10/14   China launches manned flight!
        \_ don't be so proud.  Key components are foreign nature, that
           include the capsule (based upon Russian's Soyou(sp?), and the
           navigation system is made by Hughs Electronics.
           \_ Soyuz (Union).
           \_ There are rumors that not all scientists working on the Apollo
              missions were born in the USA.
              \_ ...so? certainly not all scientists working on the manhattan
                 project were born in the US.
                 \_ That was sarcasm.  I don't think the fact the China
                 mission uses foreign components detracts from the achievement
                 anymore than the US using foreign-born scientists/engineers/
                 whatever in the Apollo program.
              \_ It's not rumors. The US got top V2 rocket engineers from
                 Germany after WWII. They felt German pride with all their
                 accomplishments with rockets for the US including the lunar
                 landing. There was a PBS program about this. That being said,
                 I think the Chinese were the ones that invented rockets, so it
                 has come full circle somewhat.
                 \_ The German's V2 was stolen from Goddard.
                \_ "German Pride" caused WWI and WWII.  We can do without it.
             \_ There's a difference between having foreign-born Americans
                work on something, and getting help from foreign governments.
                 landing. There was a PBS program about this.
           \_ BFD.  so, the Chinese engineering/integration had nothing
              to do with it?  It's all in the parts?  --Jon
              \_ I agree.  The Chinese deserve credit.
        \_ "It's been done."  Seriously what's the big deal?
           \_ We need another space race to advance technology and create
              jobs. A little rivalry is not a bad thing. Bring on Mars!!!
                \_ No wonder it's so short.
              \_ Hey, baby, that's not a rocket in my pocket -bclinton
        \_ Correction: China _says_ they have manned spaceflight.  They
           cancelled the live broadcast.  We'll find out later if the guy
           went up in flames on the way up or during reentry.
           \_ Learn Engrish first lah.  All op said was "launches".
              \_ We don't know it was manned.  We only know what the Chinese
                 government says, lah!  I'll grant that they probably did
                 launch a rocket because we can satellite track it.  But was
                 a real live human being inside?  Shrug.
                 \_ There comes a point in any conspiracy theory where you
                    have to ask yourself: is it more work to maintain the
                    conspiracy or to actually do what they say they've done?
                    \_ True.  Consider how trivially easy it is to hide the
                       fact that no human's in a rocket.  Without a live
                       broadcast.
                       \_ Actually, they sent up OJ Simpson.  Really. I saw
                \_ All we need is a TV clip showing that Chinese pilot talking
                   in a weightless environment.  Then either there was a
                   manned flight in orbit, or the Chinese has advanced its
                   special effect technology to create a fake weightlessness
                   footage which is still a huge achievement.
                   \_ i dont think the Chinese are faking it.  However,
                      if you want to take footage in zero g without going to
                      space it's pretty easy to do in a plane.
                      \_ Yeah, but in a Chinese plane?
              to do with it?  It's all in the parts?  --Jon
                          the movie.