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Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever knew PBS Nova February 5, 2002 Peter Tyson Posted on 02/05/2002 11:06:24 PM PST by quietolong NOVA reveals startling new evidence that Soviet spies penetrated Americas deepest secrets, including the Manhattan Project, in the 1940s. By cracking the code of Soviet diplomatic cables, the FBI was able to hunt down atom spies such as Klaus Fuchs and Julius Rosenberg. But the true master spy, a physicist named Ted Hall, got away - and his gripping story is presented for the first time by NOVA. Read Venona Intercepts By Peter Tyson In 1995, the United States National Security Agency broke a half century of silence by releasing translations of Soviet cables decrypted back in the 1940s by the Venona Project. Venona was a top-secret United States effort to gather and decrypt messages sent in the 1940s by agents of what is now called the KGB and the GRU, the Soviet military intelligence agency. The cables revealed the identities of numerous Americans who were spies for the Soviet Union, including those chronicled in NOVAs Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies. The four Venona cables presented here provide striking evidence of the covert activities of several atomic-era spies, including Klaus Fuchs, Julius Rosenberg, and Theodore Alvin Hall. Through the cables and accompanying stories, peer through the keyhole into the secret lives of these and other agents, who gave away details of the atomic bomb and other highly sensitive technologies. Watch for code words such as Enormous, which stood for the Manhattan Project, Americas atomic-bomb program Link to Nova web sight on this show TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism ; Miscellaneous KEYWORDS: Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
One of the things that it showed was how many Communists spys there were in high government posts. AND that there were over 300 spys never identified How many do we have in government NOW. Info on Senator Joseph McCarthy 1 posted on 02/05/2002 11:06:25 PM PST by quietolong Post Reply Private Reply View Replies Comment 2 Removed by Moderator To: quietolong The title says what many people have been saying for years;
Since the guilt of the Rosenbergs as defined by statute has been proven beyond any doubt what is left for their defenders? That they were morally and intellectually superior human beings and therefore not bound by the laws of a government established by slave-holding White males? Nova did manage to avoid the assertion that the information was not of value to the Soviets. They even let slip that Ethel Rosenberg importuned her sister-in-law to pressure her own brother, David Greenglass, into supplying information to the Soviets, which sort of shreds the loyal wife defense. Actually, many believe that Ethel was the instigator, pressuring her henpecked husband into becoming an agent. She was convicted of typing the information supplied by her brother, a fact that the Nova report inexplicably overlooked. They seem to claim that because the Soviets never actually named Ethel Rosenberg as an agent in any of their cable traffic or in the Moscow archives, she is not guilty of espionage. But she is identified as Julius wife she did not have a code name, he was code named LIBERAL and in context it is pretty clear that she was an active participant, and so recognized by Moscow. Essentially, the thesis is that Joe McCarthy was correct, but he had no right to be, mostly because he was the wrong sort of person. Apparently the report started out as a report on the Venona decrypts Im speculating. The Venona decrypts are interesting, the result of persistence and intellectual rigor on the part of the Americans the bad guys and procedural sloppiness and endemic laziness on the part of the Soviets the good guys in our drama. Airing Ethel Rosenbergs sons claim that his mother was murdered in cold blood by this government is unspeakably callous. He in not a disinterested party and is hardly in a position to be objective. His mothers life might have been spared if she, or her husband, had named other Soviet agents. But if she loved her son, wont she have been more concerned about assuring that he had a home to grow up in and less in the progress of international communism? The future will work itself out, without the exertions of any one of us, but our children need us uniquely to ensure their future. Sacrificing your children to some messianic ego trip is no more noble than sacrificing them to drugs or alcohol.
My father, who was a career active-duty USAF Reservist 1950-62, a retread for Korea, told me about some of that stuff back in the 1950s. It was common knowledge in the Air Force that Hopkins and Harry Dexter White had been solid red, and that theyd sent nuclear materials over the pole to the USSR in the 40s, but nobody could do anything about it. Some USAAF officer whod tried to stop a shipment up in Montana or Idaho or someplace had had a can tied to his ass by Hopkins personally, the story went. There was never any doubt in my dads mind that McCarthy had been right, but that The Club had hated his guts and ridden him down because hed tried to crash the party uninvited. Not that they had anything against drunks , but that didnt stop them from telling everyone else about it. This knowledge weighed on my dads and other peoples minds a lot in the 50s and contributed greatly to the atmosphere of pessimism and worry that dominated the era.
LG 33 posted on 02/14/2002 3:59:34 PM PST by lentulusgracchus Post Reply Private Reply To 29 View Replies To: Lonesome in Massachussets Your post is just priceless - send it to PBS! All you did was just nail every single argument, and expose to the world what PBS tried to conceal - the moral barrenness of the ideological Left. And remember, boys and girls - the German Nazis were a Left party, too, and dont ever let anyone tell you differently! And FWIW, I used PBSs public-feedback link to send them a stiffly worded note about, okay, if McCarthy was right - what about it, guys?
At least the plagiarism accusations have shut Doris Kearns Goodwin up. Dont know whether youve listened to her, but she absolutely worshipped the ground FDR walked on when she was a kid, and despite her training as a historian, shes never apparently revisited her prejudices and illusions. Maybe being married to Camelot insider Dick Goodwin has had something to do with that. Id trust her to tell me about Millard Fillmore, but the 20th century? She sees the world through a rose-colored pair of Rooseveltian pince-nez . Revising American history to account for the illegitimate Communist and leftist influences on American society and government, and measure their damage to our history, is going to be the major historiographical restoration job of the 21st century. Then, there will be the inevitable discussion: after weve reviewed all the damage, all the lies, deception, bad faith, and outright treason, well have to tackle the question of what have we learned from all this, and what do we have to do to prevent its recurrence? The really hard part is going to be the recovery and maintenance of individual freedom and the rights and influence of our ancestors that we enjoyed in the Jacksonian Era. We will need to eliminate or domesticate the self-interested, destructive influence of economic combinations like the Millocracy and of hostile, alien ideologies like Communism, Fabian socialism, and their underground agents.
For example, only after a British underseas film crew exploring the SS Lusitania in the 1970s published the photographs of war materiels did the original shipping manifests magically appear from the US Archives. For almost eight 8 decades, Americans were told that the Wilson Administration would never put innocents in Harms Way - over a thousand people died.
It was common knowledge in the Air Force that Hopkins and Harry Dexter White had been solid red, It was even common knowledge that Eleanor Roosevelt was a dedicated communist,but nobody really cared. She even went so far as to have several communists being investigated by Congress stay at the White House after they were supoened to testify before the House Un-Ameri...
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