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2003/10/5-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:10481 Activity:high
10/5    Is there any side by side comparison of Clark vs. Dean out there?
        \_ Clark is going to be on cspan on monday night.
        \_ Not sure but I don't get why Dean is "unelectable" when he is
           actually more conservative than Clark...
           \_ Because he's an ultra leftist who will lose all the moderates
              and others who love this country.
              \_ Ultra leftist?  You're either joking, incredibly stupid, or
                 a troll.  Given the "love this country" I'm betting you're
                 a troll.
                   \_ I thought by definition all libs (commies) WERE
                      trolls.
                   \_ Dean?  Jesus Christ, man, have you *read* his manifesto?
                      The guy makes Stalin and Mao look moderate.  I'm not a
                      troll.  I'm more educated and well read than you are.
                      That makes you the ignorant one.  Go read and then come
                      back here without that faulty troll detector firing off
                      left and right.
                      \_ Project Vote Smart will have the answers in a while:
                         http://csua.org/u/4me
                 \_ It's a valid point. (tm)
                 \_ Don't you know? Bill Clinton is a liberal, Hillary Clinton
                    is a ultra-leftist and anyone to the left of her is an
                    American hating socialist or a Communist. Just ask
                    Ann Coulter.
                    \_ You trying to say Hillary isn't an ultra leftist?
           \_ Dean is unelectable because his knowledge of football is weak.
        \_ http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/17/clark
           \_ this article has nothing about policy. It's a history of the
              dem campaign so far, and a little bio of Clark. It doesn't
              compare the two at all. -nivra
        \_ http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/17/clark
              compare the two at all. -nivra
              \_ But it 's from salon, a quality source of unbiased info!
        \_ my question is, what is so special about Clark?  Dean at least
           has *SOME* sort of political record, while Clark, beside being
           a 4-star general, offers nothing on the table for us to look at.
           \_ How many Rhodes scholars from Arkansas have run against a Bush
              and lost?
              \_ Heh, send up the guy who almost started WW3.  He isn't even
                 a registered Dem and you're drooling over him.  Anything to
                 win power, eh?
                 \_ More like anything to get that jackass Bush out of office.
                    \_ Oh my, we never learn, do we?  Always trying to choose
                       the lesser evil?  Why not vote for someone good?
              and lost?
                 a registered Dem and you're drooling over him.  Anything to
                 win power, eh?
                       \_ the paradox: he would be President thereby
                          disqualifies himself as a worthy candidate. we
                          need a Cincinnatus.
           \_ What makes one special? I think a 4 star general is something
              special. Comparisons to Ike don't add up, but there's a lot to
              say about someone who has a lot of experience in foreign affairs
              He referred to the Philadelphia "Jets".
        \_ http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/17/clark
              (he was also nato supreme commander).
              (he was also nato supreme commander).
              \_ How many wars did NATO fight?  And his record as NSC wasn't
                 so hot.  Jimmy Carter was President of the United States of
                 America and that alone wasn't cause enough to elect him to
                 the role in 1980.  He had more experience, therefore he
                 should have been elected, yes?  Same thing in 1992 with Bush.
        \_ Well...it's Florida...how about Mississippi?  It's almost as
           close.  Or Alabama.
           \_ "We'll try to stay cool and calm
               when Alabama gets the bomb!"
        \_ "Israel must not feel constrained in terms of defending the
           homeland."  -GWB There Bush formally said it. Israel has a green
           light to do whatever it feels like and not feel bound by
           the Geneva Convention, International Law, or any other
           pesky constraints. Watch them nuke Damascus next.
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Howard Dean has spent the summer establishing himself as the unlikely Democratic front-runner, rallying the troops and raising enough money to hold off candidates once thought more formidable. Wesley Clark into the race Wednesday, Dean may encounter his toughest competition thus far in the race for president. As Dean has surged, high-ranking Democratic insiders have sometimes openly questioned whether Dean would flame out before the finish line, whether he had the experience and the broad political draw to beat well-financed incumbent George W. Dean has fired hopes at the grassroots and attracted favorable media attention, and Bush today is more vulnerable than hes been since before the Sept. But Bush is well-funded and is likely to run a withering campaign, and skeptics doubt that an anti-war New England governor with no foreign policy experience will have what it takes to endure that. In Clark, they see someone with Deans positives - hes a straight-talking outsider whos been critical of Bushs handling of the war - but who has Southern roots and strong credential in foreign diplomacy and national security. There are non-trivial number of people in the party who say, Holy shit, how do you stop Dean? Hes raised over $10 million in this quarter, and hell probably hit the $15 million mark.