10/3    I'm thinking of voting for McClintock now.  Can you give a somewhat
        moderate republican reasons not to?  Go wild, I'll decide what I agree
        with and what I don't.
        \_ I'm not a conservative, but it seems to me that this is analogous
           to the quandry facing a liberal in the 2000 presidential election.
           you could vote for the guy who stands for something but has
           no chance of winning(nader/mclintock) or the guy who might actually
           win(gore/arnold).  I can think of no other reason for anyone
           with half a brain to vote for Arnold.  I *strongly* urge people
           to download the debate from http://www.cspan.org if you missed it
           and watch the whole thing.  if you look at how arnold talks about
           issues and conducts himself with other people, this is not
           someohone who is going to be able to get anythying done
           in a state where the legislature is fighting him.
           \_ Yep.  Californians were stupid to re-elect Davis and are stupid
              again to elect Arnold.  Vote for the one with most experience!
              \_ Experience alone is not the best way to go.  Here's my
                 obGodwin's comment: by 1944 Hitler had a lot of experience
                 but I wouldn't suggest voting for him.
                 \_ Why not? He had charisma and principles, and promised to
                    fix the injustices of World War I! Damn polish corridor.
                    \_ True, it was mostly just the Jews, gypsies, queers and
                       other undesirables he was gassing, so hey, ya know,
                       everyones got to hate someone!
        \_ Look, Arnold has a lot of independents and moderates, they are not
           going to vote for a guy who is pro-life, even if the Gov. has no say
           say in the matter.
        \_ Cruz
        \_ McClintock may seem like the smartest individual running in the
           California Gubernatorial race, and may be straightforward and
           honest, but one quick look at his standings on social issues should
           scare away any moderate, be it Republican or no.
           \_ he's smart, and he's principled on social issues.  He's great.
        \_ McClintock is the only canidate I've seen with an actual plan for
           the budget.  Serious about spending cuts and such.  Has real
           numbers and percentages about what should go to what.  Arnold
           always seemed kinda sketchy on the subject, nevermind about
           Bustemonte.
           \_ I can tell that you're well informed, what with the spelling
              of Bustamante that you've invented here.
              \_ spelling flames always put em in their place!  sick em!
                 \_ you misspelled "seck um".
                    \_ no, I correctly spelled "sick em".  thanks!
                        \_ Not if you meant, "sic 'em!"
                           \_ I said what I meant.  You understood.  Now go
                              stick your head in a pig, you vermin.
           \_  Well, it comes down to this.  I hate Davis.  I believe that
               Cruz is actually worse than Davis, I was going to vote for
               Arnie, but now I don't think I can go against my standing
               on what Bill Clinton did and Arnold also did (granted Arnold
               admitted it, didn't lie about it, and didn't commit purgery
               while holding office, but he was still wrong and I'm not sure
               I want to allow his mindset not to hurt him).  I am pro-choice
               but I think McClintock is all I have left (or georgie).  -op
               \_ "Purgery"? Are you accusing Clinton of bulimia?
                  \_ and Einstein was in the lower 30th percentile in spelling
                     as well.
                     \_ While that may be factually correct, it's contextually
                        irrelevant.  Nice try.
                        \_ Weird.  That was exactly the right context.  I don't
                           think context means what you think it means.
                           \_ Don't be stupid.
                              \_ Sigh.  Why bother posting non-comments like
                                 this?  If you've got nothing to add, just
                                 don't.  The motd already has enough noise.
                                 \_ Right, and your post helped that SO much.
                  \_ You are brilliant!  Two spelling flames in one thread
                     while holding back anything intelligent in reply!  That
                     is a master stroke of debate strategy!
        \_ Here's how I see it. I don't think it's good to have Arnie become
           governor. I'm opposed in principle to this recall election. I don't
           particularly care about Davis one way or the other. I think  a vote
           for McClintock is a throwaway vote. I hate Bustamante; wtf is  he
           particularly care about Davis one way or the other. I think
           a vote for McClintock is a throwaway vote. I hate Bustamante; wtf is
           he even in the election for? Wtf is a "backup"? Is he or is he not a
           even in the election for? Wtf is a "backup"? Is he or is he not a
           Democrat, if he is why is he running against Davis? Slimeball. Then
           there's all the other candidates which are also throwaways. It's
           either Davis, Arnie, or Busty, which is why I'm still voting no on
           recall and yes on Arnie. I'd prefer McClintock over Arnie but I feel
           he just helps Busty. I guess I might consider Busty in spite of my
           distaste, but then, Gov. Arnie has the entertainment factor.
           \_ How can you live in this state and not care one way or the other
              about Davis?  And you're going to vote with that level of
              indifference and apathy?  What for?
              \_ ok, correction: I dislike Davis. But everything is relative.
                 The only people I might actually *like* have no chance.
                 \_ My guy isn't going to win but I'm going to vote for him
                    even if it means the so-so guy loses to the scumbag.
           \_ The only advantage I see for Arnold as Gov. (as a conservative)
              is his star power helping more R's getting elected to the
              legislature (which is where the real changes need to happen).
              He himself doesn't believe in a single conservative principle.
           \_ On Bustamante:  What were the Dems supposed to do, stick to
              their guns and field no candidate in case the recall went
              through?  This makes no statistical sense.  Offering folks
              a way to get rid of Davis _and_ keep the state liberal
              makes a ton of political sense.
              \_ Just think about it for a sec. Bustamante claims he wants ppl
                 to vote "no on recall, yes on busty". But the only way Busty
                 would get elected is if people vote yes on recall. The Dem
                 party can't have it both ways, they either support Davis or
                 not. Busty in the race just makes Gov. Arnie more likely.
                 The only reason republicans have multiple candidates is
                 McClintock's obstinacy and the fact that there was no primary
                 so there's no way to say who's the official repub. candidate.
                 \_ Thought about, and I still can't make sense of not
                    having a Dem in the running, should the recall go
                    through:  remember, there are two votes going down
                    here; on one, it's Davis vs. himself; in the other,
                    it's Arnold vs. whoever the Dems run; if the Dems run
                    no possible replacement candidate, they can't possibly
                    beat Arnie if the recall goes through, right?  Running
                    Cruz on a "No on Recall, yes on Cruz" ticket covers
                    both bets.
                    \_ It's the politcally smart thing to do.  If it was the
                       other way around and my party didn't put a candidate
                       up I'd be screaming bloody murder.  It isn't the
                       principled thing to do.
                    \_ Well it only covers the situation where the No votes
                       on recall aren't enough, but are enough to get most
                       votes for Cruz while the Yes-on-recall votes are
                       scattered amongst the field. But the problem is that
           recall and yes on Arnie. I'd prefer McClintock over Arnie but I feel
           he just helps Busty. I guess I might consider Busty in spite of my
           distaste, but then, Gov. Arnie has the entertainment factor.
                       Cruz is not a good candidate and is not going to get
                       all or I expect even most of the Dem replacement vote.
                       Instead, I expect that a sizeable group of idiots will
                       vote yes on recall and vote for Cruz.