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2003/10/3-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10453 Activity:nil
10/3    Kay's Report, minus the ranting:
        http://csua.org/u/4m3 (CIA page)
        (Many thanks to the first person who posted this.)
        \_ I'm loving Richard Boucher hyping the vial of botulinum found.
           There's probably more in a cubic foot of dirt in the backyard
           than in a single vial of bacteria.
           \_ Isn't botulism toxin the stuff Ann Coulter injects into
              her face to give it that rictus like quality?
              \_ You're thinking of the lawyer chick from OJ, then cnn, now
                 on Fox.  Greta something?  Coulter is simply hot.
           \_ Look, you can buy it on the internet:
              link:csua.org/u/4m7
              \_ I can buy anything on the internet.  yermom was cheap and
                 no shipping!
        \_ So to summarize, they were at least two years from being able
           to produce Sarin, had stopped research on nuclear weapons and
           had some sort of fragmentary dual use bioweapons research
           program. And an intent to purchase or develop some longer range
           missles than allowed by UN 1441. But no WMD, right?
           But they still might show up in the 600,000 tons of unsearched
           munitions, admittedly.
        \_ So to summarize, there's some hints of stuff but with 600,000 tons
           more shit to go through no one can be sure what's there or not and
           they need more time.  It's only a preliminary report as stated on
           the first page, not a final report.
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STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP ISG BEFORE THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEFENSE, AND THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE October 2, 2003 Thank you, Mr. I welcome this opportunity to discuss with the Committee the progress that the Iraq Survey Group has made in its initial three months of its investigation into Iraqs Weapons of Mass Destruction WMD programs. I cannot emphasize too strongly that the Interim Progress Report, which has been made available to you, is a snapshot, in the context of an on-going investigation, of where we are after our first three months of work. The report does not represent a final reckoning of Iraqs WMD programs, nor are we at the point where we are prepared to close the file on any of these programs. While solid progress - I would say even remarkable progress considering the conditions that the ISG has had to work under - has been made in this initial period of operations, much remains to be done. We are still very much in the collection and analysis mode, still seeking the information and evidence that will allow us to confidently draw comprehensive conclusions to the actual objectives, scope, and dimensions of Iraqs WMD activities at the time of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Iraqs WMD programs spanned more than two decades, involved thousands of people, billions of dollars, and were elaborately shielded by security and deception operations that continued even beyond the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom. The very scale of this program when coupled with the conditions in Iraq that have prevailed since the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom dictate the speed at which we can move to a comprehensive understanding of Iraqs WMD activities. The result was that our understanding of the status of Iraqs WMD program was always bounded by large uncertainties and had to be heavily caveated. With the regime of Saddam Husayn at an end, ISG has the opportunity for the first time of drawing together all the evidence that can still be found in Iraq - much evidence is irretrievably lost - to reach definitive conclusions concerning the true state of Iraqs WMD program. It is far too early to reach any definitive conclusions and, in some areas, we may never reach that goal. The unique nature of this opportunity, however, requires that we take great care to ensure that the conclusions we draw reflect the truth to the maximum extent possible given the conditions in post-conflict Iraq. We have not yet found stocks of weapons, but we are not yet at the point where we can say definitively either that such weapon stocks do not exist or that they existed before the war and our only task is to find where they have gone. 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