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| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10425 Activity:very high |
10/2 Let's see, in the last week we've had:
The Plame Affair
Rush gets fired from ESPN for being a racist
Rush gets exposed as a pill popper
Arnold admits being a groper and harasser of women
Kay says WMD will not be found in Iraq
Iraqis riot outside police station claiming bribes required to apply
Yay for right wing meltdown week!
\_ Neo-cons are just trying to make republicans look bad temporarily
so people will either keep Davis or put in Bustamante. That way
they can still blame the mess in California on the Democrats
when Bush runs for re-election. Just a theory. ;)
\_ You read alt.conspiracy every day too, huh?
\_ Nope, just naturally paranoid.
\_ - Claims of Rush being a racist are absurd--the comment was on the
media. The criticisms of Rush's comment have been racist.
\_ "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in
the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black
quarterback do well." -Rush Limbaugh
racism 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
prejudice 2 a (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning
formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
\_ The second part of the quote: "There is a little hope
invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the
performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The
defense carried this team." --- Anyone that knows
football knows that this is blatantly wrong. McNabb has
been incredible on the field. This is Rush showing his
bias against black QB's, and then not understanding
why everyone else was saying he was so good, and
therefore attributing the media accolades to media
racism. -nivra
\_ whether Rush is right or not on his opinion is
irrelevant. The question is whether his statements
are racist or not. Rush's statements never implied
that McNabb is bad because he is black. he was talking
about the media. In fact, Rush thinks McNabb is
good, but not as good as he is portrayed by the media
\_ His statement belies the fact that he has a lower
opinion of McNabb's worth than the media. His
attribution of this difference due to race belies
the fact that he thinks about race himself, and
believes that the media does as well. This is
racial prejudice. -nivra
\_ Wow, that's a cool way to flip everything on it's
head! Rhetoric 100 with Jameson?
\_ Rush's opinion:
McNabb = +3
Media Perception:
McNabb = +6
Rush's goal: explain the +3 difference
between reality and perception.
Rush thinks McNabb is good, but not
+6 good.
\_ That's double-plus good, brother.
\_ Ignoring the point, but nice attempt
at creating a false reply with a
witty literary reference.
\_ Agreed. The charge of racism lies in how he
chose to explain the extra +3. The fact that
his knee-jerk reaction was media "race" bias,
combined with the other factors I mentioned
below, such as his implicit support of people
who have outright expressed racism, such as
Lott (albeit when he let his guard down),
point to the fact that he is most _likely_
racist. Not definitely, just likely. -nivra
\_ If being knee-jerk about accusations of
racism makes one racist, then just look to
your left to find all the racism you can
stand.
\_ let's face it. We all have prejudices
of some sort. all of us, white, yellow,
black. I guess the Right thinks that
the Left only thinks the Right is
racist. In reality, we all have
prejudiced views one way or another.
The Left is as guilty as the Right
in these things.
\_ I can read the dictionary, moron. His comment is that the
media is making a bigger deal of the QB than they should
because of his race (that is, the press want to present a
good example of a black QB). That is a criticism that the
media is racist.
\_ Analogous statement:
"Colin Powell only got appointed because he was black."
\_ Your analogy would be better if Colin Powell was
an elected official --aaron
\_ fixed.
\_ except it's still wrong.
\_ And before Rush stuck his stupid head into this, nobody
had mentioned race at all. McNabb was judged on his
acheivements as an *individual*. Only after the dumbass
made his "commentary" was McNabb being judged as a
*representative of the black race.* *Rush* is the one
obsessed with race, not the sports media. Clearly you
are NOT a football fan or a follower of the sport.
\_ He's not saying that and you know. He was commenting
on the press making the guy into a better athlete
than he is *because the press* wants to see a black
QB doing well. Anything else is from your own head.
\_ I'm a different poster from the above. I agree
that his comments are more directed towards the
media overhyping black quarterbacks than a statement
on McNabb being not good because he is black.
\_ But the media isn't overhyping black quarterbacks.
\_ But they are.
\_ ... which is why he's racist.
\_ You have terrible logic. The media
isn't overhyping black quarterbacks.
This implies that Rush thinks that
McNabb is not as good as he really is.
This does not imply at all that he
thinks that McNabb is not good because
he's black. Rush may have thought that.
But he certainly didn't say that or even
imply it.
-not generally someone to defend Rush
\_ Mm, I think it's pretty clear that Rush
is suggesting there's some sort of
affirmative-action effect going on
for the black person.
\_ That doesn't make him racist.
I know that affirmative action
Logically, you are correct. _/exists. I know that some
You cannot conclude that minorities got into Berkeley
Rush must be a racist from because of their race. I mean
his statement. However, this is a fact. I know this
taking into account: fact. Therefore, I'm racist?
1) He was wrong about the I know. This is different
presumed media bias. because Rush was wrong about the
2) His reasoning that affirmative action, but it still
identified race as the doesn't make him racist. Maybe
most likely reason for he thinks that McNabb isn't
his assumed media that good (maybe because he's
overestimation. racist, or maybe because he doesn't
3) His history record of like the Eagles, who knows). And
conservativeness, and then he thinks that the media has
support of conservatives a bias towards blacks. He puts
who have been blatantly these 2 ideas together. That's not
racist. enough to conclude that he's racist.
One can conclude it is \_ I agree. -- not white
likely that he iss a racist \_ me too.,
or at the minimum, has \_ You go through such logical
racial prejudices. -nivra contortions to defend this idiotic
\_ are you saying that windbag, and then you wonder why
conservatives are black people think white folks
racist? are out to get them.
\_ reread, then see Lott, \_ Please see the definitions
Trent & Dixiecrats -op of racism and prejudice again.
\_ see new upcoming
thread
\_ dude, this is hard to \_
format. how do you do 2: discriminatory or abusive
it? behavior towards members of another race.
overwrite-mode _/ I don't see Rush being a racist based on
-nivra the definition of racist.
exists. I know that some
minorities got into Berkeley
because of their race. I mean
this is a fact. I know this
fact. Therefore, I'm racist?
I know. This is different
because Rush was wrong about the
\_ he's controvserial because he has
opinions that not everyone shares, only
about 25 million people listen to his
radio show every day.
affirmative action, but it still
doesn't make him racist. Maybe
he thinks that McNabb isn't
that good (maybe because he's
racist, or maybe because he doesn't
like the Eagles, who knows). And
then he thinks that the media has
a bias towards blacks. He puts
these 2 ideas together. That's not
\_ The statement is actually more clearly described as
"racially insensitive". However, some of the
secondary definitions of "racist" cover racially
insensitive remarks.
\_ "racially insensitive" is a meaningless phrase.
it means whatever a self-created victim wants it
to mean.
enough to conclude that he's racist.
\_ I agree.
\_ Thanks, so your answer is "zero, but I read what
some other guys think!"
\_ I agree. -- not white
\_ me too.
\_ You go through such logical
contortions to defend this idiotic
windbag, and then you wonder why
black people think white folks
are out to get them.
\_ Please see the definitions
of racism and prejudice again.
\_
\_ dude, this is hard to \_ Please see the definitions
format. how do you do of racism and prejudice again.
\_ What part of "independently confirmed" do you not
understand?
\_ You know what an "allegation" is? It's what the
National Enquirer reports after paying off someone's
maid.
it? \_
2: discriminatory or abusive
behavior towards members of another race.
I don't see Rush being a racist based on
the definition of racist.
\_ irrelevant whether or not it is true that
the media is overhyping black quarterbacks.
it is just an opinion. he was hired by ESPN
to be controversial and not a typical
sports commentator patsy.
\_ The reason he's "controversial" is because
he's bigoted.
\_ what about all those people and sports
writers trying to promote the
"Great White Hope"
\_ I'm a Tom voter. I still think doing a hit job a few
days before the vote is incerdibly transparent.
\_ Rush *IS* a racist. Period. He is also a homophobe.
His show is filled with hateful comments, with
hints of truth in them. A hint of truth != a pound
of objective reality.
\_ He may be a racist, but the statement he is being
criticized for was not racist.
\_ The statement is actually more clearly described as
"racially insensitive". However, some of the
secondary definitions of "racist" cover racially
insensitive remarks.
\_ Curious, how many hours have you listened to his show?
\_ http://www.fair.org/articles/limbaugh-color.html
- Rush story about pills is in the National Enquirer. Please, if
you're going to discount conservative sources, discount tabloids
too at least.
\_ Which took 7 weeks and only got printed a week
from the election? You really believe the LA
Times isn't grinding an axe and this is good
journalism??
- The Arnold story is old--it's troubling, but so is the holding back
of the story until the week before the election.
\_ Idiot. Even Fox is covering this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98871,00.html
\_ "The New York Daily News, without identifying its source,
reported Thursday that Limbaugh was being investigated by the
Palm Beach County (search) state attorney's office. The
newspaper said it had independently confirmed the
allegations, which were first reported by the supermarket
tabloid the National Enquirer."
Source is still the National Enquirer.
\_ What part of "independently confirmed" do you not
understand?
- The Arnold story is old--it's troubling, but so is the holding
back of the story until the week before the election.
\_ Tell that to all the women he humiliated and who didn't pursue
charges for fear of losing their job.
"What could you do? He was the highest-paid actor in the world.
I was a peon," [one victim] said. "The only thing you could do
is stay away from him."
\_ Wah! A week before an election I've got no sympathy. If
they were so concerned we should've heard about it 2 months
ago (or more). But that wouldn't have been politically
useful.
\_ Actually, we did hear about his behavior. Anyway Arnie
admitted it. But if you already thought Arnie is the sort
of person you want to see be the governor, I doubt this
information would change your mind. Arnie has too much
subconscious goodwill from being a movie star.
\_ It was in a UK newspaper shortly after he announced his
candidacy. The LA Times just sat on it to release it 1
week before the election.
\_ You could also say that the LA Times had spent the
last seven weeks collecting as many cases as they could,
so Arnold couldn't just dismiss it as an isolated
incident. The reporters wanted to show a lifetime
pattern of behavior. Irrespective of the political
edge to it, doesn't it change voters opinions of Arnold,
especially for the women voters?
\_ Then why was there no new information in the LA Times
story? It had the same info as the UK story.
\_ The general idea is the same, but the specific
examples are either reconfirmed through re-
interviews, or entirely new.
- In Kuwait, WMD smugglers were caught trafficking $60M of chemical
weapons OUT of Iraq.
\_ Which has about as much credibility as the Enquirer story,
so shut the hell up.
- (I haven't heard the Iraqi police story) |
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| www.fair.org/articles/limbaugh-color.html June 7, 2000 Limbaugh: A Color Man Who Has A Problem With Color? Jeff Cohen and Steve Rendall Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh may be returning to television. He recently auditioned for a job as color commentator on ABCs Monday Night Football. The tryout followed weeks of self-promotion by the self-styled truth detector to the millions who listen daily to his syndicated radio show on some 600 stations. Limbaughs audition is stirring controversy. Sports columnist Thomas Boswell quipped that if Limbaugh joins Monday Night Football then baseballs game of the week broadcasters might team up with John Rocker. Veteran sports writer Michael Wilbon, who is black, indicated a boycott might result: If Rush Limbaugh is put in that booth, I will NOT listen to the broadcast, he wrote in a Washington Post chat session. His views on people like me are well documented and I would find it insulting and hypocritical to watch himThere are tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands who feel the same way I do. If ABC hires Limbaugh, its not clear a boycott will materialize. What is clear is that his expressed views on racial matters - from the spiteful to the sophomoric - would make him an odd color commentator. Indeed, CBS Sports dismissed Jimmy the Greek Snyder for ignorant racial remarks, less derisive than some of Limbaughs. As a young broadcaster in the 1970s, Limbaugh once told a black caller: Take that bone out of your nose and call me back. A decade ago, after becoming nationally syndicated, he mused on the air: Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson? In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren get off from school to see his film Malcolm X: Spike, if youre going to do that, lets complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out. In a similar vein, here is Limbaughs mocking take on the NAACP, a group with a ninety-year commitment to nonviolence: The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies. When Carol Moseley-Braun D-IL was in the United States Senate, the first black woman ever elected to that body, Limbaugh would play the Movin On Up theme song from TVs Jeffersons when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect - substituting ax for ask- when discussing black leaders. Such quotes and antics - many compiled by Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting FAIR for our 1995 book - offer a whiff of Limbaughs racial sensibility. So does his claim that racism in America is fueled primarily by the rantings and ravings of people like Jesse Jackson. Or his ugly reference two years ago to the father of Madonnas first child, a Latino, as a gang-member type guy - an individual with no gang background. In 1994, Limbaugh mocked St. Louis for building a rail line to East St. Louis where nobody goes. East St. Louis is home to roughly 40,000 residents - 98 percent of whom are African-Americans. One of its 40,000 nobodies is star NFL linebacker Bryan Cox. Once, in response to a caller arguing that black people need to be heard, Limbaugh responded: They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares? Thats not an unusual response for a talk radio host playing to an audience of angry white males. It may not play so well among National Football League players, 70 percent of whom are African American. Compared to some talk radio hosts, racism is not central to Rush Limbaughs shtick. But there has been a pattern of commentary indicating his willingness to exploit prejudice against blacks to further his on-air arguments. ABC has the right to hire Limbaugh, even at the risk of alienating members of its audience. Monday Night Football is the second-most watched TV show in black households. Thrust into the world of pro football where Limbaugh himself would be something of a racial minority, is it possible that hed rise above his history of racial bigotry and insensitivity? Not likely. When all is said and done, the athletes are the key players on Monday Night Football. It would be great to know how theyd feel about a color man who seems to have trouble with people of color. Cohen and Rendall are staffers at the media watch group FAIR, and co-authors of The Way Things Arent: Rush Limbaughs Reign of Error The New Press, 1995. A version of this column appeared in the Los Angeles Times, 6/7/20000. FAIR Home More on Limbaugh More by Jeff Cohen. |
| www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98871,00.html Limbaugh, who quit his job as a football analyst for ESPN late Wednesday, had multiple sources from whom he could obtain the prescription drugs, namely OxyContin search and other painkillers, law enforcement sources said. Reports in the New York Daily News and the National Enquirer alleged Limbaugh got the drugs from his housekeeper, Wilma Cline search . But sources close to the investigation told Fox News that Limbaugh had other drug suppliers and said the popular conservative personality could face a criminal inquiry by the Palm Beach County search state attorneys office. Video: Rush Under Fire Clines attorney, Ed Shohat, told Fox News that my client stands behind her story. Cline has been granted immunity from prosecution in exchange for her cooperation, a source told Fox News. In a statement issued Thursday, Limbaugh said he was unaware of any investigation involving him. No government representative has contacted me directly or indirectly. If my assistance is required, I will, of course, cooperate fully, he said. The investigation apparently began as a probe into the illegal sale of prescription painkillers in South Florida that targeted dealers. But later investigators came across Limbaugh through clues gathered in a bust a Palm Beach County search in May, revealing him as a buyer. The allegations were disclosed as Limbaugh dealt with the public relations storm that erupted over his comments concerning Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb search , race and the media. Limbaugh resigned Wednesday from ESPNs Sunday NFL Countdown, the show where he made the comments. One source told Fox News that Limbaugh was implicated by Cline and her husband David, and also by other suppliers whom the source did not name. The Enquirer paid the Clines a six-figure fee for their story, according to the source. Asked about the culpability of Limbaugh, the source said that he could still face charges for having a large quantity of prescription painkillers without a prescription, but the source added that no charges are imminent. OxyContin is a pain reliever that contains a very strong narcotic similar to morphine and is only intended for moderate to severe daily pain, according to the Food and Drug Administration. Ed Shohat, a Miami lawyer for the Clines, said Thursday, The Clines stand by the story. |