10/1 Informal CSUA voting. Please vote only once (don't be a hozer).
Recall Davis
Yes: .................................................................
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No: ...........
\_ I like how the number of No votes changed from 5 to 9 votes
in the space of two minutes ... hoser.
\_ What about the number of yes votes? Sheesh...Besides,
saying "don't be a hoser" on the motd is like asking
people to spare the air by not breathing for a few days.
\_ The No votes showed the ballot stuffing first. The
Yes votes only appeared after I pointed this out.
I feel like a moron.
\_ trust your feelings.
\_ Yo, it's a motd poll. Whatever. That's to both of you.
Bustmante: .......
Camejo: .
Schwarzenegger: ......
Tom: ...
georgy@soda: ...
!psb: ..
\_ does the fact that Arnie is an idiot, knows nothing of government,
and refuses to give any specifics of what he will do not bother you?
\_ your opinion doesn't bother me at all but I'm voting for TM
because his views most closely match my own on topics important
to me that the governor has some control over. I hope that
properly answered your loaded & rhetorical question.
\_ well if you're voting for TM I wasn't talking to you.
\_ you weren't talking to anyone. it was rhetorical.
\_ According to the L.A. Times poll, everyone knows he has
considerably less experience than the mainstream candidates,
but he ranks at the top in leadership. I think of Arnie as
someone who wasn't in the club when he got to America, but
leveraged his musclebuilding into acting, then into small
community contributions, running businesses, and then ending
up governor of California. I think people approve of this.
Implicitly, they do not consider him an idiot. As for not
giving specifics, people are motivated primarily by "kick
the bums out" and avoiding "business as usual". They are
satisfied as well when he says it will be "Governor Arnold,
not Governor Wilson". By the way, someone is overwriting
posts like mad (not just mine).
\_ Ok. Well, I'll actually vote No on recall and Yes on Arnie.
Just because I hate Bustamante.
\_ Just curious, why do you hate him? Because he's Mexican?
\_ Why do you automatically assume race is an issue?
\_ Bustamante is a twink. He also has zero charisma.
\_ Bustamente seems more oily than Davis. As much as
Davis has dissed him, he seemed to salivate over the
revenge aspect of running against Davis and leading
in the polls, more than wanting to save CA.
\_ Wowwee, now that's what I call an informed opinion.
\_ Well, if you want something more hard, he's
a part of the Democratic establishment that
increased spending to a level where we're in
the hole that we are now. They shouldn't be
rewarded by replacing one Democrat for another.
In any case, do you disagree with my earlier
characterization? Doesn't it just SEEM right?
\_ I firmly disagree. Its fairly obvious that
your prejudice against anything Democratic
is clouding your judgement. You need to
relax.
\_ actually, I am a Democrat. They just
overspent by way too much. Bustamante
and Davis should not be representing this
party, and those politicians may have
gotten too full of themselves, what
with the "conservative" stupidity going
on in the rest of the country.
\_ I think our idiotic initiative system,
the special interests that have ruined it,
and the stupid California voters that
passed the budget restrictions that
lock up 2/3rds in the money in this
state are the real villians. Not to
mention Enron and the other energy
companies that screwed us. I don't know
why I bring this up though, because it
gets deleted every time I do.
\_ Wah! I write to a dynamic file that
hundreds have access to and my posts
are so brilliant it must be that i'm
being silenced! its a VRWC i tell ya!
\_ It still doesn't change the fact
that Davis brought up the deficit
after he got elected, and attacked
Riordan so he could face Simon.
He's a coward.
\_ I love this complaint. It's as if
no one had the opportunity to say
"We're in trouble on the budget"
other than Davis. Was he doing the
numbers in his closet?
\_ And how is replacing him with
someone with zero political
experience and a cabal of
Pete Wilson advisors going
to solve our problems?
\_ It sends a message, one.
Two, Arnie's governance would
be one of delegating
responsibilities. It really
doesn't work in Dubya's
administration, but I think
it might work better on the
state level. He's a different
person than Ventura, very
charismatic, and it might just
work.
\_ right, Ventura's politics
were/are way better.
\_ I can't see what facts you
are basing number 1 or number
2 on, so I guess I'll just
have to think that you're
going on some sort of faith
in Arnold's powers. Fair
enough. I for one am
concerned about a government
of ex-Wilson cronies, as
Wilson was a terrible
governor. I also think
Arnold's effectiveness is
going to be questionable
given a firmly Democratic
legislature and voting public,
not to mention the strangeness
of the budget process given
that 2/3rd voting requirement
and all the spending mandates.
I also think he's going to
be subject to a recall of his
own, and I'm very afraid
given the state of California
politics that we will soon
be subjected to an endless
series of tit for tat recalls.
_/
It's not that I think Arnold will do a better
job, but he hasn't demonstrated the cowardice
that Davis has (see earlier post). Arnold
has the promise of doing an adequate job.
You're all about, "Who's likely to do the
best job?" which is entirely valid. I'm
all about, "Davis showed he was a coward,
boot him. I don't want my vote indicating
I condone his practices" which to me,
trumps that.
\_ I wouldn't call it cowardice. Just plain
brutal cynicism. Davis is a bastard.
\_ Fair enough, thanks for the reasonable
debate (on the motd no less!). I guess
we'll just have to see how it all turns out,
as Governor Arnold looks sort of
inevitable at this point. For me, this
is yet another reason to consider moving
out of Cali (*sniff* *sniff*).
\_ Arnold has demonstrated even more cowardice!
He refused to debate Davis or the other
candidates except that one scripted thing.
He also refuses to say anything specific,
for fear of criticism.
\_ But you see, the Democrats have already
had their chance. Arnold just had to
show in the first debate that he
wouldn't go psycho, and he didn't. That
means I'm going to vote for him.
I certainly don't blame your logic, since
the L.A. Times uses it.
\_ this is the thread that doesn't end
it just goes on and on my friend
some people started trolling it
not knowing what it was
and they just kept on trolling it
forever just because
this is the thread that never
ends, it just goes on and on my
friend.
\_ I don't feel like writing an essay about the man.
Suffice it to say, I disagree with his plans, I feel
that he doesn't represent my interests, and I have a
personal distaste for him based on what I've seen of
what he says and how he operates. The "oily" description
sums it up as much as anything.
\_ I predict that Arnold will win and the first thing he will have
to do is raise taxes, pissing off the Republicans to no end. -ausman
\_ Shrug. I predict you're wrong. (heh) |
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