9/26 Neocon "Prince of Darkness" Richard Perle creamed in open
debate with local gal:
http://www.dailykos.com/archives/004301.html#004301
\_ Creamed? Ok, nice way for the URL to cut off his reaponse which
unfairly takes the whole thing completely out of context,
makes unfairly takes the whole thing completely out of context,
but "fair and balanced" wasn't what you were going for so I applaud
your clever editing hatchet job.
\_ and how is an idle threat creaming someone? anyone
american not a soldier walking around Iraq is an idiot IMHO
\_ Way to miss the fucking point.
\_ or possibly they give a damn and are doing something about
the BS coming out of the White House.
\_ idle threat? wtf are you talking about.
\_ Let me ask you, just how long it took the Marshall plan
to work? Or the rebuilding of Japan? Only those who have no
grasp of history think things are "going badly". It's not
just the WH that in most parts of the new Iraq they are
well received. Read the blogs from soldiers in south/north
Iraq. It is just sad all you impatient dolts think every is
about money (shocker!) so therefore it must be bad. Ex-
Clintonites have equally used their connections to benefit
themselves.
\_ Take a deep breath, sit back, and re-write this when
you're calm and more likely to make sense.
\_ ad hominem. Troll score: 7.65 points, 5.0 required.
\_ non sequitur. Troll score: 4.9 points, no cookie.
\_ ad hominem. Troll score: 7.65 points, 5.0 required.
\_ non sequitur. Troll score: 4.9 points, no cookie.
\_ dictionary alert! Troll score: 6.2, 5.0 required.
\_ In both examples you cite we were NOT trying to rebuild
after a war which we started preemptively under false
pretenses and false secondary pretenses.
\_ who started what has exactly nothing to do with how
long it will or should take to rebuild a post-war
country. also the japanese and some germans might
disagree about the causes of WWII and who started what
with what economic acts of war. get a history book and
take rhetoric 1a.
\_ might makes right. actually plenty of contracts were
given out in Bosnia and Kosovo. i supported that act
even if it was purely "humanitarian"
\_ I supported those too, but not Iraq. What's your
point?
\_ So did I. What's *your* point?
\_ The Iraqi bloggers I have read seem to think otherwise.
Check out salam_pax. I have a friend who got back
recently after a three month assignment as a reporter
and he says that 400 people a month are being murdered
in greater Baghdad and that things are not really going
"well."
\_ Of course _your_ bloggers write what you like to read.
If they wrote how well and peachy everything was you'd
stop reading because obviously they're just agents of
the eveil BushCo and should be DDOS'd off the net.
\_ I think you missed the point, perhaps deliberately.
Can you point to any Iraqis who think things are
going well? Sure, the soldiers think things are great.
If you had ever served, you would know why that is
not surprising, or worth much.
\_ Who cares what the average Iraqi thinks? How many
average Iraqis have blogs anyway? Where did your
Iraqi bloggers get the experience as to exactly
how long it should take to rebuild a country?
Their country was never really built up that much
in the first place. Most of the south never has
had potable water and you're going by what some
the eveil BushCo and should be DDOS'd off the net.
If you had ever served, you would know why that is
not surprising, or worth much.
internet using elite have to say? What's wrong?
The Iraqi net backbone is too slow? Can't play
netrek without getting dooshed?
\_ Bile: it's what's for breakfast.
\_ BushCo serves bile to the Iraqi people! I
read it on a blog kept by an average Iraqi
citizen!
\_ Bad examples. The Marshall Plan took place two years after
WWII when Europe was "pacified" and used American money to
help European business rebuild Europe. Japan was also
"pacified" but united as a people and even under those
conditions, took many years of American funding to help
the Japanese to rebuild Japan. Iraq is not pacified, is
not united, and American money supports American companies
rebuilding Iraq, not Iraqi. Try again.
\_ Duh, it took 2 years to 'pacify' those regions? well,
wait 2 year in Iraq then come back and whine if it
isn't going well. What did Europe and Japan do during
the two year we didn't help? If we did nothing but
'pacify' Iraq for 2 years you'd be screaming that we're
not doing enough. You'd be unhappy no matter what
because you're an idealogue and blindly hate the admin.
\_ Unlike post-war Japan and Germany, there are plenty
of Iraqis who were happy to see the former regime go.
There's no need to wait 2 years to "pacify" Iraq.
Hand over control of Iraq to the Iraqis we supposedly
invaded to free. Otherwise, we just swapped the
Bathist regime for the Haliburton regime. No points
for good intentions, folks.
not doing enough. You'd be unhappy no matter what
because you're an idealogue and blindly hate the admin.
invaded to free. Otherwise, we just swapped the
Bathist regime for the Haliburton regime. No points
for good intentions, folks.
\_ There are plenty of prior government Iraqis who
have a lot invested in the way it used to be and
need to be found and imprisoned or executed. If
we left now you'd be the first one screaming on
the motd how we abandoned the average net using
blogging Iraqi to Afghanistan style chaos and how
it's terrible how slow their net has become after
the eveil Amerikkkans left! boo hoo. It's going
to take time, more deaths, and more money. If it
was easy to do, Clinton would've done it.
\_ And if Bush started making Muslims wear little
crescent badges and detained them in
"relocation camps," you'd still be up here on
the motd trying to defend him.
\_ Nice try but you completely avoided all my
points. Since you're the first to scream
"NAZI!" I win, right?
\_ Nah, I just alluded to nazis. You
invoked them. You win, but it's a
phyrric victory.
\_ wait, so we're in Iraq to imprison and execute
collaborators? the pres. says we're there to
rebuild Iraq and hand over power to the Iraqis.
so which are we: liberators or vigilantes? |
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