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9/22 Get those bags packed, George.
http://csua.org/u/4fu
\_ Hide those skeletons, Wes!
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/printrn20030922.shtml
\_ if this is the best the Bush and his minions can dig up,
he's in serious trouble
\_ Why? Do you really think that the peace love dope lefties
in the democratic party will vote for a solider?
\_ When did this rumor become "fact" that the dems hate the
military? oh, and by the way, check service records before
you say anything else this stupid. --scotsman
\_ Service records? They got drafted or felt the need to
signup since they had political ambitions. Fact? This
isn't a provable concept but common sense would say
that a pacifist wouldn't vote for a soldier.
\_ How many dems are "peace love dope lefties"? Most
of the "peace love dope lefties" vote Green. Get
over yourself, you knee-jerk rightist hawk bozo.
military? --scotsman
\_ Do tell, oh Great Wise One and Knower of All History!
\_ you know the massacre they are talking about happened 11 months
AFTER Clark met with him.
\_ How dare you bring facts into this!
\_ Shut up! Cut his mic!
\_ you might be a rocket scientist but you're no genius if you
can't see something wrong with Clark's actions vis a vis
Mladic. Also, his CNN record is public as well as the rest
of the stuff here. The man is a crackpot and very dangerous.
I'd no more vote for Clark than I've vote for a whacko like
McArthur (who wanted to nuke mainland China). Go ahead, vote
for him. Whatever. You deserve what you vote for.
\_ Good, you've bought into the right-wing spin.
\_ If polls this early meant anything, we'd have had President Dole
from '96 to '00 and maybe right now. It's a big yawner.
\_ -- ilyas
\_ It pains me that our youth have forgotten their history. |
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| csua.org/u/4fu -> www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/09/22/national1601EDT0669.DTL Bush held a slight lead over Dean, 49-45 percent, and had a similar advantage over Gephardt. Separately, Clark led all Democratic candidates in the survey released Monday that showed Bush far more vulnerable. The presidents job approval was 50 percent, with 47 percent disapproving. The public gave Bush high marks for having the personality and leadership qualities of a chief executive. But just over half, 51 percent, said they disagreed with the president on issues that matter most to them, while 46 percent agree. Republican pollster Bill McInturff cautioned against making too much of Clarks early strength in a national poll taken so close to his well-publicized entry into the presidential race. There are plenty of examples where you get this enormous bounce and it usually settles quickly, said McInturff, citing Republican Sen. John McCains showing in a South Carolina poll taken after his victory in the 2000 New Hampshire primary in 2000. Public opinion is extremely unpredictable early in the election cycle as voters have not focused on the race, according to McInturff, who noted that Republican Bob Dole was running ahead of President Clinton the year before the election. Still, Clarks strong showing in early polls - a Newsweek survey this past weekend showed Clark grouped among the leaders in the Democratic field and not far behind Bush in a head-to-head matchup - will impress Democratic donors, said Dane Strother, a Democratic strategist not aligned with any of the campaigns. If youre number one in the polls, I dont care when it happens, said Strother, who pointed out that Democratic activists also will be closely watching Clark, and you only get one chance to make a good first impression. The battle for the party nomination will be fought state by state, and Clarks strength in early-voting states such as Iowa and New Hampshire will be crucial. National polls tend to reflect name recognition and arent the most accurate indicator of a candidates viability. Among voters who are Democratic or lean Democratic, Clark led all Democratic candidates with 22 percent, Dean had 13 percent, Kerry and Gephardt 11 percent and Lieberman 10 percent. The poll of 1,003 adults, including 877 registered voters, had a margin of error of plus of minus 3 percentage points, 4 points for registered voters. |
| www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/printrn20030922.shtml The meeting took place against the State Departments wishes and may have contributed to Clarks failure to be promoted until political pressure intervened. The shocking photo of Mladic and Clark wearing each others military caps was distributed throughout Europe. Last week on CNNs Crossfire, I asked one of Clarks new supporters - Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, might want to dig more deeply into the generals turbulent military career before getting too deeply committed. For Emanuel, Rangel and other well-connected Democrats, Wes Clark seems a dream come true. He is walking the liberal line on taxes, abortion, racial quotas and Iraq. Even before formally announcing last week, Clark had 10 percent in Gallups first national listing of him among presidential candidates and was just 6 percentage points behind the front-runner. Clark comes over on television as a square-jawed straight-shooter, not the stormy petrel that the Army knew during 34 years active duty - including his conduct in the Banja Luka incident. US diplomats warned Clark not to go to Bosnian Serb military headquarters to meet Mladic, considered by United States intelligence as the mastermind of the Srebrenica massacre of Muslim civilians and still at large, sought by NATO peacekeeping forces. Besides the exchange of hats, they drank wine together, and Mladic gave Clark a bottle of brandy and a pistol. This was what United States Ambassador Richard Holbrookes team seeking peace in Yugoslavia tried to avoid by instituting the Clark Rule: whenever the general is found talking alone to a Serb, Croat or Muslim, make sure an American civilian official rushes to his side. After Clarks meeting with Mladic, the State Department cabled embassies throughout Europe that there was no change in policy toward the Bosnian Serbs. The incident cost Victor Jackovich his job as United States ambassador to Bosnia, even though he protested Clarks course. The upshot came months later, when Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic, in bitter negotiations with Holbrooke, handed Clark back his Army hat. After such behavior, Clark was never on the promotion list to full general until he appealed to Defense Secretary William Perry and Gen. He got his fourth star and became commander in chief of the Southern Command. His last post, as NATO supreme commander, found this infantry officer leading an air war against the Serbs over Kosovo. Clark argued with NATO colleagues by insisting on a ground troops option and complaining about the slowly graduated bombing campaign. Secretary of State Colin Powell was furious that a fellow four-star general in his CNN commentary would criticize United States strategy in Iraq, without much information and with the war barely underway. Clark attributed one comment to a Middle East think tank in Canada, although there appears to be no such organization. After claiming that the White House pressured CNN to fire him, Clark later said, Ive only heard rumors about it. Nevertheless, liberals who gathered Thursday night at the Manhattan home of historian Arthur Schlesinger agreed that a general is just the right kind of candidate to oppose President Bush and that they never had seen any general so liberal as Wes Clark. They chose to ignore past performance, which may be cause for regret. |