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2003/9/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/President, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10268 Activity:nil
9/20    These Are Historic Times - Is it to be Lincoln or Sisyphus?
        http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson091903.asp
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www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson091903.asp
The spectacular victories of the past year at Gettysburg and Vicksburg were mostly forgotten in the manner that we no longer talk much about the amazing campaign in Afghanistan or the historic three-week drive on Baghdad. If we think the present snipings and car bombings in Iraq are disheartening, imagine a spring and summer of discontent after Wilderness, Spotsylvania, and Cold Harbor. Add the gloom of the stalemate at Petersburg and the very capital in danger from the raiding of Jubal Early. By the dog days of August, Grant was no longer the hero of Forts Henry and Donelson or Vicksburg, but had become the butcher whose purported obstinacy and brutality had nearly ruined the Army of the Potomac going through men and capital at an unsustainable rate. We had not bargained for this was the general feeling among the ranks as the daily fatalities mounted. If the news from the battlefield was not depressing enough, Lincoln wrestled with recalcitrant border states, draft rioting, simmering resentment against emancipation, budget shortfalls and, of course, an upcoming election replete with an array of often really vicious opponents. Copperheads turned to the diminutive, dapper, and glib failed general, George McClellan, who was willing to throw in the towel and accept a brokered stalemate. Lincoln, who had done so much to prevent war, was castigated as a warmonger with the blood of thousands of his hands. And this was in his fourth, not his first, summer of bloody fighting. Few in the heat of summer 1864 saw that the war had, in fact, been fought rather brilliantly and the tide had already almost imperceptibly shifted for good. Uncle Billy Sherman was grinding his way to Atlanta and aiming at larger things still. And in little more than two months Lincoln was reelected with 55 percent of the vote. We are near the end of such a pivotal summer ourselves, the type that defines not just a presidency, but an entire nation for generations to come. After the spectacular victories in Afghanistan and Iraq, public ardor for the conflict is temporarily cooling. Because of the past recession, the effects of 9/11, the tax cuts, and the cost of the war, we are running up billions in projected annual budget deficits. Our own McClellans and contemporary Copperheads deride the president as a miserable failure cheek by jowl with major newspapers. Few stop to appreciate that 50 million are now liberated with the first chance of real democracy in the history of the Middle East. We almost take for granted that the Taliban and Saddam Hussein are gone and that 90 percent of Iraq is functioning under local democratic councils in an irreversible process that is taking on a culture and logic of its own. 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Frmont on his right nor did he listen to gabby George McClellan or consider the Copperheads anything other than defeatists whose ...