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| 2003/9/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10199 Activity:low |
9/14 Federal appeals court delays recall!
All I can say is: HAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!
\_ Cool, all I can say is, 6 more months of incompetent non-leadership
from the lame duck governor who is going to continue his standard
pandering and mass sell out of the general population in an effort
to buy more illegal alien votes. Whoop-di-doo. So glad to live
in CA. If you weren't a student, you'd care more.
\_ "Illegal alien votes"? Troll.
\_ Drivers license for illegals + motor voter law =
Illegal alien votes
\_ Bzzt. You really do suck up everything you hear on the
radio, doncha?
\_ Nice comeback. Wouldn't want to actually address the
issue.
\_ If it were an issue. Verification of voter
registration is an entirely separate process.
You brought up the point. The burden of proof
is on you.
\_ Wow, pot kettle black eh? Troll.
\_ No pots and kettles. He refused to address the
issue. Getting nailed on it doesn't make the
hammer into a troll.
\_ You put forward a baseless claim. As I said,
the burden of proof is on you.
\_ It isn't baseless. Anyone who can get a
driver's license which will soon be every
illegal gets paperwork for voting. There's
no other checking, genius. Illegals driving
\_ Prove this. This is what your entire rant
is based on.
== illegals voting. 2+2 still = 4 outside
your little ivory towers.
\_ Just because someone can break the law
does not mean that they will. Not
everyone has the criminal/Republican
mentality. Illegals tend to be more
afraid of law enforcement that most,
so I bet very very few will engage
in illegal voting. I think you are worried
about something that will not happen,
but let's keep an eye on it and see.
If it becomes a problem, then we can
do something about it.
\_ illegal alien votes => those with relatives/sympathy for
illegal aliens => the Hispanic vote
\_ If you really believe this, then explain why the hispanic
vote is so influential, yet prop 184 passed.
\_ Surely you mean Prop 187, right?
\_ there are more white people
"The Times's exit poll that year found that 23 percent
of Latino voters supported Proposition 187 and
77 percent opposed it." http://csua.org/u/4bs
\_ Do you really think the recall would have passed?
\_ Absolutely. Hard core support to recall, soft support to
not recall. It's a done deal if the election is in Oct.
\_ I'm not a student. Ah-nold would have just made things worse:
O'REILLY: Yes, I know, but do you have any ideas that you can
offer the other governors or the president of the United States?
All of them seem to be confused about the issue. Do you have
any ideas on how you can control the borders?
SCHWARZENEGGER: I think we just have to-I think we just have to
bring leadership there and really make sure that the-explain
the case, that how bad it is for the state and how bad it is
for the country to do that-We have to work on those kind of
issues together, the border states.
\_ It's not his fault, his scriptwriter didn't anticipate the
question.
\_ You're avoiding the issue. The issue is Davis is an
incompetent and criminal boob. Thus he needs to go. Arnold
giving a politician's answer to a question doesn't make me
want that Davis scumbag in office any more. It has nothing
to do with it.
\_ What makes him criminal?
\_ Selling his signature for campaign cash quid pro quo?
Isn't that enough? Have you been out of CA for the last
few years?
\_ It's the 9th circuit. They might as well not exist. Off to the
supreme court we go. And since when does a federal court get
involved in a state election.
\_ Are memories that short?
\_ *cough*Florida*cough*
\_ Is your chad hanging?
\_ That was an election for a FEDERAL office. You know, President
of the United States?
\_ No facts! Do not bring facts into this! Everyone knows
the SC conspired with the right wing to steal the election!
Even though by every measure and later re-re-re-re-count
Bush still won! No facts!
\_ Wow, I have to call troll. Your "not exist" comment is
laughable in the face of the actual 9th circuit statistics.
\_ You mean the 70-80% overturn rate?
\_ Thanks for deleting my question rather than answering it.
Got any evidence to back up this statement?
\_ I'm "involved" in the legal profession but not a lawyer.
The 9th Circuit is known for being a bunch of fuck nuts
within the profession and lawyers don't take an adverse
9th Circuit ruling seriously. It just means both sides
make more legal fees for the appeal.
\_ The 9th are all liberal nuts.
\_ That may be, but they're OUR liberal nuts!
\_ suck my liberal nuts
\_ What was Federal statute / Consitutional issue in question?
Crickey Davis is so incompetent he can't even modernize
Californias voting systems nearly three years after
Florida - what a disgrace.
\_ The modernization of voting machines is left up to the individual
counties. It really wasn't Davis' responsibility.
\_ The state was supposed to be ready in March 2004, in time for
the next planned vote. The recall advanced that schedule by six
months. They are understandably behind. The constitutional issue
is "one person, one vote."
\_ One citizen, one vote, thanks. We're not *yet* making it so
all the illegals can easily vote. Yet.
\_ Wow, you've really convinced yourself that immigration
does you serious harm, haven't you? I feel sad for you.
\_ As always, brown people provide a convenient punching
bag, especially during electoral cycles. This is a
fundamental feature of our politics.
\_ 1) I am an immigrant. A *legal* one. 2) Legal
immigration is bad. 3) Illegal immigration is bad.
4) opening your borders so you can get near slave wage
labor is unethical, sickening, and you should go shoot
yourself for thinking it's ok to bring in slaves to do
your dirty work, asshole.
\_ Oh, we're going to get snippy, about are we? Remove also
all those convicted of a felon, officially mentally
incapable, and unregistered voters. Gods, it's folks
that you that make lawyers drool.
\_ Nothing wrong with preventing felons, the mentally
incapable and unregistered voters from voting. |
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| csua.org/u/4bs -> archives.cjr.org/year/03/1/bendixen.asp Worst of all, the respondent may simply refuse to answer any questions, therefore disappearing from the poll entirely. This can lead to underrepresentation of that minority group, and thus a misrepresentation of the groups opinions. Consider the opposite outcomes of pre-election polls among Latino voters conducted by the Los Angeles Times and La Opinion, the Spanish-language daily in Los Angeles, during the 1994 political campaign. One of the key issues was Proposition 187, supported by Governor Pete Wilson, which would have denied access to public education and social services to undocumented immigrants. The September 14, 1994, Los Angeles Times poll showed Proposition 187 winning among Latino voters by 52 percent to 42 percent. But the La Opinion pre-election poll conducted in early October indicated a different reality: only 15 percent of Latino voters supported the measure and 69 percent were opposed. After weeks of such disparity, a Times poll the week before the vote showed 65 percent of Latino voters opposed and 22 percent in favor. The Timess exit poll that year found that 23 percent of Latino voters supported Proposition 187 and 77 percent opposed it. The major methodological difference between the two polls was that La Opinion interviewed more than 50 percent of its Latino voters in Spanish, while the Times, according to Susan Pinkus, who directs the Times poll, interviewed less than 10 percent in Spanish. Proposition 187 was adopted with 59 percent of the vote, but has since been ruled largely unconstitutional. This pattern was repeated in the 1998 election with Proposition 227, which sought to end bilingual education in California. A Los Angeles Times poll in May 1998 showed that 62 percent of Latinos supported the measure, while a La Opinion poll at the same time found only 30 percent Latino support. Exit polls showed that about 37 percent of Latino voters supported 227. In 2001 and 2002, my firm conducted two polls in California not in one or two languages but in twelve languages. The results provide solid evidence that interviewing ethnic and linguistic minorities in their own language yields a depth and richness of opinion that is missing from English-only polls. One study, involving 1,000 respondents, measured the effects of the September 11 terrorist attacks on Californias ethnic and linguistic minorities. The languages in which we interviewed were Cantonese, Mandarin, Vietnamese, Tagalog, Urdu, Farsi, Dari, Arabic, Korean, Hindi, Spanish, and English. It found that the attacks had significant negative psychological, social, and financial impacts on immigrant groups. Many reported having lost their jobs or making less money, getting depressed more often, feeling insecure about their future, and experiencing heightened discrimination. Post-9/11 English-language polls didnt reflect such deep angst among the general population. For example, an August 2002 Knight Ridder poll found that only 9 percent still agreed with the statement I get depressed more often now than I did before September 11th. In contrast, 56 percent of Middle Easterners, 50 percent of Hispanics, and 45 percent of Asians agreed with the same statement in our survey. For most Anglo-Americans, financial life returned to normal shortly after the tragedy. The Knight Ridder poll found that only 19 percent of all Americans personal finances had been hurt a lot by 9/11. Conversely, 37 percent of Hispanics and 36 percent of Asians reported substantial drops in income after 9/11 in our poll. Because according to the 2000 Census, California is the first majority-minority mainland state. That is, almost 17 million of Californias 339 million residents are minorities. But California is only a precursor of sweeping demographic change that is redefining America. According to the census, the Hispanic population of North Carolina increased by 394 percent between 1990 and 2000, and Georgias by 300 percent. Reaching those disparate minority groups, divining their views, and making them feel part of the American tapestry presents profound challenges and, too often unseen, opportunities for traditional English-language media and poll-takers alike. Is it more expensive, more complex, and more time-consuming to interview in multiple languages? In my experience, multilingual polls cost at least 30 percent more than single-language polls because translators must be hired and because bilingual interviewers are more expensive. The project coordinator must also spend additional time making sure the questionnaires in different languages are compatible. But Sandy Close, director of New California Media, an organization founded in 1996 that includes more than 400 ethnic media outlets, puts it this way: I live in a state where 40 percent of the people dont speak English at home. We journalists are missing the boat by assuming that we know what public opinion is. The ancient Greeks referred to people who didnt have standing in the public forum, the polis, as idiots. Here, thousands of years later, were relegating to idiot status those who arent part of the polis through no fault of their own. Multilingual polling is an indispensable tool to help minorities enter the polis. Its not the ballot box that gives people a sense of belonging, Close argues. Its the sense of having a voice, of this hunger to be visible in the media culture. |