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2003/9/12 [Computer/Networking] UID:10161 Activity:nil
9/11    Hypothetical situation: Drive-By Filesharing  [format was here]
        I have a wireless access point.  I don't know how to stop people from
        connecting to me.  A P2P user connects to me to download files.  My
        ISP identifies my IP as downloading files.  Will RIAA sue me?  Is
        there an onus on all users who have wireless access points to secure
        their networks?  Can blame be shifted to makers of wireless access
        points who don't make it sufficiently easy to protect your network?
        \_ Yes, they might.  Yes, there is.  No, it can't.
        \_ It could be argued that by making your access point open to the
           world you qualify for the same common carrier status given to ISPs,
           and thus could qualify for DMCA Safe Harbor provisions.  Now, in
           order to qualify for safe harbor, you need to turn over logs on
           request.  Fortunately, the US has no laws that REQUIRE you to log.
           As a result, the EFF has been advocating that you either do not log
           or throw away logs as soon as they have outlived their use.  In
           short, you can't subpoena what you don't have. -dans
           \_ Try that in court.  Good luck.  Let us know how it goes.  It's
              cheaper to just buy all the music you like.
              \_ The point of the post is that this guy is worried about
                 people USING his WAP *without his permission* to download
                 contraband, tainting his IP so that the RIAA sues him.  What
                 you say doesn't help at all.  HOW DO YOU SECURE YOUR WAP?
                 WEP seems ineffective.  MAC address can be worked around.
                 Is it just impossible?
                 \- withough going into detail, we have evidence RIAA
                    minions or affilates were sending out gnutella and
                    other p2p mapping traffic and if they *failed to get a
                    failure* [read that carefully ... if they didnt get a
                    RST ... they didnt necessarily actually find a single
                    piece of pirated content] they sent you a bigfoot
                    letter. they did this multiple times to an institution.
                    this seriously undermines the credibility of their
                    data collection operation and the competence of the
                    people doing the collect ... as well as creating a
                    larger body of interested and knowledgeable people
                    who are recognized experts in networking and secuirty
                    who can testify as to the fuckedup methodology ...
                    which borders on harassment. so i guess this means
                    1. who the hell knows what insane and unreasonable
                    things those guys will do 2. they might get smacked
                    down for being sloppy by someone like MIT. --psb
                 \_ The answer is, "yes you can be sued and pretending you're
                    an ISP won't work, and no one knows how to secure a WAP
                    like that without IPSEC".  People who try to play legal
                    games never get anywhere in courts.  You'd need a good
                    lawyer for that and like I said if you can afford a lawyer
                    you can afford to buy your own music or your own security
                    guru or anything else you need to not be sued in the first
                    place.
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