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9/4 I love this shit. This is legalization of pirates in the high seas,
and USA is leading charge:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3082548.stm
\_ pirates? am i missing something here? it sounds like it's all
the activity of various nations' navies. when the US decides
to let commercial fishermen with grappling hooks and hunting
rifles board ships, then you can call it piracy.
\_ Both of you should read up on maritime law before resorting
to statements you can't back up.
\_ it's not a question of maritime law, it's a question of
what the word "pirate" means. If a warship attacks or boards
another vessel, that's not piracy.
Pirate:
"An armed ship or vessel which sails without a legal
commission, for the purpose of plundering other vessels on
the high seas."
\_ in the good old days, you can't just goahead and board
other nation's ship in the internation water. Am I
missing something here? --OP
\_ you probably side with China in saying to stop WMD
you need to talk. Imagine if this program were in place
back in Oct 1962 - no Cuban Missile Crisis! Might makes
right - get over it!
\_ Don't you have any pride in our nation as a beacon
of hope for democracy and its ability to bring the
world together? Soft power and our ability to set
the world agenda towards human rights have earned us
much leverage and the admiration of the world. You
should reevaluate the nuance of soft power. --aaron
\_ when were these "good old days" exactly? the good old
days are *right now*. in _your_ good old days ships got
boarded all the time. we called it piracy. it still
happens in some back water parts of the world but is very
rare, that's why ships no longer carry canons, eh?
\_ that is my point at first place. In name of
stopping WMD, we are acting like pirate of
caribean sea. What happened if we are trying
board a North Korean ship boun to Syria in
middle of Indian Ocean, and North Korean in self
defense open fire upon US navy vessel? -OP
\_ A military vessel stopping and searching a civ.
vessel on the high seas to search for contradband
is not piracy. That should be your "point at the
first place". Seriously, you're misapplying the
word. You don't know what it means. When a
US Navy destroyer or Coast Guard vessel stops a
ship, tosses the men overboard, sells the women into
slavery and keeps the cargo for later sale, please
post the URL on the motd and you can talk about
piracy on the high seas. I think you're a troll.
\_ The north korean ship is probably carrying nukes
or missiles or something nastier since that's about the
only thing north korea can export these days, so
I highly support boarding the bastards. What do YOU
think the US should do? Ignore it?
\_ "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence
on those who would do us harm" - Orwell
\_ It's a nice quote and always true for any
society that has a substantial civilian
population going back to Rome and earlier. |
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| news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3082548.stm The United States and 10 of its allies will press on with plans to intercept vessels suspected of carrying weapons of mass destruction despite a warning from China that the move could be illegal. The agreement, reached in Paris, endorses the American Proliferation Security Initiative PSI, which President George W Bush announced earlier this year. The 11 countries have agreed to board ships, force planes to land and inspect cargoes if they suspect that chemical, nuclear or biological weapons are being transported. They are to hold a series of 10 joint exercises, starting next week in the western Pacific, involving ships from the US, Australia, Japan and France, to simulate an interception. They will also try to recruit new members to the group and are due to meet in London next month. But many countries still question the efficiency and legitimacy of adopting this kind of measure. In response to criticisms, the head of the American delegation says the group could seek to get approval for its actions from the UN Security Council if they feel there are areas where they do not have the proper authority. What we intend to do is consistent with national and international authorities, John Bolton, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, said after the group held talks in Paris. Although the PSI effort is not officially aimed at any one nation, Mr Bolton acknowledged that North Koreas nuclear weapons programme was a top concern, the Associated Press news agency reports. In December last year, Spain intercepted a North Korean ship carrying Scud missiles and handed over the vessel to the United States. Yemen later said it had ordered the missiles and Washington allowed the ship to go after concluding the shipment did not break any laws. |