8/29 OC turning liberal, maybe there is hope for CA afterall:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/us/politics/30orange.html
\_ and the state is slowly turning conservative. Meg 2010!
\_ We will see. Seems unlikely.
\_ Yeah, because CA sure has a problem with not enough dems in power!
If only dems had been running the state for the last 40 years!
\_ Yes, if only they'd been running the state for the last 40
years without the GOP blocking every goddamn budget that
made sense. Blaming the party in power when you keep holding
them up is a shameful charade.
\_ CA is doing pretty well compared to most of the nation, believe
it or not.
\_ Big parts of OC (like Stabba Ana) turning into a barrio does
not bode well for California.
\_ Sure it does, immigrants have always revitalized America.
The newest wave is no different.
\_ So you think that the entire State becoming a slum except
for a few gated communities here and there is revitalization?
Previous immigrants had much different values than the
current immigrants do. I do agree that immigrants will
help run our economic engine so that we don't become a
dying nation like Japan, but the American standard-of-living
is taking a dive as all of these Third World immigrants
bring their Third World philosophies, diseases, and
values into our nation. I see a big difference between
Polish Jews, Irish, and even Chinese as compared to
immigrants from Africa and Central America - and I don't
mean skin color.
\_ "Third World philosophies, diseases, and values"
Er, WTF?
\_ Diseases like tuberculosis are making a reappearance
thanks to our new immigrant friends. Let's just say
that immigrants from Japan and immigrants from El
Salvador don't bring the same things to the table.
There are very large cultural and religious differences.
There are large differences in attitudes towards the
treatment of women, human rights, education, the role
of government, etc. It is part of the reason why
these countries are they way thay they are. If this is
these countries are the way they are. If this is
not obvious to you I won't waste my time explaining.
\_ You sound exactly like the Know Nothing bigots who
hated the Irish and Italians at the turn of the 19th
century. And the anti-Asian racists who had the
Japanese put in internment camps during WW-II.
The new immigrants will join American society just
fine and renew America with the integration of their
values with ours. This is especially true for Latin
American immigrants. I don't know who all these
African immigrants are that you claim are coming
to America, but America still has a problem with
race that needs working on.
\_ As you point out yourself, America has a problem
with race. It was much easier for Irish to
assimilate than it will be for Africans and
Latinos and this is one of the reasons (but
not the only reason) why.
\_ El Salvador? Are you nuts? The El Salvadoran
immigrant population mostly fled dictators and
death squads, and they're a hell of a lot more
committed to a free and democratic US than you
are. El Salvador is the way it is now because
WE, the US, supported dictators and death
squads. That's a matter of record. Look up
declassified documents on the CIA in El Salvador
in the 60s for more.
\_ Yes, El Salvador would be a First World nation
if not for US involvement in their affairs.
Riiiiight.
\_ Diseases like tb are making a resurgence because
we have a failing health care system. Poor folks
can't afford to get immunized, and rich folks
are buying up Cipro-- and then not using the
right doses to kill whatever bugs they do have,
resulting in drug-resistant strains of tb. Also,
do you know what you have to do to get a visa
in the US? Get a raft of shots and medical
exams. As for illegals, haven't you been
reading that illegal immigrants have been
returning to their countries of origins in
record numbers? If any of this is not obvious
to you, please, by all means, ask for more
explanation.
\_ Yeah, soon there won't be any illegal immigrants
left here. You know, I have a bridge for sale
you might be interested in. |