10/20 "Ending death penalty could save US millions: study"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091020/ts_alt_afp/usexecutionjustice
"...... the cost to the state to reach that one execution is 30
million dollars"
I used to be pro death penalty because I thought it's cheaper than
life without possibility of parole (p.s. especially with the health
care cost of $40k/yr per prisoner that was in the news a couple months
ago). But now I'm not sure.
\_ It is clearly not cheaper. -tom
\_ It would be cheaper if we just got on with it already.
\_ But we can't and shouldn't, so it's clearly not cheaper. -tom
\_ We can and we should. See how easy that is?
\_ Yes, it's quite easy to execute innocent people. -tom
\_ if DNA proves guilt, kill. if not, life sentence.
\_ You think jailing innocent people for life is better?
Let's just not jail anyone in case we made a mistake.
\_ Plenty of innocent people "jailed for life" end up
being released after new evidence comes to light.
Hard to bring someone back to life though.
\_
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row
138 death-row inmates have been released since
1971. The failure cost of the death penalty is
much higher than the failure cost of prison. -tom
\_ I think I'd rather be wrongly executed than
rot in prison for 60 years after being wrongly
imprisoned. Jail and the people in it are that
unpleasant. What *really* sits wrong with
me is when criminals *beg* to be executed
and we don't do it. Let's execute those
people ASAP and set a reasonable period
where evidence can be brought to light for
everyone else: lets say 10 years. I don't
want to pay for some "death row" type guy
to be in prison from age 22 to 82. Charles
Manson should not be an expense to me
right now.
\_ If you had a 10-year limit, you would
only have executed 65 of the 138 innocent
people. Good job! -tom
\_ I'm not going to worry about 65 people
out of the 2.5 million in jail. As I
said, it's not any better to wrongly
rot in jail. It's not like you are
going to find all wrongfully
convicted people with or without the
death penalty. I believe the justice
system works and works better than
ever in this age of DNA evidence.
Your argument is that the justice
system makes a mistake 5% of the time
in capital cases. I _really_ doubt that
figure given the extensive appeals
process. BTW, the average length of
time between sentencing and
exoneration for those wrongfully
convicted is 7 years. So if you
think 10 cuts it too close let's
make it 20. I just threw a number
out there.
\_ At this point you're just trolling;
if you were really wrongfully
accused and had the option of 12
years in jail and instant death,
you would take death? The idea
is absurd. Let's leave it at,
the death penalty is more expensive
than life in prison and will remain
so despite the efforts of nutjobs
like you, so you can't argue that
the death penalty costs less than
the alternative. -tom
\_ The death penalty is only more
expensive because of nutjobs
like you who are concerned that 65
out of millions of convictions
over the last 30 years might
actually be innocent. You
waste a lot of money on such
statistical insignificance.
Accept that the justice system
works and stop wasting time
defending *tried and convicted*
death row inmates. If this
were 1709 I'd be right with
you, but the system is not as
corrupt as it used to be and
works very well as your own
numbers attest to.
\_ Millions were convicted of
murder? Probably not. I wonder
what the false positive rate
in convictions is. Any idea?
\_ The article doesn't say. Is it also so expensive in Texas, where
there do a lot of it?
\_ You know why California has a prison problem? Because of
fucking idiots like you who think it's cheaper to keep a
person alive than to execute them. I have a better
solution, just offshore the job to China. They can do it
far more efficiently. It really pisses me off seeing a
headline like this. Hand control of Oakland to China and
the crime situation will disappear and innocent people will
stop dying. Fucking US criminal justice system.
\_ California has 678 death row inmates; you could execute them
all tomorrow and we'd still have a prison problem. -tom
\_ My point is we should execute a lot more people. Like
the 10 or 20 who gang raped the Richmond school girl.
A bullet in their head is the best message we can
send to those fuckers in Richmond and Oakland.
Innocent people suffer and die when you have a
criminal justice system that doesn't get rid of
scumbags.
\_ I think we should get out the guilloitine and start
chopping off the heads of all of Goldman Sachs and
the CEOs of AGI, Bank of America and all the other
the CEOs of AIG, Bank of America and all the other
fools who have caused much more suffering than the
Richmond rapists. But I am not holding my breath
for the world to come around to my point of view.
\_ http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14699746 |
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