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2008/12/8-10 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:52193 Activity:kinda low
12/7    What kind of adapter do I need on my Thinkpad to drive that new 30"
        Apple Cinema display?
        \_ New? Well, though I didn't know there's a new model, I'm pretty sure
           that like the old one, you'll need something with Dual-link DVI, or
           if they moved to DisplayPort (or whatever its name was), you'll need
           that. Basically, with such a large monitor, it needs a lot of
           bandwidth to get the signal over without a crappy resolution or
           framerate. So unless you have a pretty nice graphics adapter on your
           thinkpad, you won't be able to get the full benefit from it. If you
           don't have even a single-link (standard) DVI port, you're double-
           screwed, and won't be able to use it at all. --t
           \_ I did a bit more research and my Thinkpad only drives up to
              1920xXXXX so it's not going to use up the entire 2XXXxXXXX
              resolution that the new 30" native resolution has. Also it's
              a shitload outa my price range. I'm now thinking about the
              regular 24" with 1920xXXXX resolution. I only need a DVI
              right?
              \_ Yeah, if your Thinkpad hs DVI you should be golden. However, do
                 consider getting some other brand if you're not looking to get
                 the 30" model, as you'll save a lot of money without
              \_ Yeah, if your Thinkpad hs DVI you should be golden. However,
                 do consider getting some other brand if you're not looking
                 to get the 30" model, as you'll save a lot of money without
                 sacrificing much in the way of quality --t
                 \_ What other 24" brands besides Apple have good colors?
                    \_ Bah. my edit was deleted. After some research, the new
                       model uses mini-DisplayPort, for which no adapters
                       currently exists (but Apple is offering free licenses for
                       the specification to drive adoption). You're SOL for the
                       new one unless you decide to get a new mac. --t
                       currently exists (but Apple is offering free licenses
                       for the specification to drive adoption). You're SOL
                       for the new one unless you decide to get a new mac. --t
2008/12/8-10 [Reference/Military] UID:52194 Activity:nil
12/7    The good side of a bad economy:
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_on_re_us/gifts_for_guns
        "In lean times, SoCal residents trade guns for food"
        \_ This is really sad news. How are these poor people going to defend
           themselves without their guns?
2008/12/8-11 [Industry/Startup] UID:52195 Activity:nil
12/7    the big investment banks are all gone.  does anyone care?
        \_ Why should anyone care?
        \_ In fact it may open up IPO underwriting to more competition. Then
           alternative offering models may take hold. Less bounce, more $ for company:
           alternative offering models may take hold. Less bounce, more $ for
           company:
           http://www.newsweek.com/id/87276
2008/12/8-10 [Consumer/Camera, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:52196 Activity:low
12/7    http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2008/12/a-rant-about-th.html
        Hitler curses at Nikon D3X, Capture NX, and all the idiotic things
        Nikon has done and totally fucked up in the past 5 years.
        \_ wow you weren't kidding.
        \_ Is this the goddamn The Bunker clip again?  Jesus will that meme
           just die already?
           \_ I WISHED I LIVED IN SAN FRANCISCO
              \_ What does this mean?
                 \- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV4i7dWeu0c
            \_ These days it's more "I wish I was single"
                    \_ Anyone have the original with subtitles handy?
        \_ Nikon is fucking up their 50-80 or so years of dominance.
           It's like watching Lehman Brothers' legacy going down the drain.
           It's a sad sad dark moment for all of us Nikon suckers.
2008/12/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52197 Activity:very high 100%like:52200
12/8    Andrew Sullivan has become truly unhinged
        http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html
        \_ please shorten this for the 80 char dinosaurs in audience
        \_ funny.  what if he's right?
           \_ What if the 9/11 truthers are right?
              \_ I truly do not think Bush is smart enough to lead a diabolical
                 conspiracy consisting of 10s of thousands to bomb the WTC
                 with thermite.
              \_ The difference being that the Truthers have had their theories
                 debunked with facts, whereas Sullivan's questions have only
                 been answered with assertions. How hard is it to produce the
                 birth certificate? Frankly, I wouldn't care, except that she
                 seems determined to make herself a GOP fixture.
                 \_ Given the scenario, the birth certificate would be faked as
                    well.  That wouldn't prove anything.
                    \_ Wasn't Obama really born in Kenya?
                    \_ At least it would provide something other than
                       "'cos I said so."
                 \_ What scenario could occur that would give the wackos
                    enough proof besides video footage of Obama ejecting
                    from the womb in Hawaii?
                    \_ Videos can be faked. This is the same crowd that
                       believes that the moon landings were faked as well:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
        \_ I find this far more entertaining than the Obama was born in Kenya
           conspiracy.  I guess it really is Berkeley's fault.
        \_ Do you call Malkin "truly unhinged" as well?
2008/12/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:52198 Activity:nil
12/9    Takeover strike:
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_on_re_us/workers_takeover
2008/12/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:52199 Activity:high
12/8    Partha, I'd be interested to know how you do on this:
        http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx
        I bet you're in the 90% or above...
        \_ That's not a very hard quiz. I'm not particularly big on politics
           or econ, and I managed 30/33.
        \- i got 30/33 too. #33 is not a good question.
           the puritan question is also kind of iffy [the were
           looking for increased freedom to practice, complete
           freedom, i suppose not. but just to label a pretty disparate
           group with the "teh believed in sinfulness and not dancing
           isnt a good answer, especially in the american civics
           context, where the focus should be on free exercise].
           i legitmately got the lincoln-douglas one wrong.
           i knew there was an active debate on the compromises
           about adding new states but i thought the debate between
           then was more philosophical. why didnt you just wall this
           if directed at me.
        \- i got 30/33 too. i misreaad 33 reading deficit for debt.
           the actual answer is not very good. the puritan question
           is also kind of iffy [they were looking for increased
           freedom to practice, complete freedom, i suppose not. but
           just to label a pretty disparate group with the "they
           believed in sinfulness and not dancing" isnt a good answer,
           especially in the american civics context, where the focus
           should be on free exercise].  i legitmately got the
           lincoln-douglas one wrong.  i knew there was an active
           debate on the compromises about adding new states but i
           thought the debate between then was more philosophical. why
           didnt you just wall this if directed at me.
           thought the debate between L&D was more philosophical.
           why didnt you just wall this if directed at me. --psb
           \_ And yet, you're not a citizen, right?  Good job, psb,
              though truthfully I expected you to do well.  You
              didn't seem to be on wall at the time.
              \_ Yet, not a citizen? I thought that tends to work in his favor.
                 \- it's not a matter of citizenship, it's i havent taken
                    a us history class in 20yrs and am not interested in
                    us history [i am interested in 20cent history and
                    con law]. like i dont remember exactly who the
                    the con law]. like i dont remember exactly who the
                    anti-federalists were, although that was a guessable
                    question.
        \_ I got 100% right. -ausman
        \_ I got only got #8 wrong.  I would have gotten that if I'd
           thought about it longer. (Roosevelt/SCOTUS threaten q.)
           The Puritan question seemed poorly written and #33 is a silly
           trick question.  (I still got those right though.)
           \_ How is 33 a trick question.  A lot of people don't understand
              the difference between debt and deficit spending.
              \- because tax per person is not really meaningful concept.
                 secondly, it assumes there is history ... i.e. there
                 could be debt from past years but doesnt include say
                 non-tax sources of govt income, govt expenses on
                 non-citizens ... saying $3bh of aid to israel is
                 non-citizens ... saying $3bn of aid to israel is
                 $10 of spending on each person (in america) is kind
                 of silly. whereas one of the core national income accounting
                 identity does start with aggregate govt revenue and
                 agg govt spending.
                 what would you pay to see sarah palin take this quiz
                 in front of you? i might pay $100.
                 \_ I would pay $100 if she had to take it 'cold' with
                    no fore-warning and had never taken it before....
        \_ I also got 30/33, but I did have to make some educated guesses.
           For example, I could not have answered the Lincoln/Doglus one
           without the multiple-choice format.
           \_ That's all fine and well, but I think the funny/sad part here is
              they claim that "college educators" only score 55% on average.
              \_ It is sad that they make that claim, it kind of destroys
                 their credibility.
                 \_ Does it? I'm not so sure. I find it plausible, depending
                    on how they define "college educators" (what colleges,
                    what subjects, etc.).
                    \_ I personally know four "college educators" and I can
                       ask them all to take this test and tell you how they
                       did, if you like. Of course, all but one is a Cal Grad
                       (and the one that is not is a UCLA grad) so perhaps this
                       is too much of a self-selected sample. I would be
                       astonished if any of them got under 90%.
        \_ I think whether you take the quiz fast or slow (untimed) may make
           a couple of point difference.
        \_ 28/33 -- I would have gotten 33 but I read it too fast
2008/12/8-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52200 Activity:low 100%like:52197
12/8    Andrew Sullivan has become truly unhinged
        http://tinyurl.com/5rndkv
        \_ funny.  what if he's right?
           \_ What if the 9/11 truthers are right?
              \_ I truly do not think Bush is smart enough to lead a diabolical
                 conspiracy consisting of 10s of thousands to bomb the WTC
                 with thermite.
              \_ The difference being that the Truthers have had their theories
                 debunked with facts, whereas Sullivan's questions have only
                 been answered with assertions. How hard is it to produce the
                 birth certificate? Frankly, I wouldn't care, except that she
                 seems determined to make herself a GOP fixture.
                 \_ Given the scenario, the birth certificate would be faked as
                    well.  That wouldn't prove anything.
                    \_ Wasn't Obama really born in Kenya?
                    \_ At least it would provide something other than
                       "'cos I said so."
                 \_ What scenario could occur that would give the wackos
                    enough proof besides video footage of Obama ejecting
                    from the womb in Hawaii?
                    \_ Videos can be faked. This is the same crowd that
                       believes that the moon landings were faked as well:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
        \_ I find this far more entertaining than the Obama was born in Kenya
           conspiracy.  I guess it really is Berkeley's fault.
        \_ Do you call Malkin "truly unhinged" as well?
2008/12/8-12 [Reference/Military] UID:52201 Activity:nil
12/8    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgL5kuBpMA
        Plaxico tells us about gun safety.
        \_ http://www.hulu.com/watch/46943/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-jon-stewart-touches-kids---plaxico-burress
        \_ I'm waiting for him to tell us about gingivitis.
2008/12/8-12 [Finance/Investment] UID:52202 Activity:nil
12/8    Today was such a good day on the market. I got one great sell
        triggered from a limit I set last week. I love the stock
        market. I love week trading. No stress whatsoever. By the way,
        are you guys expecting the rally for a while? I'm actually a
        bit of pessimistic. I'm buying a bunch when it drops another 10%
2008/12/8-12 [Reference/Military, Politics/Domestic/President, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:52203 Activity:nil
12/8    "Military jet crashes in San Diego neighborhood"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_on_re_us/military_jet_crash
        Gee.  Reminds me of the movie "Blast from the Past".
        \_ Turns out it's in University City, just off the 805. Lots of
           nice houses around there.
        \_ great, this didn't help the housing price any, isn't it?
2008/12/8-12 [Recreation/Dating] UID:52204 Activity:moderate
12/8    So are The Mormon's really interested in equal rights?
                         \_ Learn proper use of apostrophes'
        http://tinyurl.com/6g6up4 (LA Times)
                                   \_ Can you link to a non-bankrupt source?
        \_ The LDS church never took away rights. They just organized and
           dumped a lot of money into a definition.  They want the definition
           of marriage to be man and woman.  There are no rights taken away
           here.  Gay people can still get married, just not to people of
           their same sex.
           \_ Your brain has been classified as: absent without leave.
           \_ The LDS church as an institution never dumped money anywhere
              regarding Prop 8.
                \_ Riiight. I guess those many articles, including a
                   good one from the NYT, were confused.
                   \_ LDS Church encouraged its members to donate, but didn't
                      donate money itself that I'm aware of.  Do you have a
                      URL where it states the church donated money?  I'd
                      be interested to see.  -vallard
                      \_ They have been accused of not properly reporting
                         "in kind" donations, which the FPPC is looking into.
                         I don't know of any serious claims that they gave
                         money directly.
           \_ Almost too stupid to respond to, but the CA Supreme Court
              clearly declared that gay marriage was a right, so Prop 8
              explicitly removed that right.  -tom
              \_ You should also read what the minority wrote on the subject.
                 Look at Justice Baxter's remarks.  The SC passed on a 4-3
                 decision.  You shouldn't call someone's remarks stupid
                 because you don't agree with them.
                 \_ "The power of a state to regulate and control the
                    basic social relationship of marriage of its
                    domiciliaries is here challenged and set at nought
                    by a majority order of this court arrived at not
                    by a concurrence of reasons but by the end result
                    of four votes supported by divergent concepts not
                    supported by authority and in fact contrary to the
                    decisions in this state and elsewhere...It is
                    difficult to see why such laws, valid when enacted
                    and constitutionally enforceable in this state for
                    nearly 100 years and elsewhere for a much longer
                    period of time, are now unconstitutional under the
                    same Constitution and with no change in the
                    factual situation. It will also be shown that they
                    have a valid legislative purpose even though they
                    may not conform to the sociogenetic views of some
                    people. When that legislative purpose appears it
                    is entirely beyond judicial power, properly
                    exercised, to nullify them."
                    Perez v. Sharp, 1948, J. Shenk, dissenting.
                    The fact that it was 4-3, or that someone dissented,
                    does not make the decision any less valid, any more
                    than J. Shenk's dissent made interracial marriage
                    less valid.  -tom
                    P.S.: I called it stupid because it's stupid.  -tom
                    \_ stupid = bitter Nikon shooters who got left behind
                       by stupid Nikon management that can't compete
                       in the digital world.
                    \_ What exactly is stupid about it?  Marriage has
                       never in human history been done between gays.
                       No society openly celebrated such official unions.
                       Applying the word "marriage" to same-sex couples
                       is redefinition.
                       \_ "gays can still get married, just not to people
                          of the same sex" is incredibly stupid.  As stupid
                          as "blacks can get married, just not to whites."
                            -tom
                          \_ Those aren't the same thing.  You're stupid.
                             Gays are self selected.
                             \_ Prove it.  -tom
                       \_ Are you really this ignorant or are you just trolling?
                       \_ Are you really this ignorant or are you just
                          trolling?
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions
                         \_ I don't trust this site.
                            <DEAD>en.mormonpedia.org<DEAD> is more accurate.
                         \_ That article is full of complete shit.  The
                            examples generally have nothing to do with the
                            type of union exemplified by "marriage".
                            \_ Just because Christ isn't involved doesn't
                               mean it isn't marriage.
                               \_ You = Idiot.
                            \_ Your reading comprehension is poor.
                               \_ No, yours is.  The article brings up
                                  mere incidences of gayness, which isn't
                                  in question, so it's fucking idiotic to put
                                  it in that article, although "unions" is
                                  pretty vague already so maybe the entire
                                  article is pointless.  It also brings up
                                  pederasty which is irrelevant and also
                                  nothing like a marriage/familial
                                  relationship.  "marriage" is an English
                                  word with a specific usage history.
                                  \_ "marriage" comes from the Old French
                                     "mariage", which in turn comes from
                                     the Latin "maritatus", which far
                                     predates the English language.
                                     \_ That doesn't refute my statement.
                                  \_ "The fact that marriage occurred between
                                      two men among the Romans is proved by a
                                      law in the Theodosian Code from the
                                      Christian emperors Constantius and
                                      Constans which was passed on December 16,\
                                      342. Martial attests to same-sex
                                      Constans which was passed on December 16,
                                      342. Martial attests to same-sex
                                      marriages between men during the early
                                      Roman Empire. The first recorded marriage
                                      between two men occurred during the
                                      reign of the Emperor Nero, who is
                                      reported to have married two other men
                                      on different occasions." You == bad reader
                                      on different occasions." You == bad
                                      reader
                                      \_ That law is banning homos and it is
                                         strangely written.  It certainly
                                         doesn't "prove" that gay marriage was
                                         previously accepted.  Nero might have
                                         done all sorts of things, Caligula
                                         fucked his sister and claimed he was
                                         a god, that doesn't mean it's a norm.
                                         In 390 they made gay sex punishable by
                                         burning to death.  Marriage is
                                         inherently about public recognition
                                         and all evidence is that homosexuality
                                         was ridiculed in Roman society.
                                         \_ Let me ask you this: what
                                            difference does it make to you
                                            whether gays call it marriage or
                                            civil unions or whatever?  Does
                                            it affect you that they call
                                            their intercourse "sex"?  What
                                            societal purpose is there to
                                            refusing to allow them to use
                                            the generally accepted term for
                                            a committed coupling?  -tom
2008/12/8-9 [Uncategorized] UID:52205 Activity:high
12/8    http://1man1jar.com JARS: CONTAINER OF OBJECTS, DESTROYER OF ASSES.
        \_ java containers are pretty cool
        \_ dude a NSFW or 10 would be nice
        \_ Did he die?
2008/12/8-12 [Uncategorized] UID:52206 Activity:nil
12/8    so we going to be bailing out the newspapers next?
        \_ "newsapers are fundamental for democracy!"
        \_ I think we should have a bailout for bitter sodans.
           \_ wht about sodans who are running failing dot coms?
              \_ How many of those do we have?
              \_ What ever happened to mr http://slide.com?
        \_ The buy-newspapers-guy loaded up the Tribune with debt to buy it.
           Should he be bailed out?  Not sure.
           \_ what's cool is he loaded up the tribune employee pension plan
              with debt!  everybody loses.
2008/12/8-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52207 Activity:nil
12/8    So $600B stimulus didn't work, let's try $1T!!!
        http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/05/news/economy/trillion_stimulus
        \_ Your article doesn't say what you're saying.
2008/12/8-12 [Health/Disease/General, Health/Women] UID:52208 Activity:nil
12/8    Great news--an actual effective malaria vaccine.
        http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-malaria9-2008dec09,0,4472582.story
        50% reduction in cases in the immunized population.
        This is Nobel prize stuff.
        \_ Wow, that's incredible!
2008/12/8 [Uncategorized] UID:52209 Activity:nil
12/8    That's my dream girl.
        http://www.xreview.com/x/real18girls/beach-boobs/big/08.jpg
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