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2008/11/27-12/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:52119 Activity:moderate
11/27   Hey, I'm new to motd...Are there any general rules/habits I should follo\
w/know about? --toulouse (Secretary)
        P.S. The office has actually been in 337 Soda, not 343 Soda, for the
        past year and a half or so. Speaking of which, the http://csua.com
        wiki doesn't look editable, whereas there is in fact an official CSUA
        wiki that authenticates to our LDAP backend (i.e. CSUA members can
        edit it). It's located at wiki.csua. I'd appreciate it if you guys
        could help add stuff to it. :)
        \_ For starters, 80 char per column. I fixed it for you this time.
        \_ Welcome here! I'm an anonymous old fart from the 90s and I donate
           to CSUA. I used to do recruiting but stopped for a while. Anyways
           the best thing you can do is to recruit more members who want
           to learn more about the UNIX system. You can start by
           enabling motd for new users which will generate more interests
           and awareness to our beloved time shared system.
        \_ Welcome. Use an editor that locks the motd while you edit, either
           vi or emacs, or expect some of your edits to be lost. Some people
           only edit remotely, for privacy reasons, so you still might lose
           some change. Expect to get flamed if you post anything controversial,
           so grow a thick skin. -ausman (The guy that did the CBS infosession)
           some change. Expect to get flamed if you post anything
           controversial, so grow a thick skin. -ausman (The guy that did the
           CBS infosession)
           \_ I'm using /csua/bin/motdedit, which launches my $EDITOR, vim.
              Does that work?
              \_ Yes, but don't ctrl-z the process, or you'll get death
                 threats.  Which is why I don't use motdedit anymore.  Vim
                 warns if the file has changed when you write it, so I don't
                 bother locking the motd, just don't write if someone else has
                 modified it. -emarkp
          \_ I never ctrl-z processes, I use screen to multitask. --toulouse
                \_ I don't ctrl-z, I use screen to multitask. --toulouse
        \_ Learn to make fun of people. Tell them to rtfm. They're gay.
           Yermom is ugly. You're welcome.
                \_ That's what she said. --toulouse
                   \_ Replies are better if the indent is minimal, not a full
                      tab.
        \_ learn to bait tom, emarkp, danh, LOLPAOLO, psb
                     \_ My tabs are 4chars long, so I don't see the
                        difference. Are yours 8? I noticed people were using
                        tabs so I switched to indenting with them. I'm
                        fiddling with it right now. Any other vim'ers have
                        tips on the most convenient configuration? --toulouse
                        \_ Ah I see what's going on. Traditionally tabs
                           have been 8 characters long. This changed
                           somewhat since the introduction of IDEs. Keep
                           in mind motd.public has been around way before
                           IDEs have been popular. 8 char=tab was the UNIX
                           way for decades, until... IDEs came along. Then
                           came along pico and other funny editors. At any
                           rate, a general rule of thumb is that you should
                           never use tabs in your programs. Space only!
                           http://csua.com/?entry=33555
                   \_ you can also reply to a word
        \_ wiki.csua has an invalid SSL certificate.
           It's good to see a current politburo member trying to engage the
           community here, while also bringing up new web services.
           I would like to see more CSUA web services--a bulletin board,
           blog, etc.  Current undergrads don't have any interest in wall
           or MOTD, and most of the alumni population is gone via
           attrition combined with the various password resets.  The
           connection between undergrads and alumni used to be a major
           aspect of the CSUA, and those connections created job
           opportunities for a lot of people.  It would be good to find
           a way to recreate a CSUA online community that would be used
           by current undergrads.  -tom
           \_ The expired self-signed certificate is a known issue. SSL is a
              pain in the ass. I suggested buying a cert that people already
              generally have, though I have reservations about this, as it's
              entirely about convenience, rather than technical need. Also, I
              agree about the lack of interest in MOTD and wall. I was never
              properly introduced to either, due to nobody else showing me the
              ropes, so I'm still hesitant to make full use. Agreed on the
              online forum and blog; I just shot off an email to politburo
              suggesting it. As Secretary (for another month and a half), that
              actually falls under my office, so hopefully in the remaining time
              we can put something up.
              actually falls under my office, so hopefully in the remaining
              time we can put something up.
              \_ Do new users have "more /etc/motd" in their default .bashrc?
                 This would bring in a lot of new blood. -ausman
                 \_ While true, this would be something take up with steven,
                    the VP. If you ask steven/politburo about it then response
                    is more likely, rather than using me as a proxy (though I
                    think I brought it up anyway...I don't remember.)
                 \_ I think it's extremely unlikely that "more /etc/motd" would
                    bring in new blood.  Most of the undergrads probably
                    don't even log in on the command line, and even if they
                    knew it was going on, would not understand why we're
                    using such an ineffective discussion medium.  (Leaving
                    aside the issue that the content isn't anything that's
                    interesting to undergrads).  -tom
                   \_ Well, it would at least bring in *some* new blood. Few
                        members at this point even know of motd. I bet some of
                        our officers don't even know about it. That said, a
                        forum would draw in a lot more people IMO. But yeah,
                        other ugrads don't seem to appreciate having a login
                        shell as much as I do...something I want to fix next
                        semester. (I'm planning to run for P) --toulouse
                        P.S. one such thing is to get a beefy-ass server and
                        offer virtual private server to members on a case-by-
                        case basis (i.e. not willy-nilly, but to people in good
                        standing with the CSUA with a good reason. Incidentally,
                        we're thinking of soliciting donations for the server,
                        but that's not my department. We're also waiting for the
                        Core i7 to be available, since we want a quad-quad core.
                        case basis (i.e. not willy-nilly, but to people in
                        good standing with the CSUA with a good reason.
                        Incidentally, we're thinking of soliciting donations
                        for the server, but that's not my department. We're
                        also waiting for the Core i7 to be available, since we
                        want a quad-quad core.
                        The CSUA's in decent financial shape, and you might've
                        noticed keg's crashiness lately, so investing in a
                        bitchin' fast server seems like a good idea.
                        \_ Overachieving undergrad screaming to get noticed.
                           Just kidding, you rule. Are you an aspiring
                           sysadmin? If so, tell me when you're graduating,
                           I can place you in a good company. -headhunter alum
                           \_ Well, our vp, steven, is the sysadmin guru. I'm
                              not sure what I want to do after college, but
                              sysadminning is a possibility. I've been
                              learning from steven over time, but he's still
                              got the most experience under his belt. While
                              I pushed the wiki, it was ultimately steven who
                              did the setup. Not that I'm not capable, but
                              credit where credit is due...Anyway, tbh, I'm
                              not sure whether I want to program in a
                              professional capacity after I graduate, or keep
                              it as a hobby, or go into digital logic (such as
                              FPGAs), or possibly go into sysadminning. I'm
                              graduating May 2010, btw.
                              --toulouse
                              \_ Young man please remind us again when you're
                                 close to graduating. Don't circulate your
                                 resume online randomly. Give it to me.
                                 The bottom line is I get a cut from hiring
                                 you, and when you get hired I'll take you to
                                 dinner. Also don't listen to a bunch of
                                 people telling you to join their startups
                                 that'll be the next Google, and more
                                 importantly DON'T QUIT SCHOOL or else you'll
                                 end up like dans. Take lots of classes and
                                 get really good grades. Your GPA really
                                 counts when you're fresh out of college.
                                 Follow my advice and you'll get lots of
                                 job offers. By the way, if you're curious
                                 about grad school, by all means go for it
                                 but start EARLY (late junior year).
                                                        -class of 96
                                 \_ How can he give him your resume when you
                                    don't even sign your post? And what is wrong
                                    with how dans is doing? But I agree with
                                    your advice about staying in school. -ausman
                                    don't even sign your post? And what is
                                    wrong with how dans is doing? But I agree
                                    with your advice about staying in school.
                                    -ausman
                                 \_ As ausman says, I can't exactly send a
                                    resume directly to an anonymous person. I've
                                    thought about the repercussions of dropping
                                    out before and decided it definitely isn't
                                    for me, and I've thought about grad school
                                    and I don't think it's really an option for
                                    me. For various reasons, I need to start
                                    earning to support my parents, and my GPA is
                                    about 3.1 or so, due to a few poor choices
                                    regarding class load and study habits...so
                                    it's probably work after graduation, and
                                    concurrent enrollment for additional classes
                                    -- time allowing.
                                    resume directly to an anonymous person.
                                    I've thought about the repercussions of
                                    dropping out before and decided it
                                    definitely isn't for me, and I've thought
                                    about grad school and I don't think it's
                                    really an option for me. For various
                                    reasons, I need to start earning to support
                                    my parents, and my GPA is about 3.1 or so,
                                    due to a few poor choices regarding class
                                    load and study habits...so it's probably
                                    work after graduation, and concurrent
                                    enrollment for additional classes -- time
                                    allowing.
2008/11/27-12/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:52120 Activity:nil
11/27   http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=a96.kD6rKZM0&refer=india
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,458270,00.html
        101 dead in India. Word of advice: don't tell gunmen that
        you're an American/Britain. Say that you're a Canadian, and
        that you never supported Bush's war. Seriously, you didn't
        actually support his war right? It's aboot time that I practice
        my Canadian accent.
        \_ http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/oct/31bpo1.htm
        \- "They have grenades, they have AK47s...they have 100kg of chicken."
           \_ And some of them are ambiguously gay!!!
        \_ http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/king.chopra.mumbai
        \_ "C[anadians] die a thousand deaths. The valiant taste of death
           but once." -jcaesar
2008/11/27-12/4 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Languages/Ruby] UID:52121 Activity:nil
11/28   http://www.tiobe.com/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
        why is ruby going down so fast?
        \_ Because everyone's finally realizing how much it sucks? Not the
           language, necessarily, but the interpreter. Also, Zed Shaw.
        \_ mongrel_rails start -p 80 -e production -d
           thus: way too easy to start a rails server
        \_ yah the bytecode rev is in the next release.
        \_ Pascal is up!  It's coming back!
           \_ COBOL #1 fan
        \_ Java #1!!! Followed by C.
2008/11/27-12/4 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:52122 Activity:nil
11/27   Guess what, petro is cheap again! Time to buy that SUV of your
        dream again and save GM!                -patriotic American
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