Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2008:October:19 Sunday <Saturday, Monday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2008/10/19-23 [Finance/Investment] UID:51574 Activity:nil
10/19 (
        Response to Buffet's "buy equities you fucks" op-ed letter
2008/10/19-22 [Uncategorized] UID:51575 Activity:nil
10/18   Azureus is getting huge and ugly. It's got that integrated
        player, search, etc crap. I just want a simple torrent client,
        not some huge ass AOL-like P2P browser. What do people use
        these days? ok thx.
        \_ run uTorrent . I gave up on Azureus.  uTorrent does everything
           you need.  For you unix people, uTorrent works great in wine.
2008/10/19-21 [Finance/Investment] UID:51576 Activity:moderate
        \_ All that cash just sitting on the sidelines now getting 3% is
           going to end up being put to use somewhere. What do you think
           investors are going to do with it, buy houses?
           \_ what's the next bubble?
              \_ Guns and canned food?
              \_ I don't know. I think "alternative energy" is probably
                 a good candidate. What about you, what do you think?
2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51577 Activity:nil
10/19   Wondering why McCain brought up autism in the debate? Hmmm...
2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51578 Activity:nil
10/19   Another classy Republican in Ohio:
2008/10/19-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:51579 Activity:nil
10/19   How the Republican lobbying game killed Freddie Mac reform:
2008/10/19-22 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51580 Activity:low
10/19   Colin Powell endorses Obama
        \_ Apparently the freeptards are already calling him a 'racist'
        \_ One fewer reason why I should vote for McCain.
        \_ One fewer reason why I should vote for McCain.  Now if only the
           Governator can also endorse Obama (he endorsed McCain), my choice
           Governator could also endorse Obama (he endorsed McCain), my choice
           would be finalized.
2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51581 Activity:low
10/19   Real voter fraud by a serial fraudster:
        \_ But child molester haters SHOULD in fact get 2 votes! I mean,
           what kind of American does not want to impose stiffer child
           molester laws? Liberals?
           \_ NAMBLA members.
2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51582 Activity:low
10/19   Oopsie, Obama broke ethics law when he was a state senator
        \_ This from John Stephenson, editor of Stop The ACLU.
           \_ Every single bit of spittle that flys from the frothing mouth
              of the Right warrants a banner headline in the NYT. Or it is
              just further proof that the MSM is in the tank for Obama.
              \_ This odd concept of equal time for opposing views is silly.
                 If I say "Gravity causes apples to fall down," must we then
                 publish cranks who insist on the Earth is a Magnet theory?
2008/10/19-21 [Finance/Investment] UID:51583 Activity:nil
10/19   MacGruber checks his stock portfolio (
2008/10/19-26 [Consumer/Camera] UID:51584 Activity:low
10/19   Sorry Nikon users, Canon is still more popular. More lenses, more
        bang for bucks, there is no reason to switch to Nikon:
        \_ Actually Nikon has most of the market share in Japan. Canon
           is very popular elsewhere. It's a neck to neck race reall, but
           Nikon seems to be doing quite well in the ultra-low-end DSLR:
        \_ Agreed.  There is no reason for the typical Canon users to switch
           to Nikon.  Whatever advantage Nikon has over Canon nowadays, if
           any, is not worth the re-investment.  One rason I can think of
           any, is not worth the re-investment.  The only reason I can think of
           that a Canon user would want to switch is that he/she needs to use
           a very specific obscure lens that Canon doesn't make (e.g. 6mm
           f/2.8 or 1200-1700mm f/5.6-8).  Another one might be that for some
           obscure reason you really need 1/4000sec shutter speed or 1/250sec
           X-sync speed even when your camera battery is dead.  Otherwise
           there is no reason.
           --- current owner of FM2n, N70, D80
           \_ Unlike the old days when you had a Nikkor for 20-30 years,
              today technology improves at an astounding rate (optics
              combined with superior technology like IS/VR). The good news
              is that with eBay these days, it's very easy to recoup or
              reduce loss by selling Nikon and going to a superior choice
              like Canon. By the way, do you actually use your film camera
              these days? How often? When was the last time?
              \- i am not the OP, but i occasionally shoot Velvia, E100,
                 and TMAX. a whole generation of digital-only photographers
                 has missed how good a nice slide looks projected as a
                 several foot wide image. again, not relevant if you just
                 take pictures at pt reyes or yosemite in the middle of the
                 day or in the backyard or the beach etc. i do not know
                 much about digital post-processing and i dont have a super-
                 high end digital SLR but i believe, and my associates agree,
                 portrait prints from TMAX for example look better than the
                 digital stuff shot at ~8mp. on the other hand, there are
                 places where i have taken ~300 digital pictures and kept
                 maybe 6 [like when shooting from a boat]. under those
                 circumstances in the film era, i wouldnt have bothered with
                 a camera at all, since the +$100 of film and dev costs
                 would not have been worth the 3 decent pictures. there
                 are a number of other aspects in which the upper echelons
                 of the film camera bodies [$500-$1000] are superior to the
                 sub-$1 digital bodies [in my case say my N90 vs D70 ...
                 over all build quality and controls of N90 are vastly
                 better than D70].
                 however, it is true ebay has had a real effect on the mkt
                 and consumer options, in my opnion. BTW, is it possible to
                 reasonably do long exposures ... say 60-90sec on the ~$1k
                 digitals today?
              \_ I last used my film camera 11 months ago when I was the
                 photog for a wedding.  The couple specified that they want
                 film, so I shot with Kodal Ultra 100UC.  (BTW normally one
                 would use 160NC for wedding, but from my experience Chinese
                 people (including all my relatives) think the color from
                 160NC and even 160VC is too dull for wedding day pictures, so
                 I migrated to 100UC.)   --- current owner of FM2n, N70, D80
                 \_ The D80 has a "bulb" shutter speed.  Whether or not the
                    CCD actually produces reasonable result for a 60-90sec
                    exposure, I haven't tried and I don't know.
                    --- current owner of FM2n, N70, D80
                    \- yes, i know about bulb, i was wondering about the CCD.
              \_ I last used my FM2n eleven months ago when I was the photog
                 for a wedding.  The couple specified that they wanted film, so
                 I shot with Kodal Ultra 100UC.  (BTW normally one would use
                 160NC for wedding, but from my experience Chinese people
                 (including all my relatives) think the color from 160NC and
                 even 160VC is too dull for wedding day pictures, so I migrated
                 to 100UC.)   --- current owner of FM2n, N70, D80
                 \_ Interesting. These days, people want computer files so
                    they can reproduce easier, and it archives forever,
                    and it's a lot easier to share. Who are these people
                    who prefer film? Are they old fashioned?
                    \_ shooting film, then scan the film into computer still
                        yield better result than most of the camera on the
                        market (i don't have a high-end digital camra, so
                        i wouldn't know).  Film also has color bias which
                        people who get used to it liked (I love NPH, it has
                        a GREEN bias).  For Black-n-white, film beats digital
                        hands down.  Film simply captures a lot more details.
                        In history of photography, people consistantly choose
                        convenience over quality.  This is one of the reason
                        why those glass-plated b&w photos of civil war still
                        look very good today.           kngharv
                        \_ None of the civil war pix are action shots.  Also,
                           I bet you don't see all the ones that looked like
                           crap because only the good ones survived.
        \_ there is no reason to switch from Nikon to Canon, nor vice versa,
           period.  Unless you are doing something REALLY specific, your
           photograph is probably not going to be limited by the BRAND of
           your equipment.   kngharv
           \_ I can tell you why. Canon lenses cost a lot less and you
              have waaay more selections. A 28-70mm f/2.8 Nikon costs
              $1600 new and $1500 used whereas the exact same one costs
              only $1100 (NEW) on Canon. That's enough money to buy
              a decent backup 1.6 body. When you build your equipment,
              high quality lenses will dominate the body and in the long
              term it's MUCH more economical to go with Canon. Personally
              I don't see why people choose Nikon these days besides legacy
              and loyalty. Given how uncompetitive Nikon has been I think
              it'll follow the same fate as Cyrix or AMD... they just can't
              compete feature for feature and bang for bucks with Intel, and
              will die out slowly. Go with the loser and you'll get stuck
              with expensive lenses that no one wants. Go with the winner
              and you'll have decades of use on your equipments.
              \_ I prefer Nikon because the availibity of used lenses.
                 For example.  I can pick up a manual focus 500mm mirror,
                 or some Russian-made fisheye for <$300.  I have about 8-9
                 lenses, only two of them cost more than $300.
                 (20-35mm f/2.8, Tamron 90mm f/2.8 macro). For me, be able
                 to pick up a 20 year old lenses as a cheaper alternative
                 is an option which I find very NICE to have.
                 Further, I used only ONE lenses for my first 10 years of
                 photography:  50mm f/1.4.   And, despite the crop factor,
                 I discover I start to use my 50mm a lot more (~25% of
                 the time).   Most people will not own more than 3 lenses,
                 and most people certainly will not carry all three lenses
                 they own all the time.  So, yes, I agree with you that
                 Canon is more successful commercially, but I don't think
                 that matters all that much.  All brand, Nikon, Canon, Pentax,
                 Sony/Minota, even Sigma, make great equipments and chances
                 are, it is you that limits what you can do with it.  kngharv
                 \_ Why did you use only one lens?
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Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2008:October:19 Sunday <Saturday, Monday>