9/6     http://www.pickensplan.com
           way, so Iraq hasn't been in the news so much.

9/8     So err, how many of you computer SCIENTISTS think it would be
        hunky dory to have a VP that wants to teach creationism in our
        schools?
        \_ How many of you computer SCIENTISTS have figured out this is a
           completely untrue smear?
        \_ Yeah, she so crazy! "I don't think there should be a prohibition
           against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part
           of the curriculum," she said.
           \_ "I am a proponent of teaching both."
              \_ http://csua.org/u/mai
                 Basically, she doesn't seem to care.  There was an argument,
                 she said, "Heck, teach both."  When peope didn't like that,
                 she said something along the lines of "nevermind."  It's
                 pretty disingenous to claim she "wants to teach creationism
                 in schools."
                 \_ It's also disingenuous to pretend that "teaching both" is
                    reasonable debate and not simply pushing mythology (and
                    Xian cosmogony). Palin:
                    "It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out
                     there. They gain information just by being in a
                     discussion."
                    That's Intelligent Design, and it's not a theory, it's
                    mythology.
                    \_ Sure, and I agree with you.  So what?  She hasn't
                       pushed it, and seems to have no real interest in the
                       question.
                       \_ It's a tough nut as well. ID is a joke, but "teach
                          both" sounds fair until you look hard into it.
        \_ No one will accuse her of being an intellectual pinhead.  She's
           vocally pro abstinence only sex ed in schools (HA HA HA HA), she
                   \_ No she's not, she very clearly said she's for teaching
                      birth control as well as abstinence in schools.
           claimed that we are in Iraq as part of God's plan (I can almost
                                                \_ No she didn't
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs _/
                \_ Yah, I've seen the video.  She didn't say what you think she
                   said.
           give her a break since she didn't write her convention election
           speech, but I bet Obama and Biden wrote theirs).  Her whole
                       \_ Show the evidence that *any* of the speakers at
                          either convention wrote their own speech.
           denying wanting funding for the Bridge To Nowhere is odd, since..
           that is demonstratably false.  I have some relatives up near '\
           the bridge to nowhere', the press never mentions that it's actually
           that is demonstratably false.  I have some relatives up near
           the bridge to nowhere', the press never mentions that it's actually
           not to nowhere, it's to an island that has an airport that is
           used by the entire area.   It's a complete pain to take the ferry
           from the airplane island to the mainland,  Everyone for hundreds
           of miles uses the airport.  It's actually quite handy.
           \_ "everyone for 100s of miles" up there is 300 people.
              \_ There's a lot of oil/gas/fishing industry up there.
                 You could make a case that they should have just built their
                 own bridge if it was so important.
        \_ http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

9/8     What is with the ending to NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN?  wtf
        \_ What do you mean? Everyone doesn't live happily ever after.
           Does this disturb you?

9/9     I am a democrat but my prediction is Obama will lose.  He's a
        better speech giver, but what exactly has he done? He can talk
        the talk but there's no proof that he has what it takes do to
        the job. He had a golden opportunity to pick Hillary as the VP
        to form the dream ticket. It would've shown to the outside
        world that he will unite force with competitors for the common
        good, and he can put aside criticisms in the past. The
        combined ticket will also benefit from advice and help from
        Bill Clinton, who bought us 8 great years before the current
        bush fuckup, and whom I and a lot of people highly respect.
        But no, his current pick shows his arrogance (who needs the
        Clintons), immaturity (pick a white dude with more experience
        but less well known), insecurity (Clintons will have different
        view from him so his job will be easier without the Clintons),
        and over estimating himself. He is a black person after all.
        While I have nothing against black people, wining the election
        as a black person will be quite a challenge in itself. He's
        not Collin Powell, he's just a young black dude with good
        speaking skill at a good opportunity, but has yet to prove
        himself. Will there be enough people that trust him?

        It was a very smart move for McCain to pick a female VP. You
        have a war hero with a woman VP to win those voters that
        supports woman in politics. Unfortunately this will be a much
        bigger percentage than the die hard Clinton supporters that
        will vote for Obama because they've got no choice. Personally
        I probably won't even vote. The only way Obama is going to win
        is if the country really got sick and tired of the Republican
        Party after 8 years and wants something different. If this is
        the only thing he's banking on then it's very risky.

        Let's just hope that the war trained McCain got more common
        senses than Bush does so it won't be that bad if McCain wins.
        \_ You know what?  You might be right that O could lose.  However,
           you're still an idiot.
        \_ I'm a decline-to-state who voted for Hilary in the primary and
           McCain in the 2000 primary. I've always (so far) voted Democrat
           in Presidential elections. I am not wild about Obama, but I
           don't think he will lose. I think the choice of Biden was a
           good one (Biden was my pick for President above Hilary, but
           dropped out before I voted). The Clintons are very polarizing,
           which is what I told my Democrat friends back when Hilary was
           running for the Senate. A lot of people love them, but a lot of
           people really hate them. I think their association hurt Al Gore
           and Bill didn't do Hilary any favors in this election. Obama was
           wise to avoid them. McCain isn't really loved by anyone, even
           Republicans, because he is a loose cannon and Palin's strength
           is in appealing to voters who weren't going to vote for Obama
           anyway. I guess it draws out Republicans who might have stayed
           home otherwise if that was an issue. I think a Biden/Obama ticket
           makes more sense than an Obama/Biden ticket. My main beef with
           Obama is that I still know almost nothing about him or his record.
           He's a very charismatic speaker which makes me nervous, because
           people like that can be convincing. That *can* be a plus, but I
           don't like that attribute when mixed with his status as a relative
           unknown. I like leaders with a track record.
           \_ That is basically the same thing The Economist said about him,
              that he needs to define himself better if he wants to win.
           \- the fact that sarah palin appeals to anyone is a deep condemnation
              of america. and why are you paraoid about barak's unknowns
              rather than palin's knowns and things mccain has said he would
              do [like further plutocratization]. between experience and
              somebody treating me with contempt ["alaska is on the border
           \- the fact that sarah palin appeals to anyone is a deep
              condemnation of america. and why are you paraoid about barak's
              unknowns rather than palin's knowns and things mccain has said
              he would do [like further plutocratization]. between experience
              and somebody treating me with contempt ["alaska is on the border
              with russia, thus ..."] and additionally there some some
              evidence obama is refelctive, unlike BUSHCO ... and may studies
              show often the incompetent are overly confident.
              \_ What does this say?  Does some one here speak illegible?
              \_ What does this say?  Does someone here speak illegible?
                 \_ It says your reading comprehension is low.
                    \_ or the author is writing to the wrong audience. Does
                       he/she want to be read and understood, or just seem
                       aloof and elitist.
                       \_ Man, I had always thought the elites would at least
                          use occasional capitalization.
                       \_ ...the wrong audience? This is the CSUA motd, not
                          freerepublic. Work that Cal degree, code monkey.
              \_ Where did I say that I like Palin at all let alone more
                 than Obama?

9/9     Are Hanna and Ike Japanese names?
        \_ Yes, as in the well known first Japanese American 5 star general
           and US President, Ike Eisenhower.
           \_ I thought Hana is flower and Ike is pond.

9/9     Liberals keep talking about how Palin is loud, annoying, obnoxious.
        Liberals hate candidates with big egos & obnoxious personality.
        You know what? That's exactly what conservatives vote for. Palin is
        playing the Ronald Reagan card... fuck all issues and just look
        nice on TV and be bright and be seen. The Ronald Reagan card is
        wins 48% of the votes, and is exactly what will get candidates
        into office. Sorry liberals, you just don't get it.
        \_ What sort of troll are you?
        \_ Right. If the Dems "got it," they'd remind people that:
           --McCain divorced his first wife, a former swim-wear model, after
             she was horribly disfigured in a car accident.
             \_ Dude are you serious? URL?
                \_ actually this is true.  while McCain was in POW camp,
                   his wife was in a terrible car accident that required
                   25+ surgeries that left her 4 inches shorter.  she didn't
                   tell him this while he was in POW camp, figuring he was
                   suffering enough.  when he got back to the states,
                   he divorced her, and soon married the rich Arizona heiress.
                   \_ Who was young enough to be his daughter.
                \_ The Daily Mail is a horrible rag, and yet I think they
                   managed to capture the outrage pretty accurately on this:
                   http://preview.tinyurl.com/6gbzhw (Daily Mail)
                   \_ According to the article, he got back to the US in 1973,
                      and divorced her in 1980.  So it's a pretty big stretch
                      to say he divorced her because of the accident.  -tom
                      \_ Good point. It's more accurate to say that he was
                         running around on her, chasing other women, and that
                         he divorced her to marry a rich and pretty younger
                         trophy wife.
           --McCain called his second wife a cunt.
           How dare they take the high road!
           \_ The cunt story is dumb.  If you've ever been in a relationship
              you'll know that there are sometimes ugly fights.  The divorce
              stuff does, however, say something about McCain.
              \_ Frankly, what the guy says in privacy (or at least in hushed
                 tones) doesn't particularly matter to me. Saying it in public
                 just makes me wince. It _is_ dumb; he ought to know better.

9/9     "Biologists on the Verge of Creating New Form of Life"
        http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/biologists-on-t.html
        And this is not synthetic biology.
        \_ Comments are a rats nest of creationists.  Why do these folks have
           more credibility than, say, 911 truthers?

9/8     What is with PALIN and her BLATANT LIES? wtf
        http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/09/tpmtv_palin_a_reformer_simply_laughable_--_background.php
        \_ Wait, so "politico" is a right-wing rag, and tpm is okay?!?
           \_ Do you deny the charges?  Even the WSJ is noticing how much of a
              liar Palin is.
              http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122090791901411709.html
              \_ I'm looking into the bridge issue. It's the only one that may
                 have merit. However, considering how much mud has been thrown,
                 I'm not going to accept it unless it's rock-solid.  Also, the
                 Alaskan Dems credited her with killing it, though they've
                 since scrubbed their site of that.  Here's the google cache:
                 http://tinyurl.com/5cqdw9
                 \_ Once it became obvious that the Bridge was a national
                    disgrace AND CONGRESS WASN'T WILLING TO FUND THE ENTIRE
                    THING, Palin killed the project because she didn't want
                    to spend state money on it, but happilly kept all the
                    money the federal government had given her already for
                    the project.  Read that WSJ article, I'm pretty sure WSJ
                    is ideologically pure enough for you.
                    \_ "However, Gov. Sarah Palin said the $398 million bridge
                        was $329 million short of full funding, and only $36
                        million in federal funds were set aside for it. She
                        said it was clear Congress had little interest in
                        spending any more money for it and that the state had
                        higher priorities."
                       This hardly sounds like "killing it." Also, there is a
                       charge that although they stopped the project, AK kept
                       the money.
                       \- also WSJ:
                          ...today, Sen. McCain again asserted that
                          Sen. Obama has requested nearly a billion in
                          earmarks. In fact, the Illinois senator
                          requested $311 million last year, according
                          to the Associated Press, and none this
                          year. In comparison, Gov. Palin has
                          requested $750 million in her two years as
                          governor -- which the AP says is the largest
                          per-capita request in the nation.

9/7     Mommy, why is Ike so big even after crossing over Cuba?
        \_ it's GWB's fault

9/9     T-9 hours until CERN turns on the juice.
        Call your loved ones now.
        \_ I can has black hole, pls ?
           \_ I just want my vaccum to collapse.
           \_ oh hai, i'm in ur universe imploding ur timespace
        \_ Actual collisions don't happen until Oct 21.
        \_ http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com
        \_ Check out these webcams:
           http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

9/9     motd getting hella laid guy here.  how do other getting laid guys
        manage?  I show up to work groggy, I can't concentrate, I never make
        my targets anymore.  She insists on at least giving me head once
        a day, sometimes twice if she gets home from work early.  If this
        keeps up I'm going to lose my job.
        \_ I dunno, I prefer having sex every day, it helps me relax and
           sleep better. You will get used to it, just make sure to get
           enough sleep and some exercise and eat right.

9/9     Biden is for forced segregation.
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122092005533912759.html
        \_ He makes Obama drink from a seperate fountain?
        \_ "Mr. Senor is an adjunct senior fellow at the Council
            on Foreign Relations and a founder of Rosemont Capital.
            He served as a senior adviser to the Coalition in Iraq
            and was based in Baghdad in 2003 and 2004."
           Wait, one of the guys who thought we'd be greeted as
           liberators criticizes Biden? Stop the presses!
        \_ BRAWNDO!  ITS GOT WHAT PLANTS NEED!
        \_ Did you ever find those WMD you were looking for?