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2008/9/4-8 [Uncategorized] UID:51051 Activity:nil
9/3     wow not ONE mention of gwbush/cheney
        \_ gw who?
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:51052 Activity:moderate
9/3     What's so bad about community organizers?  From the speeches
        tonight you'd think that was a euphenism for smoking reefer 24/7
        \_ Since the GOP has nothing to run on, they're just running a Hate
           convention.
           \_ Since when has either part had anything to run on? For the
              last 6 years the Dems have been running on "Bush sucks" and
              and now they're running on a combination of "Bush sucks" and
              HOPE! and CHANGE!
              \_ Change is all you'll have if you vote for Dems!  GH Bush
              \_ I don't know about you, but after 8 years of Bush and the GOP,
                 I'm about ready for HOPE and CHANGE.
                 \_ There are a whole lot more ways to change something for the
                    bad than the good.  Obama is basically running on Mcain =
                    Bush! Scary!  Which is obvious BS.
                    \_ I don't think that's BS.  McCain will continue the
                       policies of Bush/Cheney.
                    \_ In what way are McCain's policies different than Bush's?
                       \_ Federal stem cell research funding.  Being able to
                          speak coherently.
                 \_ So how exactly are you worse off?
              \_ Like I said, you've got nothing.
                 \_ Does your life suck and you're blaming it on Bush?
                    Dem party running against GOP: of course they're going to
                    claim that this is the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVAR and
                    that therefore due to ???? they should be elected.
                    The most significant changes we're talking about is stuff
                    is almost completely dependent on the legislators in
                    Congress, and not the president. i.e. the tax plan and
                    healthcare plan.  All the other stuff is just posturing.
                    Do you think Russia is going to give a shit about having
                    a guy who wants to talk to them more?  Obama's going to
                    use his magic inspirational charisma to bring about the
                    Age of Aquarius.
                    \_ Except Bush (or McCain) would veto the tax and
                       healthcare changes we need. Not to mention the energy
                       plan, which is a disaster under the GOP.
                      \_ Haha, "changes we need".  Care to go into specifics
                         about energy?
                         \_ That's right, changes we need. The Bush/McCain
                            economic policies have been a disaster for all
                            but the very richest:
                            link:tinyurl.com/69jh74
                            Go read Obama's policy papers on energy, I don't
                            have the time or inclination to recap them here.
                            But they focus on conservation, not lying to the
                            American people about how much oil we can get
                            out of ANWR or some BS about "clean" coal.
                           \_ I don't need those changes. Hence "we" is
                              laughable. Obama can't shit oil. Conservation
                              is not a long term plan.
                              \_ "Conservation is not a long term plan"?  What
                                 does that even mean?  Conservation is an
                                 choice.  The alternative is destruction.
                                 Conservation alone won't save the society,
                                 but without conservation you lose before
                                 you even start.  -tom
                                 \_ Whatever... McCain focuses on conservation
                                    too, and Obama's energy plan ALSO talks
                                    about your "clean" coal. You guys are so
                                    stupid and full of shit.
                                    \_ McCain focuses on conservation?  Is
                                       that why he's voted against improving
                                       fuel economy and pretty much every
                                       other conservation initiative, pretty
                                       much every time he's been given the
                                       opportunity?  -tom
                                       \_ Please stop parroting left wing
                                          blogs.  I'm obviously referring to
                                          the published "energy plans". Though
                                          McCain has in fact supported CAFE
                                          increases in certain forms (they
                                          quibble about timescales).  But of
                                          course it's easy for Obama to say
                                          he is better because after all he
                                          has no track record to scrutinize.
                                          By the way, stuff like CAFE is BS.
                                          if energy self-sufficiency is a
                                          matter of national security and
                                          protection from foreign volatility
                                          (and it is), then we should have a
                                          fairly high tariff on all imported
                                          energy (e.g. oil). We should always
                                          have had this, and we should have
                                          kept pushing nuclear.
                                          \_ So you're saying that you put more
                                             faith in a campaign promise than
                                             you do in someone's actual
                                             voting record?  Interesting.  -tom
                                             \_ Obama voted for the '05 energy
                                                bill. He voted for more ethanol
                                                boondoggle, clean coal, oil and
                                                gas subsidies. Obama voted for
                                                the porky farm bill. That's not
                                                a voting record I'm happy with.
                             \_ "We" means America here, obviously. Not what
                                some selfish prick in the top 1% of income
                                needs. We are all going into the tank if we
                                don't control our energy usage and our health
                                care expenses. Even you, I bet.
        \_ I think the OP understands that GOP is bashing Obama by labeling him
           as community organizer.  But the questions is why community
           organizer specifically.  What's bad about being a community
           organizer?  (I wonder about the same questions.)
           \_ Community and Communist differ by one letter, 'nuff said.
              \_ 2 letters, actually. Go beah!
           \_ That's just tit-for-tat.  The Obama campaign keeps refering to
              Palin as the mayor of Wasilla, so McCain calls him a community
              organizer.
              \_ You have your tats and your tits backwards. McCain has been
                 calling him that long before Palin entered the scene.
                 \_ Link?  I hadn't noticed anyway.
              \_ I see.  Thx.  -- PP
2008/9/4-8 [Computer/Networking] UID:51053 Activity:nil
9/3     Does anyone here have experience with Cisco AON? Success or horror
        stories?
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51054 Activity:nil
9/4     http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086
        Sometimes you just have to shake your head and laugh.
        \_ This post is sexist.
        \_ This totally made my year
        \_ The side-by-sides are my favorite part of the show.
        \_ Who gives a shit what those people say?  What matters is what the
           candidate says.
           \_ ...as they demonstrated at the end of the clip.
2008/9/4-8 [Transportation/Car] UID:51055 Activity:nil
9/4     I want a car that can do this:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAtkoje4-eM
        \_ Fuck this car. I want a lifestyle that does not require me
           to drive. Fuck all cars.
           \_ Move to San Francisco, New York City or Boston then.
              Or Europe, you Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey.
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51056 Activity:nil
9/4     "Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check
2008/9/4-8 [Uncategorized] UID:51057 Activity:nil
9/3     Car burst into flames at Chevron station on Lakeshore, around 6:30 a.m.
        no apparent injuries:
        http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~erikred/oakvideo_090408.3gp
        (3mb video)
        Fire crew was arriving on scene as I saw it. --erikred
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51058 Activity:nil
9/3     Cindy McCain's outfit: $300k
        http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/cindy-mccains-300000-outfit.html
        \_ Mostly in the jewelry.  And?
           \_ Just amusing that the incredibly wealthy candidate is the one
              throwing around the "elitist" word.  But I know, cognitive
              dissonance comes naturally.
              \_ Cindy McCain is a candidate?
              \_ elitism has little to do with wealth
                 \_ Do tell.
                    \_ http://www.dictionary.com
                    \_ Don't you Democrats pride yourself on nuance?
           \_ how much for the plastic surgery?
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:51059 Activity:nil
9/4     Someone asked yesterday about the Obama/Ayers link.  It took me a while
        to find a link I was happy with, this one is ok.  This guy goes into
        excruciating detail about the Annenberg Challenge and CAC over a
        number of blog posts.  The full Annenberg documents were only recently
        released, and this post predates the release.  The documents are still
        being digested, so this is far from the final word.
        Anyway, it is pretty obvious that Obama and Ayers had a close working
        relationship for at least 6 years (the real relationship almost
        cetainly predates this), in which they funneled millions to Ayers'
        causes and students.  It's also quite obvious that Obama has been
        highly disingenous about this relationship, and many of his statements
        about it have been blatant falsehoods. ("Our kids went to school
        together", etc)
        http://csua.org/u/m9b
        \_ Yes, Obama supports terrorism and wants to KILL WHITEY.
        \_ It looks like Obama has really been trying to improve the schools,
           which is great. I think I am going to give him another $2300.
           \_ Might want to look into what he was spending that money on
              first.  The challenge itself was deemed an utter flop. $100mil
              down the hole.
              \_ Deemed an utter flop by who? This guy is not a reliable
                 source.
                 http://preview.tinyurl.com/554pov
                 The Annenberg Challange is hardly the radical far-left
                 proposal this guy makes it out to be.
                 \_ Sorry, it was a flop _in Chicago_. That is, it had no
                    effect on student performance in Chicago. Your link is an
                    overall evaluation, so not really interesting for this
                    discussion.
                    Also, it was deemed a flop by the Consortium of Chicago
                    School Research (CCSR) in 2003.
                    \_ Yes, that is interesting. I will have to do some more
                       research. But I think it is amusing that an effort to
                       try and weaken the hold of the teacher's union is called
                       a communist tactic by this guy.
                       \_ I with you agree there.  -op
                       \_ I agree with you there.  -op

        here are some new numbers (VM Size in MB reported by Task Manager):
                                        2.0.0.16        3.0.1
        - Startup, empty the cache.     13              23
        - Go to http://www.yahoo.com          17              40
        - Open 6 news pages in          43              69
          6 new tabs.
        - Close the 6 tabs above.       35              54
        - Open the same 6 news pages    44              71
          in 6 new tabs again.
        - Close the 6 tags again.       38              53
        So, after opening and closing the same tabs a second time, Firefox 3
        still uses more memory than Firefox 2.  Any idea?  Thanks.
        \_ The delta between 2 "close the 6 tabs" lines is 3 megs for FF2
           and -1 megs for FF3.  The general problem with FF2 was it tended
           to leak memory over time.  For a desktop app, an extra 10 megs
           is minimal, but since people like to have long lived browser
           sessions, FF2's habit of slowing growing up to 2 gigs of memory
           is a real problem.
        \_ Dunno, I notice better memory usage with lots of tabs open.
           Firefox 2 used to go into the 500 MB range after a while,
           Firefox 3 typically doesn't go above 400 MB.
        \_ I used to have to restart my browser every day. I don't have to
           with FF3.
           \_ FF3 does seem more crashy though.
        \_ Anyway, you made your point. He has extensive political connections
           to an ex-WU guy. A big yawner to me, but perhaps middle America
           cares. I kind of doubt it.
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51060 Activity:nil
9/4     http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5715542&page=3
        Now even McCain is spouting the party line about how Palin knows
        foreign relations because Alaska is close to Russia.  Wow, that's
        some serious straight talk going on.
        \_ And Alaska is closer to Canada than to the 48 state!
        \_ Kind of stupid but not totally without merit. I think governors
           in California, Arizona, and Texas have a better handle on
           international relations than governors in Kansas, Arkansas, and
           West Virginia for instance.
           \_ I didn't know there America was building a giant fence on the
              Russian/Alaska border.
           \_ If you can't provide content or entertainment on motd,
              don't post anything. Fucker.
              \_ Take your own advice. Fucker.
2008/9/4-8 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:51061 Activity:nil
9/4     Can someone point me to any well-regarded sites for GPS information?
        (something similar to http://dpreview.com for digital cameras, but for GPS)
        I'm mainly looking for in-car/dash-mount GPS, but I need to read up
        on the different methods available for live-traffic.  I could also
        use a site where I can narrow down my possible choices by features.
        Thanks!
        \_ Don't. I live in LA. I spend over 2-3 hours a day on THE I-10
           I-110 and I-405. Don't. I bought a GPS w/ live traffic report
           from Costco. The delay is over 10 minutes, so by the time you
           get out, live traffic condition is already over. It is very good at
           looking at the past, but not the present. Traffic conditions in
           LA is too dynamic for this sort of stuff. You'll be going at
           0MPH with yellow dots while 60MPH with red dots. It is totally
           useless. My advice is to get the fuck out of Los Angeles instead
           of wasting money on GPS.   PS I returned my GPS from Costco.
           \_ If you were a real Los Angeleno you would know their proper
              names:
              The Santa Monica Freeway, The Pasadena Freeway and the San Diego
              Freeway. Go back to Tofuville.
2008/9/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:51062 Activity:nil
9/4     Regarding the Firefox 3 memory usage question that I asked on 8/29,
        here are some new numbers (VM Size in MB reported by Task Manager):
                                        2.0.0.16        3.0.1
        - Startup, empty the cache.     13              23
        - Go to http://www.yahoo.com          17              40
        - Open 6 news pages in          43              69
          6 new tabs.
        - Close the 6 tabs above.       35              54
        - Open the same 6 news pages    44              71
          in 6 new tabs again.
        - Close the 6 tags again.       38              53
        So, after opening and closing the same tabs a second time, Firefox 3
        still uses more memory than Firefox 2.  Any idea?  Thanks.
        \_ Dunno, I notice better memory usage with lots of tabs open.
           Firefox 2 used to go into the 500 MB range after a while,
           Firefox 3 typically doesn't go above 400 MB.
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51063 Activity:nil
9/4     R Rep calls Obama "uppity"
        http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/westmoreland-calls-obama-uppity-2008-09-04.html
        \_ Let me spell it out for you.
           U P P I T Y N E G R O.  there.  happy?
        \_ "they're a member of an elitist-class individual that thinks that
           they're uppity," Does that even make sense to anyone here?  It's
           a grammatical mishmash.
           \_ "Elitist" is code for "uppity" in this election.  This rep
              is just letting the veil slip a little.  Note that he
              repeated "uppity" again when asked to clarify.
              \_ So what was it code for in the last election?
                 \_ Catholic.
              \_ That doesn't really answer the question
                 A) He's a member of an individual?
                 B) He thinks he's uppity?  Does it make sense for someone to
                    think they are uppity?
                 Actually, saying elitist means uppity makes even less sense,
                 then he's part of an uppity class that thinks he's uppity.
              \_ Meh, that's just the kind of think the race obsessed say when
                 they can't find any actual racism.
                 \_ Meh, that's just the sort of thing white people say when
                    they don't want to admit their own racism.
                    \_ Haha. Keep chasing your tail.
2008/9/4-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:51064 Activity:nil
9/4     Michael Reagan compares Palin to his Dad with, IMHO unintentional,
        hilarious effect.  http://csua.org/u/m9f
2008/9/4-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:51065 Activity:nil
9/4     Even Mormons aren't Creationists.  I really can't handle having
        #2 in line believing the earth is only 3000 years old.
        \_ Depends on how you define "Creationists".  Young-earth creationists
           believe the earth is less than 10K years old, but no one believes
           it's 3K years old.
           \_ Because, of course, believing that the earth is only 3k years old
              would be silly.
              \_ But 10k years seems about right.
              \_ My point isn't that 10k is reasonable, just that the 3k
                 number is way off what people actually believe.  2k ago is
                 when Jesus was walking around.  I'm Mormon and believe that
                 God created the world, but the overwhelming evidence is that
                 it was created about 4.5B years ago. -emarkp
                 \_ Is God affected by Gravity?
                    \_ Why are you asking me?  And why do you ask? -emarkp
                    \_ Jesus walked the earth.
                       \_ but did he have to?  He also walked on water.
        \_ Isn't Chinese written history longer than 3000 years?
         \_ The Chinese are Satan's tools.
            \_ Do not anger me, I am Ping!
2008/9/4-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51066 Activity:nil
9/4     An example of PDS:
        http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1116858
        \_ Huh, I thought it looked pretty good.
        \_ I'd keep using terms like PDS if you were.  It makes you look
           so with it and worldly.
           \_ I use it because of the post a few days ago. -op
            \_ No reason to stop now!  Keep at it little dude.
        \_ Are you joking? Critisizing someones hairstyle is hardly a sign
           of derangement.
           \_ I wonder if OP was up in arms about Edwards' 400 dollar haircut.
              Or Cindy McCain's $300,000 outfit.
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