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2008/8/26-9/3 [Politics/Domestic] UID:50965 Activity:nil
8/26    Republicans are getting violent. How far will they go?
        http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=160453
        \_ They're not Republicans, they're Hillary supporters.
        \_ They could be "Recreate '68" type bozos.
2008/8/26-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50966 Activity:nil
8/26    How dare anyone question The One!
        "Obama not only aired a response ad to the spot linking him to William
        Ayers, but he sought to block stations the commercial by warning
        station managers and asking the Justice Department to intervene. The
        campaign also planned to compel advertisers to pressure stations that
        continue to air the anti-Obama commercial."
        http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92PL7400&show_article=1
        \_ Obama's response is pretty funny.  "He blew things up when I was
           eight years old, so it's ok!"  Ummm... what?
        \_ Dittohead desperation level: purple
           \_ Ok, now you're just in denial, troll.
              \_ You aren't really anyone to call someone else a troll, troll.
        \_ typical dictator
        \_ Let's see: someone starts publishing ads slandering you, and you
           turn around and call them on the slander. Hm, yeah, I guess you're
           right; only the guilty would call bullshit, right? Btw, would it
           affect your vote if you knew that McCain had a black baby out of
           wedlock? -krove@csua
2008/8/26-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Law/Court] UID:50967 Activity:nil
8/26    Bernie Ward, super-perv
        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/22/BA0912G3V4.DTL
        \_ Man, that article is full of all kinds of irony.
2008/8/26-9/3 [Consumer/Camera, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:50968 Activity:nil
8/26    Recreate '68 tries to start riot in Denver, is shut down cold
        http://csua.org/u/m6q
        \_ Son, that urine doesn't look healthy.
        \_ Here's a great pic from the Denver post:
           http://www.denverpost.com/denver/ci_10306204
           \_ See, once you start attacking police, you should probably just be
              shot.
              \_ The problem with shooting people (they learned in the 60's)
                 is, even if the people you're shooting at deserve it, there
                 tends to be collateral damage.  I'm very impressed with how
                 these bozos have been handled by the Denver police.  I'd buy
                 'em all doughnuts.
        \_ no one remembers the nice meek protestors who follow the rules and
           tastefully politely hang out in the Freedom Cafe knitting and
           pleasantly expressing their right of free assembly
        \_ Just what exactly are the Recreate 68 people trying to recreate?
           The only thing that comes to mind for me is that MLK and RFK were
           both assasinated leading up to the DNC.
2008/8/26-9/3 [Finance/Investment] UID:50969 Activity:nil
8/26    I just place limit buy on Etrade for X amount worth of $$$ but I
        don't actually have X amount in the trading account. What would
        happen if the order actually executes? Do I owe Etrade a steep %
        of interest or it gets taken out magically from my savings/checking
        accounts?
        \_ The buy probably doesn't execute, unless you have a margin account
           with them.
        \_ I'm going to guess that you get as many shares as you have $$$
           for, but it's possible it will execute and you will have to
           fund the account ASAP (plus fees, I'm sure). This will depend
           on your brokerage, so ask them and not us.
2008/8/26-9/3 [Industry/Startup, Finance/Investment] UID:50970 Activity:moderate
8/26    I just bought GOOG at 500 last week, WHY IS IT DOWN??? What's
        up? I don't see any news that would indicate that it's in
        trouble. Argh!                          -newbie investor
        \_ http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=324097
           Opinion: Why Google has lost its mojo -- and why you should care
           Sorry. You should have shorted it.
           \_ that article is awful.
        \_ if you're going to freak out every time a stock you own goes down,
           you shouldn't be investing in the stock market.  What's your
           time horizon on GOOG?  -tom
           \_ I'm looking at maybe 5 years? -op
              \_ So don't worry about the stock price.  Do you think the
                 company has changed since last week?  -tom
                 \_ No, but it's possible sentiment has. GOOG was driven to
                    heights by investor sentiment more than by any actual
                    quantitative analysis. Number of insider buys over
                    the last year: 0. 399 sells, though.
                    \_ GOOG was driven to heights by making enormous gobs
                       of money.  They appear to still be making enormous
                       gobs of money.  If you believe they will stop making
                       money, sell.  If you believe they'll continue to grow
                       and make more money, don't worry about the stock
                       price.  "In the short term, the stock market is a
                       voting machine, in the long term, it's a weighing
                       machine. --Buffett".  -tom
                       \_ Interesting that insiders don't see it as a buy,
                          but as a sell. As for the long term, how did
                          GOOG do 5 years ago? Oh wait, it wasn't around.
                          Nice quote from Buffett. I doubt he owns GOOG.
                          \_ Isn't this what they mean when they say
                             "X continues to defy analysts expectations"?
                          \_ Why would insiders buy, when they already have
                             stock built into their compensation package?
                             And of course insiders sell; that's what
                             happens when you use stock or stock options
                             as part of compensation.  Microsoft had 77k
                             shares purchased, 40 million shares sold by
                             insiders.  That has nothing to do with the
                             propsects of the company; it just has to do
                             with whether people's options are above water
                             or not.  -tom
                             \_ Would you buy if you strongly felt it would
                                double in a year and the market was
                                undervaluing it? I'm not saying it's a
                                predictor necessarily, but 399 sells and 0
                                buys doesn't fill me with warm fuzzies.
                                \_ you really have no idea what you're
                                   talking about.  -tom
                                   \_ Nice rebuttal. Did you spend all day
                                      coming up with that?
                                      Maybe you should read some of these
                                      papers:
                                      http://tinyurl.com/5ahs5d
                                      One of his conclusions:
                                      "This paper provides evidence that
                                      insiders possess, and trade upon,
                                      knowledge of specific and
                                      economically-significant forthcoming
                                      accounting disclosures as long as
                                      two years prior to the disclosure.
                                      Stock sales by insiders increase
                                      three to nine quarters prior to a
                                      break in a string of consecutive
                                      increases in quarterly earnings.
                                      Insider stock sales are greater for
                                      growth firms, before a longer period
                                      of declining earnings, and when the
                                      earnings decline the break is
                                      greater. Consistent with avoiding an
                                      established legal jeopardy, there is
                                      little abnormal selling in the two
                                      quarters immediately prior to the
                                      break."
                                      Another addressing the <DEAD>dot.com<DEAD> bubble:
                                      "Furthermore, stock corrections
                                      after the bubble burst are strongly
                                      negatively associated with estimated
                                      levels of earnings management and
                                      insider selling during the bubble."
                                      \_ how about this: find a technology
                                         company that uses stock-based
                                         compensation, that has gone up in
                                         stock price over the past year,
                                         that doesn't have a huge amount
                                         of insider selling.   -tom
                                         \_ That's the catch. If the stock
                                            went up significantly then why
                                            would they buy? It's already
                                            higher than their built-in price
                                            target. If you only look at
                                            companies whose stock has gone
                                            up of course you will find few
                                            buyers: It's overpriced! Why not
                                            find one which has few sales, or at
                                            least a better ratio than 399:0?
                                            AAPL has had some inside buyers. I
                                            am not sure GOOG has ever had an
                                            insider buy. (Not that I could
                                            find.) Are you implying this guy's
                                            research is garbage? It implies
                                            that insiders trade on knowledge
                                            they have, which anyone with common
                                            sense would think is a sound
                                            conclusion. Compare AAPL to
                                            GOOG. AAPL has some buyers. I
                                            am not sure GOOG has ever had
                                            an inside buy.
                                            conclusion.
                                            \_ In the last 6 months Apple has
                                               zero insider purchases and
                                               > 1 million shares sold by
                                               insiders (14.6% of the total
                                               insider holdings).  That's
                                               just what happens when stocks
                                               go up.  That doesn't mean the
                                               stock is overpriced; it means
                                               that people are exercising
                                               options and having to sell
                                               to cover taxes, or just taking
                                               profits.  If you are getting
                                               stock-based compensation, it's
                                               probably a stupid idea to
                                               buy more stock in your company;
                                               you should be diversifying.
                                                 -tom
                                            \_ AAPL has had zero insider buys
                                               and over 1 million shares sold
                                               in the past 6 months (16% of
                                               insider holdings).  That's just
                                               what happens when you have
                                               stock-based compensation; people
                                               sell to cover taxes on their
                                               option exercises, or they just
                                               take profits.  It is generally
                                               stupid to buy stock in your
                                               company when you already get
                                               paid partly in stock; you
                                               should diversify.  -tom
        \_ shouldn't you be shorting GOOG at 100 ?
           \_ I'm not the short GOOG at 100 guy -op, different guy
2008/8/26 [Uncategorized] UID:50971 Activity:nil
8/26    Dave Freeman, an advertising agency executive who co-wrote "100 Things
        to Do Before You Die," an adventure-seeking and often unconventional
        travel guide that personified the way he lived his life, has died.
        He was 47.
        Freeman died Aug. 17 after falling and hitting his head at his home in
        Venice, said his father, Roy.
        lolz.
        \_ two questions for you, paolo:
           1) "lolz" is fucking stupid.  Are you brain damaged?
           2) What's funny about this?    -tom
2008/8/26-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:50972 Activity:nil
8/26    Gary Glitter spent months in a Vietnamese prison cell.  Can I vote
        for him too?
        \_ that's a fit punishment for writing "Rock and Roll Part II".  -tom
        \_ What are you talking about?
           \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Glitter
              \_ I know who Glitter is--I didn't ask *who* the op was talking
                 about.
                 \_ Did you see the part about how he was sent to jail in
                    Vietnam?
        \_ BUD DAY doesn't appreciate what you are trying to imply here.
        \_ OJ Simpson is a black celebrity.  Can I vote for him too?
           \_ Your analogy doesn't hold since Barack Obama isn't so much a
              celebrity as a politician. Your analogy would work somewhat
              better if you stated that the similarity between OJ and Barack
              is that they're both black, but that would make you sound
              racist, esp. as op drew parallels between experience and not
              skin color. Would you like to try again?
              \_ No, because you are incredibly stupid and not worth
                 conversing with.
                 \_ Yay! Win by annoying you! Yay!
2008/8/26-9/3 [Uncategorized] UID:50973 Activity:nil
8/26    I *hate* it when that happens
        http://failblog.org/2008/08/26/golfing-fail
        \_ Too bad, I was hoping these idiots would fall over and
           crack on their heads.
2008/8/26-9/3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50974 Activity:nil
8/26    http://kernel.org seems down and I'm unable to install git-core via
        macports. is there anything I can do to get this installed? thx
        \_ sure,  use the magic Facebook mirror
           http://mirror.facebook.com/kernel.org
           \_ amazing! thanks. that worked. so this is like the new
              and improved (tm) http://archive.org wayback machine?
           \_ amazing! thanks. that worked.
        \_ in the future, you could also try www{2,3,4}.kernel.org,
           http://www.eu.kernel.org http://www.us.kernel.org etc.
2008/8/26-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50975 Activity:nil
8/26    I've been wondering about the Georgian side of the story, here it is
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/6bn2co
        Very interesting.
        \_ Can you summarize? I'm not going to read this unless it blames
           Obama for the whole thing.
        \_ Can you summarize? I'm not going to read this unless it blames
           McCain for the whole thing.
        \_ Can you summarize? I'm not going to read this unless it blames
           Bush for the whole thing.
        \_ Can you summarize? I'm not going to read this unless it blames
           Putin for the whole thing.
        \_ Can you summarize? I'm not going to read this unless it blames
           Rice for the whole thing.
        \_ Can you summarize? I'm not going to read this unless it blames
           Gorbachev for the whole thing.
           {Obama,McCain,Bush,Putin,Rice,Gorby} for the whole thing.
           \_ No, if I could summerize in 80 characters, it would not be very
              interesting.  I will say this explanation makes much more sense
              than the reported one, although I would need futher confirmation
              to totally believe it. It does have much less "WTF?".
        \_ This is the part I don't understand.  It is Georgia started the
           whole thing, knowning fully well that Russian is going to step in.
           Now, they are crying foul?
           \_ So, you didn't read the article?
2008/8/26-9/3 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50976 Activity:nil
8/26    Damn wind turbines.  They're exploding all our bats!
        http://tinyurl.com/5hfhj5
2008/8/26-30 [Recreation/Dating] UID:50977 Activity:low
8/26    Hey, motd boob guy, I have got a story for you:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/6gkcae
        \_ No pics, damn.
        \_ I don't understand her outrage. She's got metal on her body. How
           does the TSA know it's a bra and not a box cutter or whatever?
           They have to err on the side of caution, because otherwise
           someone will smuggle something in their bra and they will be
           taken to task for not being diligent.
           \_ a 9/11-style takeover with box cutters would not be possible
              anymore; keeping people from bringing nail clippers or swiss
              army knives on planes does nothing meaningful for security.
              \_ Thank you Security Guru. Don't quit your day job.
                 \_ There is no way that confiscating nail clippers makes
                    anyone more safe. It is a "feel good measure" and nothing
                    more, just like most of what the TSA does.
           \_ The amount of metal in an underwire bra is very small, and
              overwhelmingly the choice for large-breasted women because of the
              support.  So why are the sensors tuned up so high as to detect
              that tiny amount of metal?
              \_ How else would they have an excuse to strip "A big-busted
                 woman wearing a large underwire bra"?
              \_ Do you want them to detect metal or not? The amount is not
                 very small if you've ever taken apart a bra, by the way,
                 and they have no idea of knowing it's even the bra that's
                 setting the sensor off until they check. She can say it's
                 her bra, but who is to know?
2008/8/26-9/3 [Uncategorized] UID:50978 Activity:nil
8/26    natalie coughlin about to get married
        i lost my chance!
        \_ You had a chance with her?
           \_ tjb part deux
              \_ ob i denied her sex that's why she won gold
2008/8/26-29 [Uncategorized] UID:50979 Activity:nil
8/26    Okay, this is a lame request, but I need a copy of IE 6 for Windows
        unpatched (SP 0, if you will). I cannot seem to find it. -ausman
        \_ http://browsers.evolt.org
           \_ Thanks! -ausman
        \_ I could probably arrange to get you a giant 3 gig VM, would that
           work?
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