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2008/8/8-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50816 Activity:nil
8/8     Russia invades Georgia
        \_ Welcome back Soviets, we missed you.
        \_ They picked the luckiest day to invade!
        \_ Anyone have any idea what's really going on here?  Georgia wants
           to join Nato and be west aligned, so Russia has been supporting
           some rebel/seperatist groups?  These groups are Russian citizens
           or what?  I don't really get that part.  Georgia just made a major
           offensive against a seperatist group and crushed them, so Russia
           is rolling in the tanks?
           \_ There's a population of ethnic Russians in that region of Georgia
              who want to break away and join Russia. Mind you, given Russia's
              opposition to Kosovar independence and Chechnyan separatists,
              the irony is appalling.
              \_ Just curious, was that population of ethnic Russians shipped
                 there by the soviets?  They did that with some areas.
                 \_ Turns out (on closer viewing) that the separatists are a
                    different ethnic population from Russia and Georgia. As
                    usual, the BBC has an excellent primer on the region:
2008/8/8-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:50817 Activity:high
8/8     Edwards admits affair, doesn't admit for being incredible
        stupid dumbass who apparently thought having an affair and having
        his life withstand the scrutiny of being a viablepres. candidate
        were sustainable
        \_ He's a Democrat. This is expected. No big deal. Suck dick,
           fuck pussy, whatever. Just don't do anything stupid like
           invading a country and getting ourselves into deep shit.
           Look you fucking Conservatives. Adultery is a sustainable
           business. Invading countries in the Holy Name of Freedom
           is NOT a sustainable business. Ok?
           \_ Liberals invaded Vietnam and Korea.  Actually, liberals invaded
              Iraq too, in the Senate anyway.  Atheist liberals ran the USSR.
              Look at the subways and efficient apartment buildings they built.
              Iraq was a fucked up country already.  I don't like that I had
              to spend my tax dollars fixing their problems but in the long
              run they will probably be better off.  I dunno about us being
              better off though.  Also, Bush != "Conservatives".  Bush is
              not a classical conservative.
              \_ "Liberals" invaded Vietnam and North Korea? Wtf are you
                 talking about? If you mean that Democrats got us involved in
                 those two conflicts, you seriously need to read a book some
                 time. The people who ran the Soviet Union are not the same
                 as the Clintons. Get out of the 50s. Wake up. -!pp
                 \_ Harry Truman.
                    \_ What, are you channeling Batman from the video below?
                       You're not making any sense. What are you trying to
                       \_ "...liberals invaded Iraq too..." It's almost like
                          they're proud of being ignorant.
                       \_ Harry Truman was President when Vietnam started.
                          He was a Democrat.
                          \_ And? When did this supposed invasion occur?
                             \_ Well, I might argue it was when the first
                                American soldiers entered S. Vietnam. Or
                                could be during LBJ's term with passing of
                                the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
                                the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. The start
                                and escalation of the conflict happened
                                with Democrats in office. They could have
                                just sent all Americans home but instead
                                sent troops. Sending troops is an invasion.
                             \_ In earnest after Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,
                                but before then even. Troops were pulled
                                out under a Republican, of course.
                                \_ Send combat troops to aid friendly
                                   govt. != invade. Running away !=
                                   pulling troops.
                                   \_ Ask the Vietnamese if they consider
                                      it an invasion.
                                      \_ North or South?
                                         \_ Either/or. Fully 80% of Vietnamese,
                                            whether in the North or South,
                                            considered the US an unwanted
                                            aggressor. It's one reason we
                                            left. No one wanted us there
                                            except a minority of elites.
                          \_ Truman? Are you proud of being ignorant? The
                             puppet state was set up by Eisenhower.
                             \_ Are you proud of being a douchebag?
                                Truman started it. (D)  Kennedy was the first
                                to send combat troops. (D)
                                \_ You keep saying that "Truman started it" but
                                   you are unable to explain what you mean by
                                   "it." The nation of Vietnam? It has existed
                                   for at least 1000 years. Try again, in
                                   English this time.
                                   \_ Duh, US military involvement in Vietnam.
                                      Do you have a cognitive impediment?
                                      The point was, Democrats got us involved
                                      in the Vietnam War (and Korea). Why not
                                      explicitly say whatever it is you think
                                      refutes this instead of dancing around
                                      with your head in your ass?
                                      (the puppet government is irrelevant)
                                      \_ Christ, if you're going to go down
                                         this route, why not just say that
                                         Wilson started it when he wouldn't
                                         hear out Ho Chi Minh's proposal for
                                         Viet independence after the signing
                                         of the Treaty of Versailles?
                                         \_ Because Kennedy and LBJ are the
                                            ones who actually started US
                                            combat operations in Vietnam.
                                            Keep dancing.
                                      \_ I can't wipe out a lifetime of
                                         ignorance in a few paragraphs, sorry.
                                         From the Vietnamese eyes, the
                                         Vietnamese war of independence started
                                         in 1885. The first direct US involve-
                                         ment in Vietnam was during WWII, so you
                                         might as well blame FDR. The actual
                                         Civil War between north and south
                                         started during Eisenhower and JFK sent
                                         sent first US combat troops Trying to pin
                                         US involvement in Vietname on Truman
                                         is just bizarre.
                                         sent first US combat troops. Trying to
                                         pin US involvement in Vietname on
                                         pin US involvement in Vietnam on
                                         Truman is just bizarre.
                                         \_ Truman was President first and
                                            the US was already involved
                                            militarily by the time Eisenhower
                                            was elected. However, you can blame
                                            FDR, too, if you want.
                             \_ Google MAAG
                                Besides, we sure were lucky D's were
                                elected and stopped the conflict before it
                                got out of hand!
                                \_ So your claim is that the US/Vietnam conflict
                                   started while Vietnam was still a French
                                   colony under French control? How did you do
                                   in your history classes? Get any A's?
                                   colony under French control?
                                   \_ No, my claim is that US military
                                      involvement started then.
                 \_ You're wrong.
                    \_ Am I? Whew. Thank you for, um, your convincing
                       argument backed up with facts.
                       \_ My point exactly!  Have a cigar.  And a dick.
                          \_ No thanks, you're a big enough dick for
                             the both of us.
        \_ Shit, good thing the Democrats didn't nominate him.
        \_ What happened to 'mccain has affair, nytimes reports on it,
           mccain served in vietnam so no one follows up'
2008/8/8-13 [Uncategorized] UID:50818 Activity:nil
8/8     I find this video incredibly amusing
        [Batman is hard to understand]
2008/8/8-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50819 Activity:nil
8/8     One Nation, Under a New Obama Salute (USNews)
        Whoever thought this was good idea....
        \_ Clearly stolen from Star Trek
           \_ Who must have stolen it from the University of Oregon.
2008/8/8-13 [Consumer/CellPhone, Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:50820 Activity:nil
8/8     Should I pwn/unlock my iPhone 3g?  Anyone do this yet and regret it?
        \_ pwn it.  But don't upgrade to 2.0.1 firmware yet.
Do you want to customize your iPhone and put different icons on it? --oj
           Do you want to customize your iPhone and put different icons on
           it? --oj
           \_  Too late on the upgrade...and yes I would like to customize it,
               but more than just different icons.  I was more interested in
               running Python scripts or NES emulators.  Thanks. -scottyg
2008/8/8-13 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50821 Activity:nil
        "WASHINGTON (AFP) - US and British researchers have *confirmed* the
        link between warmer climate and an increase in powerful rainstorms,
        according to a study released Thursday that underscores one of the
        challenges of global warming."
2008/8/8-13 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:50822 Activity:nil
8/8     Just got my 16GB Rally2 USB flash drive, for $50.  I can't believe the
        pace of technology.
        \_ has an 8GB Kingston DataTraveler 100 for $20+s/h.
2008/8/8-11 [Uncategorized] UID:50823 Activity:nil
8/8     GO HOME EARLY. Traffic will be horrible due to Olympics.
        \_ ?
2008/8/8-11 [Uncategorized] UID:50824 Activity:low
8/8     Have you guys ever a really old woman and said to yourself
        WOW she's suppose to be 6X 7X? I bet she was a total hottie
        when she was younger!
        \_  Age 60.
        \_ Not really. More like seen a picture of a hottie from back in
           the day and then compared to now. For example, Sophia Loren,
           Liz Taylor, Racquel Welch, or (before she died) Rita Hayworth:
           Liz Taylor, Raquel Welch, or (before she died) Rita Hayworth:
           The one that always throws me is Angela Lansbury.
           \_ Watch the (very enjoyable) "The Court Jester" to see Angela
              Lansbury at her best.
              \_ Seen it:
                 "The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon;
                  the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true."
        \_ GMILF
2008/8/8-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50825 Activity:kinda low
8/8     Drive Naked, Save America   []
        \_ Is this worse or better than reducing the national speed
           limit back to 55 (and 65 in some cases)?
        \_ This is better than handing out tire gauges how?
           \_ For one thing, there would be lots of naked chicks on the road.
              \_ And more accidents.
        \_ Drilling for oil in the OCS is going to have a negligible effect,
           too. As much as it will pain conservatives, they are just going
           to have to learn to live with less oil.
           \_ And you won't?
              \_ Since I already don't own a car, I doubt it will have a
                 huge impact on me. Perhaps on food prices, but that is
                 a very small part of my budget.
                 \_ The price of oil affects the price of almost everything.
                      Too bad the conservatives blocked the CAFE standards
                      from going up for all those years.
                      \_ Yeah, incinerating trash sure sounds environmentally
        \_ This is moronic.  Way more oil would have to go towards climate
           control because clothing helps people regulate temperature. This
           guy ridicules Obama for proposing a good idea and being stumped
           that the Republicans would mock him for it.  Its dumbass partisan
           politics to mock someone for an idea you agree with.  May as well
           mock yourself.
2008/8/8-13 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:50826 Activity:low
8/8     Interest rates have risen over the past several years, but for now
        are still at historically low levels.  Favorable interest rates,
        combined with the new first-time homebuyer tax credit of 10% of the
        price of a home (up to a maximum of $7,500, applicable to certain
        home buyers) might add up to a good time for you to start searching
        for your new home.
        \_ if I wait, I can collect more cash, wait for interest rates to go
           up, which will cause house values to go down.  Then I can buy:
           - a cheaper house
           - with higher interest rates
           - and a smaller mortgage (on account of a cheaper house and having
             more cash)
           - and I can refi if the interest rate drops
           - and live like a renter for the next 3 years while the other guy
             is 3 years into his $800K mortgage already
             is 3 years into his $800K mortgage already
             \_ What if it's not 3 years? What if rates rise but prices
                don't fall enough to offset them? If you can comfortably
                afford to buy now then just buy now. If you can't then don't.
                PS. Is there some reason you keep deleting this?
                \_ it's not me that's deleting it.
                   if I can comfortably rent, why not rent?  I can always buy
                   later with more down payment.
                   \_ How do you know that home prices are going to go down?
                      Which area are you interested in?
                      \_ how do you know home prices are going up?
                         \_ I don't know which way they are going to go. Neither
                            do you, actually, you are taking a chance.
                            \_ I agree.
2008/8/8-13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:50827 Activity:nil
8/8     The Tiananmen Massacre Map
         In that 1989 article, in the closing paragraph, I tried to set down
        something that still applies today; not least as visitors to Beijing
        survey the massive security efforts, not all of which are intended
        strictly to protect the Olympics:
         "No doubt when the Chinese government has finished dealing with its
        people, the tidy square will be presented again as a suitable site for
        tourists, visiting dignitaries and the Chinese public to come honor the
        heroes of China's glorious revolution. It will be important then to
        remember the heroes of 1989, the people who cried out so many times
        these past six weeks, .Tell the world what we want. Tell the truth
        about China.' "
2008/8/8-13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:50828 Activity:nil
8/8     China Olympics opening ceremony is currently sucking like GWB.
        \_ The ceremony looked great to me, but while I was watching I kept on
           thinking about the % of annual GDP that it was burning.
           thinking about the % of annual GDP that it had burned.
           \_ It cost very little. Most of it was manpower. Cheap Chink
              power, in the millions.
              \_ I read it cost $300M.
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