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2008/8/6-10 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:50790 Activity:nil
8/5     Hey blojo got a game up on xbox live:
        http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/b/braidxboxlivearcade/default.htm
        Guess he finally finished something!!!
        \_ Braid looks beautiful. I hope they port it to other platforms.
        \_ It totally sucks that, while the game costs 15 dollars, you can
           have to spend 25 dollars to buy enough points to buy the damn
           game.  Microsoft is a bunch of fuckers.
           \_ What are you talking about?  I bought a $20 card the other day...
            \_ The only way you can buy points online at least are in
               bunches of $12.50.
2008/8/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50791 Activity:low
8/6     Maybe Obama is just too weird
        http://tinyurl.com/59325e
        \_ What, you aren't going with the tire guage attack?
           Maybe you can go the "celeb" route and attack him for being too
           damn charismatic.  I mean shit, that's always a good reason to
           hate some.
           \_ Oh man, I so want one of those tire gauges.  Pure comedy. -!pp
           \_ Wow, I didn't even know about the tire gauge attacks. The
              Republicans are attacking Obama now because he told them
              the truth about something? The GOP is more out of touch and
              delusional than I had even imagined. And I imagined that they
              were pretty out of touch.
              "It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant," Obama said.
              \_ The truth?  Obama's "inflate your tires == drilling" moment is
                 the truth?  Sorry, not so.
                 \_ Ahh, there we go.  I've been waiting for you to start
                    spewing this kind of crap.  Are you going to start
                    ranting about how obama thought he claimed tire guages
                    next?
                    \_ "Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple
                       thing, but we could save all the oil that they're
                       talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was
                       just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups.
                       You could actually save just as much." -- Obama
                       \_ And?  Someone asked "How can I help?" and Obama
                          told him.  How DARE he!  Let's go give McCain a huge
                          campagin donation so he will change his votes on
                          offshore drilling!  (Oh wait, too late)
                          \_ Obama made a specific claim:  that proper
                             inflation on your tires, regular oil changes, and
                             tune ups would save *AS MUCH OIL* as we'd get from
                             increased drilling.  This is patently false, and
                             simply laughable.  It also doesn't take into
                             account how to *grow* our economy.
                             \_ You are as ignorant as Limbaugh.
                                \_ Ad hominem!  Excellent sir!
                                   \_ "Simply laughable."
                                      \_ Why is it simply laughable?
                             \_ Do you believe that we cannot grow our economy
                                without increasing oil consumption?
                       \_ Is Obama correct? Inflating your tires would
                          save more oil than we would get by drilling
                          offshore. You do know that Obama is correct about
                          this, right?
                          http://preview.tinyurl.com/6oy9uk
                          \_ Nope:  http://preview.tinyurl.com/5fqnrq
                             \_ In other words, Obama was right. Powerline adds
                                in 1T barrels from Oil Shale, which is clearly
                                not gotten by drilling.
                                \_ Um, no.  The barrels/day extracted number is
                                   based on the *profitable* extraction, where
                                   oil was at $60/barrel in 2008 -- which it
                                   isn't.
                                   \_ Dude, you are amazing.  I want to have
                                      sex with you RIGHT NOW.
                                   \_ So you honestly believe that some
                                      partisan blogger is more accurate in his
                                      prediction of how much energy is
                                      profitably extractable from the OCS than
                                      the experts? Simply laughable.
                                      \_ Appeal to authority!  Excellent if you
                                         don't care about the truth of an
                                         argument.
                                         \_ Too bad Obama listens to guys
                                            like petroleum engineers and guys
                                            who are petroleum engineers and guys
                                            with PhDs in economics. He could be
                                            like the GOP and get all his
                                            policy ideas from blowhard internet
                                            bloggers who have so far never
                                            been right about anything. But then
                                            he would be a Republican, not a
                                            Democrat. "It's like these guys
                                            take pride in being ignorant."
                                            been right about anything. "It's
                                            like these guys take pride in
                                            being ignorant."
                                            \_ The quote I saw had Obama
                                               doing his own poorly thought
                                               out back of the evelope
                                               calculation. -!pp
                                               \_ If true, he deserves to be
                                                  made fun of then.
                                   \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/62asue
                                      Scroll down to the 1T line. Read the
                                      comments section to see where he gets
                                      eviscerated for including oil shale,
                                      I don't have time to repeat it.
                                      Scroll down to the 1T line.
                                      \_ Not only is there the magic 1T
                                         barrels, the dude also ignored
                                         the bit about tuneups.  Nor is that
                                         Obama's energy plan.  It is his
                                         answer to "how can I help."  Energy
                                         plans good.  Personal conservation,
                                         especailly "free" conservation good.
                                         Combined even better.  Why does that
                                         make you so sad?  Is it too communist
                                         for you or something?
                                         \_ Uh, modern cars don't have tuneups.
                                          \_ Uh, yes they do.  But instead of
                                             not working without them they
                                             tend just to work less
                                             efficiently.  Still, moving parts
                                             go out of tolerances after 1000's
                                             of miles, modern or not.
2008/8/6-10 [Transportation/Car] UID:50792 Activity:nil
8/6     "Here's your mask to wear.  But don't wear it!"
        link:www.yahoo.com/s/930035
        \_ Heh, I get a chuckle out of China being os testy about this stuff.
           Also, how does 2008 Beijing compare to 1984 LA?  LA was pretty nasty
           back in the 70's, wasn't it?
           \_ la = cars
              beijing = cars + factories
           \_ 84 was in the 70s?
              \_ Har, har.
               \_ Hey, I'm not the guy who wrote "the 70's" right after
                  refering to 1984.
           \_ 1984 LA was awesome. The traffic was great, the weather was
              great, the smog was a non-factor, and events conspired to make it
              one of the most successful Olympics ever.
2008/8/6-10 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:50793 Activity:nil
8/6     Q: How to defeat a B-2 Stealth Bomber?
        A: Use a water spray bottle.
        http://www.csua.org/u/m0x (telstarlogistics.typepad.com)
        \_ Whoops!
        \_ These kinds of mistakes happen more than you might think.  I read
           the black box account of a plane that had tape over the airspeed
           intakes (to protect them while washing).  The airplane was lost in
           the ocean when it stalled.
           \_ If an airspeed intake can crash the plane that's a faulty design.
              \_ pitot (French) tube blockage (bug) is one of the most
                 common reasons why they crash, esp in IFR conditions.
                 Auto pilot depends on it too.
                 http://selair.selkirk.bc.ca/aerodynamics1/Basics/Page6.html
                 By the way I'm a private pilot, ask me any question.
                 \_ any good air speed measurement technologies that don't
                    depend on pitot tubes?
                    \_ Yes there are plenty, the issue is not alternative
                       technology but rather COST. For general aviation,
                       pitot tube is a proven, CHEAP, and usually reliable
                       instrument. As a pilot, most of your training is
                       failure recovery and safety. For instrumentation errors
                       you need to first 1) recognize instrumentation failure
                       and 2) how to compensate for what you think failed.
                       Your basic GA panel consists of the "Big 6", which
                       are: (top)ASI, AI, ALT, (bottom)TC, HI, VSI. Of these,
                       ASI, ALT, and VSI are independently working pressure
                       static oriented, and AI, TC, and HI are gyro operated.
                       It takes a lot of time to explain this but if you're
                       missing one instrument, you can infer its status by
                       reading and correctly interpreting the other 5. I'm
                       also missing one more instrument: Tachometer. If you
                       know your exact attitude (HI or visual) and the
                       tachometer, then you can infer AS pretty well. Keep
                       in mind that ASI, ALT, and VSI operate INDEPENDENTLY
                       regardless of battery or engine failure so you already
                       have lots of redundancy behind a well trained pilot.
                       In addition, most AI, HI, and TC, are vacuum driven
                       from the pump (and some even have electrical motor
                       backup) so as long as your engine is running it
                       doesn't matter if your electronics fry.
                         For big planes they use a combination of redundant
                       pitot tube+anti-defrost+(GPS+weather estimate) and
                       other fancy stuff. I don't know the exact details
                       because I don't have Type Ratings yet.
                         If you're curious:
                       http://www.flightsimbooks.com/foi/chapter1.php
                       http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/startfly/panel.html
                       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_instruments
           \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroPeru_Flight_603
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birgenair_Flight_301
              second one is another blocked pitot crash.  But yes, it's sort
              of a design flaw and it sounds like they have better
              recommendations now
        \_ To be fair, the problem was the ground crews messing with the
           gauges, which would have been fine otherwise.
           \_ I read an article previously that claimed that this had happened
              before, but the ground crew had dried out the sensors, rather
              than adujsting them, so no failure.
              \_ How does the B-2 fly in rain, or very humid weather where
           condensation can form?
                 condensation can form?  -- OP
2008/8/6-10 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:50794 Activity:nil
8/6     funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbm8sV6IKk
        \_ no.
2008/8/6-10 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:50795 Activity:nil
8/6     Here's an interesting little write up on bicycle efficiency and power
        http://users.frii.com/katana/biketext.html
        \_ Bicycle physics (mostly steering mechanisms):
           http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~fajans/Teaching/bicycles.html  -tom
2008/8/6-10 [Recreation/Humor] UID:50796 Activity:nil
8/6     I know you're all reading it anyway, but todays xkcd was funny
        http://www.xkcd.com/459
        \_ are you also the one who thought the above youtube was funny?
2008/8/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:50797 Activity:nil
8/5     here's an article on how the FBI's case against the dead
        bioweapons scientist is a bunch of crap
        http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/05/anthrax/index.html
        I did think the weird 'he mailed the stuff from a mailbox
        near a sorority' stuff was weird sounding.
        \_ The government pulls this kind of crap all the time, but usually
           they just lie abaout some evidence they planted on some poor
           ass drug dealer, so no one cares.
        \_ We know this much: It was one of 12 scientists in that lab.
           Why not this one? He seems as wacky as any. On top of it, he
           killed himself. I refuse to believe that it was just because of
           the pressure he was under. He did it when the government was
           finally ready to move on him. Or maybe he was really murdered
           by the Mossad. Also, the article seems to give Ivins a lot of
           leeway, insinuating that because he had a legitimate use for a
           lyophilizer he clearly didn't have a nefarious use for it.
           Isn't that what a smart guy would do? Claim to need it for his
           work (which he did) to throw off suspicion?
           work (which he did) to throw off suspicion? Means, motive,
           opportunity. More info released today, btw.
           \_ I remember when suggestions were made back in 2001 that the
              the quality of the Anthrax powder was so good that only the
              US government or perhaps the Russian government could be
              the source, the people saying this were widely dismissed as
              conspiracy theorists. Well, surprise, surprise, surprise, it
              was a US government scientist all along.
              \_ Conspiracy theorists are like a broken clock. If you claim
                 everything is a conspiracy eventually you'll be right.
2008/8/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50798 Activity:nil
8/6     Wow, welcome to the new McCarthy Era
        "But you'd think an arch conservative working in an overwhelmingly
        liberal town would think about restraining himself for expediency's
        sake, if nothing else."
        http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/07/scratch_him.php
        \_ Yes, it's exactly like the McCarthy Era.  (How did you get into
           Berkeley again?)
           \_ By banging yer mom.
        \_ Do you think he will end up blackballed? If he is, you can
           complain about McCarthyism.
           \_ The senate is holding hearings about this?  Really?  And
              to think that just a week or two ago I was reading about
              how a recent administration was using string loyalty tests
              how a recent administration was using strong loyalty tests
              for non partisan justice department jobs.
2008/8/6-10 [Uncategorized] UID:50799 Activity:nil
8/6     Ding Dong, Medellin is dead.
        \_ Serves him right for setting up that vicious cocaine cartel.
2008/8/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:50800 Activity:nil
8/6     Pro-US rallies greet Bush in Seoul.
        http://csua.org/u/m12  (Blog w/ pics & vid and link to Rueters)
        Actually, when I was a missionary in SK, Bush made a visit
        (Feb 2002).  An odd fellow in the neighborhood brought us a cake
        to give to Bush.  I guess because we were the closest Americans he
        knew.  It said (in Korean) "Welcome Bush".  Anyway, we told him we
        couldn't give it to Bush, so he told us to eat it.  We did. -jrleek
        \_ Good to hear that Bush has done a good job of improving our
           image overseas.
        \_ You ate it?  Wow, you are VERY brave.  I would have assumed
           it was poisoned.
           \_ A) This was 2002. B) We knew the guy, he was harmless, just a bit
                 kooky. -jrleek
        \_ We forced them to import our beef again, and they still like us?
           It's not clear from the article what Bush did recently that more
           than offset the negative feeling from the beef issue.
           \_ My understanding is that the protests were less about beef,
              and more about the current SK prez, Lee Myung Bak.  The beef was
              just sort of a handy flashpoint. -jrleek
              Addendum: It was good flashpoint largely because Lee Myung Bak
              was being so high-handed about it and had terrible PR.
        \_ Can someone explain why beef import is such a touchy issue in Korea?
                -clueless
           \_ Again, my impression is that it wasn't that the beef was such a
              huge deal, it's that Lee Myung Pak is pissing everyone off.  He
              seems to think he's Park Chung-hee (The 1st military dictator.)
              My understanding is that it went something like this:
              Lee: We're importing beef again.
              A few protestors: Hey!
              Lee: Stupid poor people, always protesting.
              Everyone else: WTF?  Rawr!
        \_ I talked to my wife about this after I got home.  I had forgotten
           but Lee Myung Bak is/was a member of a VERY large church in Seoul.
           My wife guessed that a large chunk of the pro-US group was from that
           church and 'allied' churches. -jrleek
2008/8/6-10 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:50801 Activity:nil
8/6     What kind of captcha would you love to see? List them here:
        -Hot or not?  TOTALLY
        -Male or Female?
        -Gay or not?
        -Geek or not?
        -enormous breasts or regular size breasts?
        \_ Chinese, Japanese or Korean?
           \_ That would also serve as a test to weed out whites.
                \_ Oh come one.  It's been demonstrated that Asians can't
                   tell each other apart either.
        \_ What's "captcha"?  Thx.
           \_ STFW.  Or just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha
              \_ I see.  But then what does hot or female or gay above have
                 to do with Captcha?
                 \_ Hard to program something to automate that check. It used
                    to be impossible to write a program to recognize the
                    distorted letters and numbers used in older Captcha's, but
                    technology has caught up.
        \_ http://www.badhackerz.com/full-appz/11087-rapidshare-turbo-download-reads-new-cat-captchas.html
2008/8/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:50802 Activity:nil
8/6     "Fakeproof" e-passport is cloned in minutes
        http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4467106.ece
        http://tinyurl.com/62awe6
2008/8/6-10 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50803 Activity:nil 75%like:50805
8/6     Happiness is a clean gun.  Was cleaning my gun last night, and my kids
        wanted to watch.  So we talked about gun safety, etc. (gun is
        disassembled for cleaning).  The discussion turned to linear and
        rotational momentum, chemical vs. nuclear explosions, energy stored in
        a spring, etc.  Lotta fun.
        \_ they won't learn respect until the fire the thing
           \_ They'll have to wait until they're a little older. -op
              \_ And this is the basis for responsible ownership that will
                 make the difference between responsible citizenship and
                 tragic accidental statistic later in their lives.
        \_ ^gun^RPG^penis
           \_ You get chemical explosions from your penis?!?
              \_ ob too much rotational motion
              \_ I have nuclear fusion going on in my balls.
                 \_ Don't you mean nuclear fission?  Nuclear fusion
                    normally happens in the fallopian tubes, IIRC.
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