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| 2008/7/21-23 [Uncategorized] UID:50642 Activity:nil |
7/21 Okay, that had to leave a mark
http://failblog.org/2008/07/21/biking-fail |
| 2008/7/21-23 [Reference/BayArea] UID:50643 Activity:nil |
7/21 San Francisco is a happy happy utopia sanctuary city!
[ad from the city]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ANSs04r9io |
| 2008/7/21-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50644 Activity:high |
7/21 Look at all these corrupt Democrats. But how can this be? Democrats
are supposed to be noble and good. And getting the Green party off
the ballot sounds... undemocratic.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08193/896353-454.stm
\_ They are all HITLER
\_ Corruption seems to be endemic to the human experience,
unfortunately. I don't believe anyone (here) has claimed that
Democrats are all noble and good. Is that a Straw Man you are
furiously bashing?
\_ And yet, strangely, they still won't be the party that sold out the
government to Halliburton, Worldcom, and Enron.
\_ What exactly does "sold out the government" mean?
\_ Started a ruinous war to further profits for.
\_ Yet, strangely, Democrats voted to authorize that war.
An inscrutable contradiction!
Could it be that Democrats also profit from Corporate
America, Inc.?
But that's silly. Corporations are evil and Democrats
are axiomatically good.
\_ And yet, strangely, they're collaborators, not
instigators. Their culpability is still less than that
of the GOP, war-profiteering-wise.
\_ Strangely, I think you need to justify that.
\_ And stranger still, I think the charges need to
be justified first.
\_ A majority of Democrats in Congress voted against the
war, but you already knew that. Don't the facts get
in the way of your supposed rhetorical point.
\_ A majority of Democrats in the Senate voted for it.
Enough in the house to pass the resolution. They
are Democrats. A few Republicans also voted against
it, so what?
\_ An overwhelming majority of Republicans voted
for the resolution and an overwhelming majority
of Democrats voted against it, even when it
took quite a bit of moral and intellectual
courage to do so. The resolution would have
passed without any Democratic support whatsover,
since the GOP was in the majority. Why are you
so hellbent on re-writing history? Are you a
GOP partisan? Ashamed of your earlier war support?
I remember when Bush supporters were smashing
courage to do so. Why are you so hellbent
on re-writing history? Are you a GOP
partisan? Ashamed of your earlier war support?
I remember when war supporters were smashing
shop windows and beating opponents of the war,
where was your outrage then?
\_ I am still wondering why the Democrats didn't try to
impeach Bush. God, they have no balls at all.
Repubs impeach a guy for oral sex while Democrats win
control of Congress and proceed to mostly whine
about a supposed war criminal.
\_ I don't seem them whining about war crimes. Who
does that? Not the mainstream ones, anyway. You
get guys like Paul, Gravel, + Kucinich but nobody
votes for those guys. People vote for the status quo.
\_ You mean they are complicit and aren't opposed to
the war? That makes it better for them? I was
giving them some credit. People voted Dems
into office because they were unhappy with
the Repub leadership and the Dems turned
around and did absolutely nothing. And now
morons believe Obama is gonna change that?
\_ Better to do nothing than to do something
stupid. Stupid.
\_ They did do the stupid thing themselves.
They authorized the war, continue to
fund it, and Obama says he'll keep troops
there indefinitely. Yay.
Politics is all about complaining about
whatever bad thing exists. Like gas prices.
Look at the price of gas! Vote for me!
What am I gonna do about it? Who cares,
vote for me. War? War is bad right? Vote
for me!
\_ More lies. Obama said he will bring
the troops home. Do you get your
playbook from Rove?
the troops home.
\_ That's why the Dems will never get
anything done. They don't want to make
bad decisions. That never stopped the
Republicans, who beat the Dems like a drum.
Good leaders aren't afraid to stick
their necks out. They worry about being
proven right later. I'm not saying bad
decisions are a good thing, but I'd say
no decisions at all is worse. We don't
need a government if we're not going to
take any actions. Just refund the tax
dollars to the citizens then. I think a
token rumbling about impeaching Bush
would have been a good thing, even if
they didn't actually go through with it.
Instead, they approve everything Bush wants.
\_ Kucinich has repeatedly tried to get
articles of impeachment to the House
floor, but cannot get the votes. This is
the way a Democracy works. There are
other ways to win in politics, other
than beating your opponent like a drum.
That is the Rove playbook. Did FDR ever
beat anyone like a drum? No one would
dispute that he got a lot done.
\_ "Did FDR ever beat anyone like a drum?
YES! Geez, don't you know any history?
\_ Where and when? Maybe you define
beating like a drum differently
than me, but mostly FDR was a good
consensus builder, not a 50% + 1
kind of divisive leader like the
Bush/Rove/Cheney gang.
\_ They tried, over and over again, to get a time-
table for withdrawal passed, and you know what
the GOP did? Filibustered. That's right, the
party that threatened the "nukular" option if
the Dems filibustered turned around and fili-
bustered. Couple that with Bush's veto-frenzy,
and the charge that the Dems did nothing
quickly becomes: the GOP cock-blocked every
way they could. But hey, go ahead and blame the
Dems for the GOP's fuckups. |
| 2008/7/21-23 [Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:50645 Activity:nil |
7/21 So, is it a civil war?
\_ Is what a civil war? |
| 2008/7/21-23 [Recreation/Media] UID:50646 Activity:nil |
7/21 Classic works of art re-created using a Star Wars theme.
Beautiful, geeky, and work safe. -alexb
http://www.worth1000.com/contest.asp?contest_id=20242&display=photoshop
\_ There are some nudes, so it depends on your work.
\_ Superb. Thanks for posting. |
| 2008/7/21-23 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50647 Activity:moderate |
7/21 Wouldn't we be better off having an "executive council" of a few people
(e.g. 3) instead of one single elected leader? It would look more
democratic. They could hold terms of 6 yrs each, staggered with
an election every 2 yrs. Majority rule. Plus, watching them bicker with
each other would be fun. Also we'd eliminate the useless VP role.
It works for the Supreme Court, right? We don't have one single Supreme
Judge.
\_ We could have a Politburo, elected by elected representatives of
communes.
\_ We have three branches of government instead of one single
elected leader.
\_ We have one single elected executive, I mean. Besides, the other
branches don't get nearly as much scrutiny as the POTUS. POTUS
is responsible for appointing SCOTUS and all this stuff
that people complain about with Bush.
\_ POTUS focuses a lot of scrutiny by being the sole Executive.
POTUS _nominates_ SCOTUS Justices, but Congress approves or
denies; similarly, Congress proposes legislation which POTUS
approves or denies. The current system of checks and balances
works, if the players are willing to fulfill their roles.
\_ Ok how about: put leader 1 in charge of Air Force, leader
2 in charge of Army, leader 3 gets the Navy. They
can roll dice each week for who gets supreme command.
Ok, just kidding... someone else come up with a motd
subject damnit.
\_ The Triumvarate never worked very well for Rome.
\_ That's not strictly true. It just didn't work out in the long
run.
\_ Neither did Rome. So what? This isn't an argument.
\_ ... dum conderet urbem
inferretque deos Latio; genus unde
Albanique patres atque altae moenia Romae.
...
en huius, nate, auspiciis illa incluta Roma
imperium terris, animos aequabit Olympo,
septemque una sibi muro circumdabit arces,
felix prole uirum
...
tum pater Anchises lacrimis ingressus obortis:
'o gnate, ingentem luctum ne quaere tuorum;
ostendent terris hunc tantum fata nec ultra
esse sinent. nimium uobis Romana propago
uisa potens, superi, propria haec si dona fuissent.
quantos ille uirum magnam Mauortis ad urbem
campus aget gemitus
...
\_ [latin deleted]
\_ I'm adding a translation I found on the internet.
... until he founded a city and brought his gods to Latium:
from that the Latin people came, the lords of Alba Longa,
the walls of noble Rome.
...
Behold, my son, under his command glorious Rome will match
earth's power and heaven's will, and encircle seven hills
with a single wall, happy in her race of men.
...
O, do not ask about your people's great sorrow, my son.
The fates will only show him to the world, not allow him to
stay longer. The Roman people would seem too powerful to
you gods, if this gift were lasting.
\_ Ille ego, qui quondam gracili modulatus auena
carmen, et egressus silvis uicina coegi
ut quamuis auido parerent arua colono
gratum opus agricolis, at nunc horrentia Martis
\_ The Triumvarate "worked" for Rome in a variety of ways
until it didn't. The original statement lacks any rigor.
\_ Since both times it was tried, it led to a civil war,
no further evidence is needed. Unless you think a
civil war every few decades is a good way to run
your government.
\- one of the "Big Questions" in Roman scholarship is
"was the Roman Revolution inevitable" [or more of
a contingent outcome]. RSYME is "the standard"
and one of the important rebuttals/reconsiderations
is by EGRUEN (UCB Dept History...one of the finest
lecturers at Berkeley). Anyway, the "it led to civil
war" is a little glib, like say "the assassination
of Archduke Ferdinand led to WW1".
\_ Worked for Thomas Jefferson.
\- the more appropriate roman analogy would be to the practice of
dual consuls. and there were two Triumvirates ... the
first was an alliance, not a formal structure of govt. and
groups of 3 can be quite unstable because it is open 2:1, so
that may make one "the decider". anyway, it is silly to go on.
\_ Why is that more unstable? With 1, that one is the decider.
\_ See Julius Caesar Act IV, Scene 1
\_ Brain for world emperor:
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| 2008/7/21-23 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:50648 Activity:nil |
7/21 One of the original plaintiffs in the DC v Heller gun case, an openly
gay man's story:
"One night some years ago in San Jose, he found himself confronting a
gang of toughs, as many as 20 of them, intent on gay-bashing him.
Taunted as a "faggot," threatened with death, Palmer (and a friend) ran
for their lives, only to find the gang in hot pursuit. So Palmer
stopped, reached into his backpack, and produced a gun. The gang backed
off."
http://www.reason.com/news/show/125584.html |
| 2008/7/21-23 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50649 Activity:nil |
7/21 Ah, Obama's not a flip-flopper, he's just a liar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHEIi4XKRmM
\_ No, he's HITLER
\_ lol @ your inability to handle Obama criticism
\_ Lol at your weak sauce. !pp
\_ Jan 10, 2007: surge won't work, will increase violence
Jan 5, 2008: I've always said the surge would work
\_ See, just like HITLER
\_ You mean Stalin.
\_ POL POT!!!!!!1one |
| 2008/7/21-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50650 Activity:nil |
7/21 motd boob guy do i have a video for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALl5RYIJuyk
\_ How does her shirt withstand the strain?
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/080723/009677802_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/080723/009677805_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/080723/009677823_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
\_ jesus christ
\_ It's got a special adamantium-based weave. |