Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2008:July:09 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2008/7/9-11 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50503 Activity:low
7/9     Hot!  What's the name of this actress / porn star (not sure which)?
        Thanks a lot!!! (NSFW)
        \_ Dunno, but she's gross. Are you boob guy?
           \_ Asian = gross. Jackie Johnson #1!!!
              \_ There are hot Asians. She's not one of them.
           \_ I'm not *the* MOTD Boob Guy, but I'm a boob guy.
2008/7/9-11 [Finance/CC] UID:50504 Activity:nil
7/9     "Gas stations' sneaky trick"
        I'd think it's illegal unless they display both prices.
        \_ This is a violation of their CC agreement.  They're not supposed to
           charge different prices if you use a CC.
           \- while i believe that is normally true, i think there must be
              some loopholes ... possibly with some "powerful clients" ...
              like ARCOs have officially and openly had cash != credit
              prices for a long time and VISA etc are clearly aware of that.
              it's not like a random cafe having a verbotten "$5 min" clause.
              [BTW, in some "remote" where credit cards are not de rigeur
              but accepted from say tourists, it is totally standard to
              markup by credit card fee ... like say you want to bill a
              tour in nepal to your CC ... in fact, if they dont charge you
              a CC surcharge, you can be real sure you are massively over
2008/7/9-11 [Computer/Networking] UID:50505 Activity:nil
7/9     djb vindicated.  bind 8 sucks.  the Secret Cabal That Runs The
        Internet fixed bind 9.  I will now run qmail and daemontools
        and djbdns exclusively.
        \- i installed djbdns on a machine years ago, and the machine was
           never quite the same after that.
           \_ Preach on, brother!
2008/7/9-11 [Uncategorized] UID:50506 Activity:nil
7/9     What a gorgeous movie about magnetic fields!
2008/7/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:50507 Activity:low
7/9     Turns out, Fox News is the favorite channel for Dems
        FNC (31% Democratic): 491,350 Dem viewers
        CNN (45% Democratic): 432,450 Dem viewers
        MSNBC (48% Democratic): 328,800 Dem viewers
        \_ Uh, that just says Fox News is the most popular channel overall.
           lrn2statistics please.
        \- maybe it's the "you spurned hillary and now i am going to vote
           for mccain but you already knew i was a moron for supporting
           a pandering liar" crowd tuning in to watch Howard Wolfson, Fox's
           latest hack.
        \_ I'm a moderate, but my liberal friends accuse me of being a
           Republican. They always say that I parrot Fox News and Rush
           Limbaugh, but I don't pay attention to either. They do. They
           claim they want to see what the other side is doing. These
           numbers don't surprise me at all. No wonder Dems have a messed
           up idea about Republicans - they get all their info from Faux News.
           \_ Who should we be getting our ideas about Republicans from?
              Ann Coulter, the best selling conservative author of all time?
              Rush Limbaugh, the most popular conservative radio host?
              \_ How about Barry Goldwater, Alan Greenspan, GWB (first),
                                                            \_ I think the
                                                               acronym is
                 Arlen Specter, Colin Powell, AHNOLD, Rudy Giuliani, and
                 the Rockefeller Republicans? Coulter and Limbaugh are
                 trying to get ratings/sell books and the religious right
                 is it's own scary faction. I don't judge the Democratic
                 party by the actions of morons like Michael Moore.
                 \_ Other possibilities include George Will, Tom Campbell,
                    and Milton Friedman.
                    \_ All RINOs.
                       \_ Right. Any Republican that doesn't meet your
                          stereotype is a RINO.
                          \_ It was DeLay and Rove that purged all the
                             moderates from the Party, not me. Your own
                             Right Wing invented the term RINO.
2008/7/9-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:50508 Activity:high
7/9     Check out the graph of CA revenue vs spending
        \_ CLEARLY, we need to cut pork, like education (for illegal
           immigrants), lunch food (for illegal immigrants),
           healthcare (for illegal immigrants), transportation (amigos
           driving on my I-210). You see it's all about illegal amigos.
           Say no to illegals, say yes to tax cuts!             !dim
        \_ it's hard to tell whether this guy is a nutjob, or is satirizing
        \_ Is this guy one of those "compassionate" conservatives I keep
           hearing about? I just *love* his idea of scrapping public
           health. Can you say epidemic?
        \_ Look at the chart.  Notice how spending increases outpace revenue
           increases? -op
           \_ what a surprise, given relentless tax cuts amidst growing
              demand for services.  -tom
              \_ Next time I spend more more money than I make, instead of
                 cutting back on my expenses, I will just order my boss to
                 give me a raise so that I can keep on binge spending. That
                 is such a great plan, I can't believe I never thought of
                 it before.
                 \_ Noone is saying cuts shouldn't be made, but the cuts
                    this person came up with are beyond dumb.  You can
                    cut services that may very well pay for themselves and
                    have serious quality of life concerns when they are gone
                    (even for people who don't directly benfit from them) or
                    you could go after the real pork like prison overspending.
                    \_ I agree. I don't agree with the cuts the guy in the url
                       wants to make. I think some of them are totally nuts. My
                       point was only that some cuts should be made and that
                       it is unrealistic for the government to keep demanding
                       ever increasing taxes to fund pork projects.
                 \_ How about, next time your are spending about as much
                    money as you make, you order your boss to give you a
                    pay cut, since the extra profit the company makes from
                    paying you less salary will trickle down to you.  -tom
                    \_ This is just bizarre.  Revenue was increasing.  Spending
                       increased as well, just faster.  I can't see any
                       evidence of "tax cuts" in the revenue curve.
                       \_ Well tom's idea is that spending has a natural
                          positive growth and income should have a similar
                          growth (by maintaining or increasing taxes). I
                          don't think he accepts the premise that perhaps
                          government spending and income shouldn't grow.
                          Re tom's hypo - perhaps the government should
                          try spending LESS than it makes and re-thinking
                          what services are absolutely necessary.
                          \_ I think my brain just popped.  Does tom think that
                             we should decided spending first and then set
                             taxes to raise that money?
                       \_ You can find evidence of tax cuts in the legislative
                          record.  Revenue continued to rise because *more
                          people came to California*.  In 1980 there were
                          23.7 million people in California; now there are
                          36.5 million.  -tom
                       \_ Overall state government spending as a percentage
                          of GDP has been within 1% of 9% since the mid 90s.
                          It has not gone appreciably up or down.
                          \_ Inflation-adjusted per-capita spending has
                             increased over 40% in the last decade.
                             \_ Please provide evidence for this "fact".
                                \_ Math is hard.
                                   \_ Personal income has risen much faster
                                      than state spending; obviously the
                                      state's increase in spending is trickling
                                      down to the people of the state.
                                      (NB: a likely flaw in these numbers
                                      is use of incomplete or fudged figures
                                      for inflation.)  -tom
                                   \_ So, as a percentage of personal income,
                                      state spending has actually gone down.
                                      As I have asked before, why do you think
                                      that state spending should track
                                      inflation? Most of what the State spends
                                      on is salaries. Shouldn't state spending
                                      track GDP or personal income instead? Why
                                      do you think that State employees should
                                      expect their salaries to constantly lag
                                      behind the private sector?
                                      \_ Government employees in general
                                         are compensated extremely well.
                                         Have their numbers increased or
                                         decreased over time? (Honest Q)
                                         \_ Government employees are not
                                            compensated well compared to
                                            corporate employees; at low levels,
                                            if you include benefits (which
                                            are better for government
                                            employees) people are still
                                            paid a little better in the
                                            industry, and at the high end,
                                            there's nothing in the public
                                            sector anywhere close
                                            to the compenstation given to
                                            industry executives.  Their
                                            numbers have increased, as
                                            the population and thus the need
                                            for government services has
                                            increased.  -tom
                                            \_ Actually, government employees
                                               are compensated very well.
                                               We're not talking CEOs
                                               here. We're talking rank
                                               and file government employees.
                                               Government jobs are some of
                                               the highest-paying jobs around
                                               *NOT ACCOUNTING FOR* the
                                               ridiculous benefits. You
                                               don't realize it, because
                                               you work in one of the few
                                               fields where the government
                                               underpays. Two of my sisters
                                               work for the gov't (county and
                                               city) and for example the county
                                               just hired a new 24 y.o. civil
                                               engineer with an MS at $120K
                                               per year. The evidence is
                                               not just anecdotal, either.
                                               For example, 2/3 of OC
                                               sheriff's deputies make
                                               $100K+ with the top sheriff
                                               making $221K. Note that this is
                                               not The Sheriff, but a detective.
                                               not The Sheriff, but a
                                               The average DWP employee makes
                                               $77K. Locksmiths and painters
                                               for DWP make $80K. I read
                                               a gardener for the City made
                                               $100K including overtime
                                               and a transportation coordinator
                                               (coordinates events like LA
                                               Marathon) made $120K base + $60K
                                               overtime. No, the government
                                               pays quite well, the benefits
                                               are good, expectations are low,
                                               and it's hard to be fired.
                                               \_ gee, then why aren't you
                                                  working for the government?
                                                  How much do you think a
                                                  sheriff's deputy should
                                                  make?  -tom
                                                  \_ My industry is one in
                                                     which the gov't underpays
                                                     unless I move to DC which
                                                     I don't want to do. But,
                                                     actually, I do work for
                                                     the government indirectly.
                                                     Not sure what your point
                                                     is with that ridiculous
                                                     comment anyway. As
                                                     for deputies and prison
                                                     guards, compare their
                                                     salaries with those of
                                                     free market security
                                                     guards. I think a deputy
                                                     should be paid more, but
                                                     not *that much* more
                                                     to work the mean
                                                     streets of Irvine.
                                                     BTW, if gov't pay is so
                                                     low then why have you been
                                                     working for the gov't for
                                                     20 years - all through the
                                                     <DEAD><DEAD> era of easy wealth?
                                                     <DEAD><DEAD> era of easy
                                                     \_ Because I am not
                                                        motivated by pursuit
                                                        of wealth. -tom
                                                        of wealth. (Although
                                                        I will note, you have
                                                        no clue about my
                                                        career.)  -tom
                                                        \_ I was exaggerating,
                                                           but it's been 13
                                                           years according to
                                                           your own resume.
                                        \_ Your anecdotal evidence is BS, as
                                           I am sure you well know. I have
                                           three family members who work for
                                           State of California and they are
                                           all paid poorly for their level of
                                           experience. One is a DBA, with 20+
                                           years of experience, who makes $80k
                                           one is a programmer, with about 10,
                                           who makes $60k and the last is
                                           a secretary, who makes about $30k.
                                           \_ IT is one of the few areas where
                                              the gov't underpays. I won't
                                              dispute that. However, a
                                              secretary at $30K is about
                                              market value. The average
                                              pay at the DWP is $77K. That
                                              is not anecdotal, and the
                                              average is not brought up by
                                              lots of $800K managers. In
                                              fact, only about 10% of the
                                              workforce makes more than $100K.
                                              If you work for DWP you can
                                              make $70-80K for just about any
                                              job and it's easy money, too.
                                              It's not just the DWP either.
                                           Pay in the public sector is, in
                                           general, below the private sector.
                                           And even if it wasn't, why should
                                           people who work in the public sector
                                           expect their pay to lag and fall
                                           further and further behind? You
                                           cannot even answer this question,
                                           which is why you are trying to change
                                           which is why you are trying to
                                           the topic.
                                           \_ I have no interest in answering
                                              that question. I am not the
                                              person to whom it was asked.
                                              I just want to point out that
                                              the government wastes a lot
                                              of money, which should come
                                              as a surprise to no one
                                              other than tom.
                                              \_ Corporations waste a lot of
                                                 money, too.  -tom
                                                 \_ Maybe, but here's the
                                                    point you miss:
                                                    It's *THEIR* money!
                                                    The government's money
                                                    is *MY* money.
                                                    \_ So?  It's not possible
                                                       to run a large
                                                       organization 100%
                                                       efficiently; that
                                                       standard is simply
                                                       not realistic.  -tom
                                                       \_ So? SO? You like
                                                          handing over your
                                                          $$$ to be wasted?!?!
                                                          Maybe the gov't
                                                          shouldn't be so large
                                                          shouldn't be so
                                                          large then.
                                                          \_ It doesn't bother
                                                             me any more to
                                                             hand over money
                                                             to the government
                                                             than to United
                                                             Airlines or any
                                                             other faceless
                                                             I think most
                                                             programs have
                                                             decent return on
                                                             investment.  -tom
                                                             \_ I can't say I
                                                                agree that that
                                                                has been true
                                                                for many years
                                                                now. It was
                                                                true once upon
                                                                a time.  What's
                                                                the ROI for
                                                                attacking Iraq?
                       \_ State spending as a percentage of GDP has remained
                          essentially unchanged since the late 80's:
           "State and local revenues have been relatively stable over the
           last 30 years..."
           Sorry to bust your bubble, buddy.
2008/7/9-11 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50509 Activity:nil
7/8     Cutting pollution has increased global warming in europe: [new scientist]
        \_ "The latest climate models are built on the assumption that aerosols
           have their biggest influence by seeding natural clouds, which
           reflect sunlight. However, the team found that radiation dropped
           only slightly on cloudy days, suggesting that the main impact of
           aerosols is to block sunlight directly."
           garbage in, garbage out
2008/7/9-11 [Uncategorized] UID:50510 Activity:nil
7/8     Colorado is the thinnest state:
        \_ Agreed, and they have the prettiest and healthiest
           hot blonde women. Go blondes!
           \_ Can't say I noticed lots of pretty blondes in Colorado. People
              there (in Boulder anyway) are fit, though, but butter faces.
        \_ Yeah, they all go skiing on weekends. -- ilyas
2008/7/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50511 Activity:nil
7/8     McCain jokes about killing Iranians again [wp]
2008/7/9-13 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:50512 Activity:nil
7/8     is there a RBL proxy or something I can run that will magically
        automatically know the addresses of all tor exit nodes,
        and that I can run my application behind?  I need to block
        tor traffic.  thanks!
        \_     -ERic
           \_ that doesn't do exactly what I want.  maybe nothing does.
              I used this script:
              to generate a list of tor nodes that other tor nodes know
              about, 8600 in all, and blocked all of them with iptables.
              maybe it'll work.
2008/7/9-11 [Computer/SW] UID:50513 Activity:nil
7/8     Help. I tried to go to DMA (Direct Marketing Association) website
        to get off of their junk mail list, but their web site doesn't
        seem to let me register. When I click submit, it just hangs
        forever. This has been going on for a while, and I can't seem
        to get myself off of their list. What's the best way to get
        off of junk [USPS] mails? Thanks.
2008/7/9-13 [Science/Space, Finance/Investment] UID:50514 Activity:nil
        Economy today is very very healthy compared to say, the 70s
        and 80s. However the problem today is very different. Over-leveraging.
        Thanks to deregulation, commercial and investment banks used
        ridiculous degrees of leverage on investments that turned out to have
        much less value than they thought. Yay to deregulation!!! Let's
        deregulate EVERYTHING in the name of PROFIT! Deregulate electricity,
        healthcare, education, transportation, water, air, etc etc
        \_ Please list all of the successful planned economies of the
           last 100 years.
           \_ Straw man.  Regulation != "planned economy".
              For that matter, list all of the successful free markets
              of the last 100 years.  (I know, all market failures are
              due to government regulation).
           \_ Sweden, Norway, Luxemborg... need I go on?
              \_ Norway is a mixed economy. So probably is Sweden, although I'm
                 not sure. You're already down to Luxembourg? What's next
                 Monaco? Please do go on.
2008/7/9-13 [Uncategorized] UID:50515 Activity:nil
7/8     oj got a livejournal
2008/7/9-11 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:50516 Activity:nil
7/8     You know I was hoping the government would procrastinate again
        and tell us that they're not going to force HD signals till
        2010 or something, but that hope is fading. Where can I get a
        HD box thingie, how do I get a $50 rebate, and how much are
        those things? ok thx.
2008/7/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50517 Activity:nil 80%like:50527
7/9     Dallas County meeting gets racial.
2008/7/9-11 [Science/Battery, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:50518 Activity:kinda low
7/9     SSD don't improve laptop battery life:,1955.html
        \_ Already debunked, please go away mr one line on link.
           \_ Really, I read a couple of articles that said SSD don't
              improve laptop battery life, especially on the MBA. If
              you have a url to a debunking article, I'd like to read
              \- i looked at some numbers on power draw for various
                 components [for large machine room planning] and i
                 was surprised at how little power disks pulled. say
                 compared to even memory. so i am not surprised about this.
                 BTW, the design of the new Berkeley-NERSC computer
                 bldg and machine room is kinda interesting ... like the
                 choice of axis w.r.t. to the sun, the calculation of how
                 many days in the bay area the outside temp is lower than
                 the targetted temp inside the machine room etc.
                 \_ Is this over-engineering? I tend to think so, because
                    the contents of the room will change radically over
                    relatively short periods of time.
                    \- this isnt a machine room with 1u and 3u machines
                       coming and going. This is for "a computer" with
                       a 8 figure price tag.
                       a 8 figure price tag. and besides, the DoE actually
                       does "energy research".
                       \_ That "computer" will be obsolete in less than a
2008/7/9-13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others, Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:50519 Activity:nil
7/9     Okay, maybe we should be bombing Pakistan after all
2008/7/9-11 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:50520 Activity:nil
        Buying a brand-new Prius vs. buying a certified pre-owned Corolla.  The
        former is greener (manufacturing energy usage included).
        \- i dont understand why they dont talk about the typical calculus
           which is "keep current car or buy prius". it seems silly to assume
           a car will be bought. that was an interesting point about spending
           prius premium on other avement measures, but again, i dont think
           that's typically why people are buying cars. realitically you
           would reasonably factor in things like the HOV lane access.
           \_ Isn't that no longer a factor?
        \_ Not sure I really buy this conclusion. Doesn't it depend on how
           many miles one drives?
           \_ It uses an average of 15000 miles/yr, which is the number that
              EPA uses to estimate annual fuel costs.
              EPA uses to estimate annual fuel costs.  -- OP
        \_ Skimming the article it seems to imply I'm buying a pre-owned
           Corolla with 0 miles, but then isn't counting the cost of building
           the Corolla because it is pre owned.  Huh?  Why not magically buy
           a pre-owned Prius with 0 miles on it that costs 0 energy to produce?
           You need to depeciate the production cost of a car over its
           lifespan, not all at purchase time. (which yes I'm aware makes
           the prius even MORE efficient, but somehow with a glaring hole
           in the dude's logic like that I'm not exactly in a charitable
           mood when it comes to trust.)
2008/7/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50521 Activity:moderate
        Obama rules, McCain sucks! There it is guys, Obama is going to win.
        \_ I don't believe in crazy conspiracies.  I think there will be a
           a big terror attack before the election.  No false flag crap,
           no inside job stuff, it'll just happen.  After that everyone
           will run scared and vote for McCain.  McCain will keep us in
           Iraq for 5000 years.  The US will collapse from the
           unsupportable expense. Osama wins.

           \_ CARE-O-METER: |.o......................................|
           \_ Where's the TAX CUT??? I don't care about anything else.
           Bush now less popular than Hitler.
           \_ now that is sad, really really sad
        \_ This website is another large drop in the vast sea of
2008/7/9-11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:50522 Activity:nil
7/9     Iran photoshops missle launch photos
        \_ Bush and Ahmadi-Nejad should really be friends, not foes.  They both
           like to exaggerate Iran's military capabilities.
2008/7/9-11 [Science/Electric] UID:50523 Activity:nil
7/9     Electronic Voting Problems in France: [ars]
2008/7/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:50524 Activity:nil
7/9     Electric Minis for CA Only: []
2008/7/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:50525 Activity:low
7/9     Got too many junk mails? Thanks to People's Republic of California,
        Comrades can opt out of mailing lists. Take your pick:
        Tons of free-market junk mail, or socialist controlled junk mail:
        \_ And what's a free-market alternative method of opting out of
           junk mail? It's so damned cheap to produce and send that almost
           any result makes it profitable.
           \_ The free market alternative would be to refuse to accept it,
              but the USPS doesn't allow one to refuse to accept mail.
              \_ what would be the advantage to the delivery service of
                 allowing you to refuse to accept deliveries?  -tom
2008/7/9-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:50526 Activity:moderate
7/9     Now we know what the definition of "rich" is:  $150K/yr/household
        \_ Only $150K, why you poor poor thing.
        \_ The GOP has no function in CA, except as obstructionists.
           \_ You mean like all those Republican unions that got all of
              the Governator's propositions defeated in the 2005 special
              \_ I notice you still can't pick one thing that the GOP
                 has accomplished in California in the last 30 years.
                 \_ That's because the California State Legislature
                    has had a Democratic majority for the past 30 years. So
                    the inability to get anything done is somehow the
                    minority party's fault? Try again, dumb troll.
                    \_ In other words, their only function is as
                       \_ Sure maybe in the CA Legislature, but the you
                          must have missed my comment 9 lines above yours.
                          Oh wait, you're a troll. So you're deliberately
                          ignoring presented facts.
                    \_ Somehow the Republicans in Congress get things done
                       even though they are in the minority and they control
                       the Executive. Why can't the GOP in CA? Is it because
                       the Executive. Why can't the GOP in CA?
                       \_ You do realize that US Congress has a completely
                          different legislative process than the state of
                          California, right? Oh wait, you're a troll.
                       Is it because
                       they hold onto a tired and inflexible ideology which
                       rejects the possibility of compromise? Also, there
                       rejects the possibility of compromise?
                       \_ You're nothing but a political homer if you think
                          California Republicans are the only ones with
                          an inflexible ideology.
                       Also, there
                       have been many GOP "victories" at the initiative level.
                       Why not trumpet those? The extension of Prop 13 tax
                       breaks to the decendents of the original home purchaser
                       must count as a great victory in the general Conservative
                       agenda of advancing inherited wealth over earned wealth.
                       breaks to the descendants of the original home purchaser
                       must count as a great victory in the general
                       Conservative agenda of advancing inherited wealth over
                       earned wealth.
                       \_ Prop 13 is older than 30 years old.
                       How about "Three Strikes and You Are Out"?
                       earned wealth. How about "Three Strikes and You Are Out"?
                       Surely, breaking the back of the State budget with
                       earned wealth. How about "Three Strikes and You Are
                       Out"? Surely, breaking the back of the State budget with
                       overflowing prisons and severely cutting back public
                       post-secondary education must count as one of the
                       greatest victories of American Conservatism in the 21st
                       century. The GOP has always hated great public
                       institutions like the University of California, and it
                       looks like you will finally get your long desired goal
                       of destroying it, or at least severly weakening it. How
                       about Prop 187? Surely eliminating schooling for the
                       about Prop 187? Eliminating all schooling for the
                       children of the poorest must rank as a great victory
                       in the Class War against The Poor! Isn't it every
                       Conservatives secret desire to have a house full of
                       poor, dumb, uneducated servants, too hopeless to be
                       anything but docile? Eliminating any chance of becoming
                       literate is surely a huge step in the right direction.
                       Oh, that's right, the courts shot that one donw. C'mon
                       Oh, that's right, the courts shot that one down. C'mon
                       fly your flag high, you have lots to be proud of!
                       \_ So pretty much the California GOP has the courts
                          against them now too. So, what have CA Dems
                          accomplished with the deck stacked so heavily in
                          their favor?
                       \_ Were you foaming at the mouth when you wrote this
                          \_ Yes, because obviously anyone who disagrees with
                             the GOP is rabid.
                             \_ That is the most off the rails rant I've read
                                in months.  That has nothing to do with the
                                target. -!pp
                                \_ Still waiting for some "successes" from the
                                   CA GOP. Don't the things I listed count
                                   as initiatives they are proud of?
        \_ Actually, if you read it it is $321K. The $150K number is just
           for a child dependent exemption worth $200.
        \- well there are a few way to approach "rich" ... say the
           "top 5%, 2%, 1%" in the country/state/"area" and then there is
           "doesnt have any money worries" ... can buy any car they want
           "within reason", can vacation anywhere they want, no worries
           about healthcare expenses, or college tuition for kids, has all
           the house they "need". i think we operate in the latter context ...
           but if you are "richer" than 98% of "everybody", can you really
           say you arent "rich"? rather than picking a wealth/income level,
           how would you define "rich"? the "relative income" approach or
           the "opportunity" approach or something else?
2008/7/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:50527 Activity:nil 80%like:50517
7/9     Dallas County meeting gets racial.
        \_ Do we really need every damn freeper article reposted here?
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