Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2008:July:03 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2008/7/3-10 [Industry/Startup] UID:50455 Activity:nil
7/2     Useful sites for those of you who are in the tech industry:
        Google pay isn't that good afterall.
        Talk to people from different companies. Great help.
        Good for people looking for VC fundings. Entrepreneurialship, anyone?
        \_ Yeah, but what did the stock options do to the employees?
        Talk to people from different companies. Great help.
        Good for people looking for VC fundings. Entrepreneurialship, anyone?
        \_ That pay, especially for Project and Product Managers, is really low.
        \_ That pay, especially for Project and Product Managers, is really
2008/7/3-10 [Industry/Jobs] UID:50456 Activity:nil
7/3     Anyone from Singapore here?  What's the average salary roughly for a
        software engineer with about 5yrs of experience over there?  Thanks.
        \_ I don't know about salaries, but canings are free.
           \_ Is free S&M a taxable benefit in Singapore?
        \_ I actually have some good recent salary info from there, because
           we were thinking about hiring there. Email me if you want the
           info. -ausman
2008/7/3-8 [Politics] UID:50457 Activity:nil
7/3     Retired Marine shoots armed robbers
        \_ In 2007. Sorry, why is this coming up now?
           \_ Why not?
              \_ because it's not news?
                 \_ Dude, this is the MOTD, the last link I followed (about
                    cops and IQ tests wasn't even from this DECADE).  Still,
                    it's news to someone. (including probably the poster)
        \_"He should not have taken the law in his hands," said Rosa Jones,
           Gadson's grandmother.
          \_ she had plenty of opportunities to take the law into her own
             hands and turn him in earlier
2008/7/3-8 [Uncategorized] UID:50458 Activity:nil
7/3     BLM to start processing applications for solar development on public
        lands: [nyt]
2008/7/3-8 [Uncategorized] UID:50459 Activity:nil
7/3     Barack Obama hasn't ordered the bombs to fall, although to be fair, he
        has associated himself with someone who has -- William Ayers.
        \_ Interesting quote from a domestic terrorist.
           \_ The quote isn't from Ayers, it's referring to him.
              \_ In that case, nm.  It's dumb.
        \_ Dittohead Desperation Level: Orange
           \_ Troll Success Threat Level: Green
                \_ Threat Level Success Level: Goldenrod
2008/7/3-8 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50460 Activity:nil
7/3     Greenland's glaciers aren't melting (at least not for now)
        \_ And Mt. Shasta's glaicers are growing:
2008/7/3-8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:50461 Activity:nil
7/3     Amazing rescure of 15 hostages in Colombia (Washington Post)
        Best part: FARC was fooled by Che shirts.  WTF?
2008/7/3-8 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:50462 Activity:nil
7/3     I'm not much of an apple guy.  Is there some legitimate reason an
        OSX box would be trying to access the SNMP interface on a random
        other box on the network? (Same class C)
2008/7/3-2009/4/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:50463 Activity:nil
7/3     Cleaned out /csua/pub/jobs moving all the ancient postings elsewhere.
        Please post anew (or if your 2007 posting is still valid feel free
        to repost it from /csua/pub/jobs/old/2007) if you have a job to offer
        me.  All your job are belong to us. -mrauser
2008/7/3-8 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50464 Activity:nil
7/3     Kill your TV - LCDs cause global warming: []
        \_ I won't believe it until somebody makes a hockey-stick
           chart showing the correlation.
        \_ No, the creation of LCDs emit greenhouse gasses.
           \_ well, one of the chemicals used in the process.
2008/7/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50465 Activity:nil
7/3     Phrases that need retirement:
        "thrown under the bus"
        \_ I get "flip-flop." Why the others?
           \_ In some right-wing circles "Obama throws X under the bus" has
              become a running gag.
              \_ Really? I'd always thought it more fitting for McCain's
                 Straight-Talk Express.
              \_ Only because Obama keeps throwing people under the bus.
      \_ Dude, the phrase needs to be RETIRED.  Have you ever heard of a
        "hope and change"
2008/7/3-9 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:50466 Activity:nil
7/3     This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen (autonomous
        \_ I agree thats pretty cool, but with the current generation of UAVs
           in the field, aren't more complicated autonomous algorithms already
           at work? -mrauser
           \_ I think this is the first time I've seen autonomous hover with
              such good perturbance correction.
        \_ More proof that MIT and Furd do cooler things than Cal
           \_ I blame the professors. Cal professors have only contempt
              for students, while Stanford and MIT professors view
              students as peers to some extent. I don't know why this is,
              since the professors are selected from the same pool. It
              must be cultural. Occasionally, I came across professors at
              Cal excited to get their students involved in interesting
              projects (especially astronomy/astrophysics professors) but
              not typically. A lot of them wouldn't even keep office
              hours. They think we're not worth their time.
2008/7/3-10 [Reference/Religion] UID:50467 Activity:moderate
7/3     Just checking, how am I allowed to apply my religious beliefs to issues
        today?  Am I allowed to support jails?  How about wars (you know, the
        "kill the other guy" kind)?  -emarkp
        \_ You are allowed to think anything you want.  We are allowed to
           mock you for being a dumbass and possibly a hyprocrite.
           \_ Okay, what are the criteria for being "mockable". -emarkp
              \_ Being different.
        \_ Think what ever you want, but please don't try to legislate your
           beliefs.  Our government must be secular to prevent religious
           descrimination. -mrauser
           \_ Yah, whatever.  I'm trying to figure out what the unnamed jokers
              are trying to "mock" me for in the waterboarding point down
              below. -emarkp
              \_ who would Jesus torture?  -tom
                 \_ Well, yes that's part of the question, but before that, do
                    you think someone who calls himself Christian can support a
                    war?  Fight in a war? -emarkp
                        \_ Someone who "calls himself a Christian" can do
                           anything they like, such as molest children, and
                           the rest of us can call him a criminal, a sinner,
                           unChristian, and a hypocrite.  Someone who advocates
                           torture can similarly call himself a Christian,
                           or a Mormon, and the rest of us can call him a
                           criminal, a sinner, unChristian, and a hypocrite.
                           And the analogy isn't actually very bad, because
                           presumably a child is innocent, and some of those
                           that have been tortured are innocent.
                    \_ Depends on the moral basis for the war.  -tom
                       \_ Okay, so I can justify killing someone if the moral
                          basis is good?  Like self-defense or (obvious
                          example) toppling the 3rd Reich?  What do you think
                          about people who say you should *never* fight anyone,
                          citing "turn the other cheek"? -emarkp
                          \_ I have nothing but resepct for all the Quakers
                             I know.
                          \_ You're intentionally deflecting the debate.  I
                             think the Quaker position is consistent with
                             Jesus' teaching, but it's not the only
                             interpretation.  However, I fail to see any
                             plausible interpretation of Jesus' teaching
                             which allows torture.  "Self-defense" is a crock
                             in that context.  -tom
                             \_ I'm not deflecting anything, I'm trying to
                                figure out where people are going with this.
                                I'm not trying to argue that "torture is
                                self-defense thus is justified".  I'm using
                                "self-defense" as an example of violence that
                                most people consider morally valid, but others
                                point to "turn the other cheek" to suggest the
                                opposite. -emarkp
                                \_ once again: who would Jesus torture?  -tom
                                   \_ Okay tom, now that I know you want to
                                      stay in the 2nd grade, I'll ignore you in
                                      grown-up conversations.  Thanks for
                                      making yourself clear. -emarkp
                                      \_ emarkp, I have a gun and a silencer.
                                         Do you have a silencer?  -tom
                                      \_ Okay emarkp, now that I know you want
                                         to cling to your rationalizations
                                         rather than confront your own
                                         inconsistent worldview, I will return
                                         to mocking you.  -tom
                                      \_ "Who would Jesus torture" is
                                         illustrative of the point that you're
                                         not addressing, emarkp.  If you have
                                         the moral strength, total nonviolence
                                         is the best way of following Jesus'
                                         teachings.  However, most of us don't
                                         have the balls to let ourselves be
                                         killed and tortured without raising
                                         a violent hand in self defense.  It
                                         is still a moral fault by Jesus'
                                         teachings, however.  It is a much
                                         more serious and vile sin to go the
                                         huge step beyond defending yourself to
                                         torture another person.  I can look
                                         in the mirror, and say, "yes, another
                                         person has the right to defend
                                         themselves from me if I attack
                                         them", but can you really
                                         say, "yes, he has a perfect right
                                         to torture me, even though I'm
                                         innocent and have told him all the
                                         truth that I know?"  It all stems
                                         from this:  "Do unto others as
                                         you would have them do unto you",
                                         and torture is a total non-starter
                 \_ an eye for an eye works -!emarkp
                    \_ Your mocking me only makes me more like Jesus.
                       (ISAIAH 53:3). I will not hide (ISAIAH 50:6)!
                       Laughing at me does not hurt me (PSALMS 22:7).
                       I am eping and I am strong and I will WIN! (Psalms 2:4).
                       (Isaiah 53:3). I will not hide! (Isaiah 50:6)
                       Laughting at me does not hurt me (Psalms 22:7)
                       I am eping and I am strong! (not in Bible).
2008/7/3-6 [Uncategorized] UID:50468 Activity:nil
7/3     three times every day.
        dear god i just want some rest.
2008/7/3-4 [Reference/Tax] UID:50469 Activity:nil 88%like:50471
7/3     Tax rebates go to porn:
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