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| 2008/6/17 [Uncategorized] UID:50274 Activity:nil 66%like:50276 |
6/16 If you are under 13 years of age you may read this
message board, but you may not participate.
\_ and of course if you still want to do something you can just
pretend to be over 13 and click YES I AM OLD ENOUGH unless
you're Christian or Mormon in which case you shouldn't lie. |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:50275 Activity:kinda low 57%like:50273 |
6/16 Firefox 3 coming out tomorrow.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080612/bs_nf/60269
Memory usage - Firefox 3 Beta vs. Firefox 2 vs. IE 7:
http://blog.pavlov.net/2008/03/11/firefox-3-memory-usage
\_ There's a rule that says NEVER BE THE FIRST TO TRY IT.
I'm going to let Firefox3 version 1 hammer out bugs first.
\_ Um, I've been running the beta and RCs for several weeks now, and
it's vastly better than v2.
\_ Why are they reinventing garbage collection?
\_ Because Firefox is written in a non garbage collected language.
Because Firefox includes an interpeter for a garbage collected
language with some complicated object lifespan issues.
Because there is more to reducing memory footprint than garbage
collection.
Because implementing is not the same as reinventing.
But most importantly: Because there is much more to reducing
memory footprint than garbage collection.
language with some complicated object lifespan issues. Because
implementing is not the same as reinventing. But most
importantly: Because there is much more to reducing memory
footprint than garbage collection.
\_ Uh yes, but they're worried about cycles? Who reference
counts anymore?
\_ The lifespan of a javascript object is a complicated
beast.
\_ In the past javascript was used sparingly and reference
counting was easy and fast. Yes there were leaks, but
once you closed a page the browser could just dump
dump everything associated with that page and move on.
It worked. Doing a good mark and sweep gc is hard,
especially with how firefox handled javascript execution.
Getting that right takes significant programing.
(For instance until ie7, ie was even worse about
javascript leaks, and they have a much larger team,
although at least ie doesn't run javascript
in the ui thread, does firefox 3 still do that?) |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Uncategorized] UID:50276 Activity:nil 66%like:50274 |
6/16 If you are under 13 years of age you may read this
message board, but you may not participate.
\_ and of course if you still want to do something you can just
pretend to be over 13 and click YES I AM OLD ENOUGH unless
you're Christian or Mormon in which case you shouldn't lie. |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:50277 Activity:high |
6/17 When I first came to California many years ago my advisor invited
me to his house and gave me an advice that I never really thought
about until recently. It was dead simple, and had nothing to do
with what I was studying-- if you ever buy houses in California,
DON'T SELL THEM. Keep them around, because in time, property tax
will be so low that it'll take an act of stupidity to sell them. As
long as population is booming and as long as people like me flock
to California, property values will only go up, and in time, I will
be a wealthy landlord just like my advisor. That's it! His second
advice was a counter advice of the first one-- don't buy a house in
California unless you're rich enough to hold on to it forever. Why?
Because of Prop 13 which acts like Social Security in many ways.
As long as you're the first recipient, you have a lot to gain from
because newcomers pay more taxes to cover the old timers who are
paying less. In addition, because (he thought) both SS and
Prop 13 ecosystems are not sustainable in the long term, newcomers
will receive much less services when they get old themselves, while
new comers are hit with shit like property tax reset which are
always proportionally much higher than pre Prop 13 taxes, as well
as Mello-Roos, an additional 1% on taxes to pay for services that pre
Prop 13 taxes used to cover. In another word, people who gained the
most were those who joined the game early on while those who are
new to the game (me) will simply pay exorbitant amounts of money
with proportional gains that will only decrease in time. Hmmmmm.
So basically-- my advisor's advice to me was pretty much: newcomers
are pretty much screwed because they're late in the game, but if
they ever get sucked into the game, don't leave. Thanks for coming
to California Joe!
\_ California is full, go home.
\_ No please stay. The longer you stay, the higher value my
home is. -home owner
\_ Your advisor's advice to you was: buy as early as possible and
don't sell. Sounds likes good advice.
\_ Holding onto a property that is not making enough rent is
stupid as hell. Sell the house and invest in something that's
actually making you money. Property tax is not a reason to
hold onto a losing investment.
\_ In California, even if you put down 20% on normal homes
(decent location, decent crime rate, etc), you're mostly
likely still not going to make enough rent for the first
decade or so.
\_ Only if you're an idiot who buys without considering
cash flow. If you only buy SFR in areas where rents
are low compared to prices then sure. Don't do that.
\_ *BUYING* a property that is not making enough rent is
stupid. No one said to be stupid about buying.
\_ There's all sorts of reasons you can end up with
property that's a bad rental. Maybe it was a previous
home. Maybe you inherited it. I'm just saying that
buy early and never sell is not a given.
\_ It wouldn't be buying if you inherited it.
\- it's unclear what you advisor's "objective function" was,
and i am guessing he is not an economist, but what an economist
\_ right he's not an economist. He's one of those jolly
old guys who love drinking and talking shit and always
says things like "LIVE SIMPLE & BE HAPPY!" and "BUY
LOTS OF PROPERTIES IN CA AND NEVER SELL, TRUST ME!"
\_ This advice makes sense if you were a Baby Boomer,
which this guy probably is. Our lives are more
complicated.
\_ I think the moral of the story is you should have
bought properties when you were 5 years old.
\_ I'm 27, is it more complicated than a 35 year
old, and even more complicated than a 45 year?
\_ no. life is no more complicated now than then.
oh wait, we have the intartubes now and ipods so
gosh i guess life is really hard now not like
the people who fought in ww2, got schooled on the
gi bill and bought houses in the 60s. those
guys had it easy.
\_ You are confusing Boommers with the WWII
generation. People who were born after WWII
would not have had a chance to fight in it.
would not have had the chance to fight in it.
\_ I'm not confusing it at all. Few of those
wwii vets came out and bought a house. They
went to school, they saved up, then bought
later. So someone buying in the 60s was
likely a wwii vet. Someone born in 1945
would have been 20 in 1965 and not buying
a house. None of which has anything to do
with anything on this thread.
\_ I think most people born in the late
40's bought their first house right out
of college. I know my parents, who were
born in 42 & 45, bought their first house
in 1968. It was easier to buy a home in
California those days.
\_ My advisor said when he first got his
BS in the 70s his salary was about
$10K/yr and homes were $20K/yr, and
it wasn't a big deal getting a house
1-2 years after you graduated. A
lot has changed since then.
\_ A lot of veterans bought houses when
returning from the war. That's when
cheap tract housing became popular. In
CA there were a lot of houses built
in the 1920s, but very little in the
1930s (Depression) and then a big
boom in 1945-1950s or so when returning
vets came back, took factory jobs (or
similar) and bought homes. Even now
in much of the country two people
with union manufacturing jobs or even
something less well paid like call
center operators can buy a nice home in a
safe neighborhood.
would tell you is "people move too little" and would make more
money if they were more open to moving because of jobs. but
of course that in turn doesnt factor in quality of life issues
[like how much of a premium would you have to be paid to move
to the fresno branch of your office for a year? $50k? $100k?].
but once you start including more than NPV in the calculus,
you have to start considering that in terms of house purchase
too. if having three kids is important to you, that may affect
you housing decisions. also, when you no longer need the
services of a local good scholl district, it might not make
sense to keep paying for it. imagine how much more expensive
SF real estate would be if the schools were palo alto level.
\_ Not that much more. Reason: Most people who can afford SF
can afford private school and would likely put their kids
in private school even if they lived in Palo Alto.
\_ I'm not sure that most means what you think it does.
Here's a hint, there's a hell of a lot of kids in
SF public schools.
\_ Sure, but how many are there by choice?
\_ There are some very good public schools in SF, as good
as the schools in PA. The trick is getting your kid into
them.
\- look at percentage of WHITE CHILDREN in SF public
schools as you go from low grades to high school.
it's amazing how non-white SF public high schools are.
\_ So, what is your point? That only white children
can be good students?
\_ White kids don't go to SF public schools.
Either there are none living in SF (possible) or
they are going to private schools anyway.
\_ This is mostly true. About 10% of the kids in
school are white, while 30% of the population
is (non-hispanic) white. 20% of the students
are in private school, so I think you can
figure out where they went. |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:50278 Activity:nil |
6/16 Pin for sale at Texas GOP state convention
"If Obama is President... will we still call it the White House?"
http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/gop-state-convention-in-texas-if-obama.html |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Uncategorized] UID:50279 Activity:nil |
6/17 Tabs on the side of FF (works with 3.0)
<DEAD>addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890<DEAD>
\_ How can I disable tabs? I hate new things. |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Uncategorized] UID:50280 Activity:nil |
6/17 Bob Beckel (who brought the smear up) blames right-wingers for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyWiRQXaR8A
\_ "The smear"? Please whomever you are, go away and go away soon.
\_ (Well, Obama calls it "the smear") |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Science/Disaster, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50281 Activity:nil |
6/17 World's wealthiest Oil Man endorses Peak Oil concept:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/68tf3f (Yahoo News)
\_ Peak oil is guaranteed when you stop drilling. Ever increasing
energy prices are guaranteed when you stop building power plants.
Econ 1.
\_ We have more oil wells in the United States than the rest of the
world, combined. Drilling quadrupled after the 70s oil shocks
yet oil production continued to slide. Peak oil is a result
of geology, not politics or economics. |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:50282 Activity:kinda low |
6/17 May was the least deadly month for US troops in Iraq since the war
began.
\_ Meanwhile, we are losing the war in Afghanistan, where Osama
really is.
\_ Shhhhhhhh!
\_ No, the violence continues there, but the casualties in Iraq have
dropped so low that the numbers in A. are worse at the moment.
\_ Not helped by resurgence of Taliban in Afghanistan and clear
support from Pakistani Intel. Also: more reason for us to
pull out of Iraq and go back to fighting an enemy we can
find: the Taliban.
\_ Right on! So we can now pull out our troops with a clear
conscience. |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:50283 Activity:nil |
6/17 We currently have AT&T (used to be SBC) for local phone service.
However these guys really suck, and my wife hates them. Is there an
alternative local land-line service provider in the Bay area?
\_ Hello, telco monopoly. You want alternate business, voice-overIP
on a non-AT&T internetconnection, or get a cell phone. |
| 2008/6/17-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:50284 Activity:high |
6/17 Obama the Marxist
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3qxoqt [wsj.com]
"Globalization and technology and automation all weaken the position of
workers," he said, and a strong government hand is needed to assure
that wealth is distributed more equitably.
\_ Highly unequal wealth is generally considered bad. In the past
the government of the united states WAS concerned when regular wages
stayed stagnant or dropped while the upper 1% gained a higher
percentage of the pie. That's not Marxism, no matter what your
Libritarian echo chamber says.
\_ Grive me Librity or grive me Dreath!
\_ Thank god, I can't wait to see tax rates go to pre-Reagan
era. Fuck globalization and trickle down to China economy,
it was a dumb idea in the beginning, and a complete
disaster in practice.
\_ Sorry but you're either incredibly stupid or ignorant if you
want to go back to the Carter era economy. Compared to then,
this is a golden time for the economy for rich, middle class,
and poor. Or wait, there's a third option I forgot: you're
a troll which is why you keep mentioning Reagan; you're looking
to draw someone out on how great Reagan was or something.
\_ Real average hourly wages peaked in the early 70s.
\_ Real average hourly wages peaked in the late 70s.
\_ You gonna support the shit you just made up from
your ass, liberal?
\_ What shit? That in the Carter era we had double digit
inflation, we voted in prop 13 to save people from
outrageous property taxes and that the country was
headed downhill in a huge way as stated by Carter
himself in a major speech? If you don't know those
things then as I said you're either ignorant, a troll,
or just plain dumb. I'm pretty sure you're a troll.
\_ Facts are such bitter things when you are a Conservative:
\_ Facts are such bitter things when you are a
Conservative:
link:preview.tinyurl.com/3w79k5
From article at:
http://www.demos.org/inequality/numbers.cfm
\_ "Public programs that enrich..." Looks like a
socialist advocacy group. Try the Cato Institute
web site if you want to convince me. -pp
\_ Yes, the BLS is such a biased org. So you only
accept facts authorized by the Authorized
accept facts approved by the Authorized
Conservative Statistical Institute? How Stalinist
of you. An overwhelming body of evidence points to
three decades of stagnate wages for the middle
three decades of stagnant wages for the middle
class. Amazing that you have somehow missed it.
\_ Cato Institute > Heritage Foundation, but not by
much.
\_ So, what, you are against technology and automation?
Let's all go back to stone age tech. Let's redistribute all
resources equally to everyone! Actually no, fuck that.
Poor people should have fewer kids.
\_ You're entitled to your extreme thought processes and
belief as do I. -fuck Reagan
\_ You're entitled to your extremely bad grammar.
\_ I'm entitled to have 100 kids because I'm winning
the genetic pool race. PS my kids have US
citizenship, nah nah nah nah nah -fuck Reagan
\_ Believe it or not the world isn't binary. Marxism is one
extreme, yes. However that doesn't mean, say, Pell
grants are Marxist. But Pell grants do have a good track
record of increasing social mobility and in doing so
decreasing the inqequality of wealth. A large, desperately
poor, increasingly hopeless segment of the population is
something any government wants to avoid if it wants to
prosper.
\_ I don't want the government to prosper. I want the
people and the country as a whole to prosper. Providing
some education assistance (or a more reasonably priced
educational price at each institution would really be
more helpful) is helpful. Raising taxes on everyone
and flushing more money down the drain is not helpful
to anyone unless you're one of those government employees
sucking the life out of the rest of us who earn our living
the traditional way: working.
\_ duhhh what? hmmm your dumb
\_ thank you for adding zero content.
\_ Raising taxes on everyone is not good. Raising taxes
on the wealthiest as the income gap continues to
grow makes a lot of sense. Hint: no one earns $1bn
strictly through "working."
\_ No. The folks making tens and hundreds of millions
are mostly hedge fund manger and other NYC financial
types who are taxed at the cap gains rate instead of
the income rate where they belong. That is the only
place you need to change the tax code if you want a
fairer tax on the truly rich. But slamming people
who make $100k in this area with a higher tax rate
because they are 'rich' is just stupid and harmful
to the economy. Raising taxes across the board is
not going to cause economic prosperity.
\_ Agreed. Making income>$1m level pay their fair
share, though, might. $100k is not filthy rich
anymore. --pp
\_ Obama wants to raise taxes on people who make
over $250k, not $100k. If he means family
income, I am screwed, but if he means personal
income, I am still under that.
\_ Screwed? Just how exactly are you "screwed"
if you pay more tax on your $250k?
\_ The dead hand of The State will force me to
quit being productive, drink cheap wine and
die of alcoholism.
\_ I agree, my grandfather worked hard so his descendants
could have the best of everything. Why should I let the
mean old government, at the point of a gun, take away
everything he sacrificed for, just so some truck
driver's son can get some education he will just throw
away anyway.
away anyway. -truck driver's son
\_ Hey, Obama wants to eliminate capital gains taxes on start-ups!
Now that's a Marxism I can get behind.
\_ What is his definition of "start-ups"? |
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