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2008/6/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:50232 Activity:nil
6/11    my /var/mail/(myacctount) directory is missing..
2008/6/12-13 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:50233 Activity:nil
6/12    Does emacs or vi include a column paste?  I sometimes have a block
        text I want to insert horizntally next to another block/column.  This
        is common for data plotting etc.  In Microsoft Word has this, I need
        it in a Unix text editor.
        \_ Does M-x picture-mode in emacs work for you?
           \_ Yes, with the commands below, thanks.
        \_ C-x r k runs `kill-rectangle'
           C-x r y runs `yank-rectangle'
           \_ Does this work outside picture mode?
              \_ Yes. There are quite a few other rectangle commands as well.
                 \_ How do you select a rectange?
                    \_ It's defined by point and mark. RTFM for details.
                       \- also valuable in emacs is align-regexp
2008/6/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:50234 Activity:nil
6/12    Friday 13th is actually safer than the average Friday:
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080612/od_nm/luck_odd_dc
2008/6/12-13 [Transportation/Car] UID:50235 Activity:nil
6/12    Today is Spare the Air day.
        http://www.sparetheair.org
        \_ shut up capitalism hating socialist freeloader
           \_ There are private companies running public transits, private
              companies researching in more fuel-efficient cars, private
              companies makeing tele-commuting infrastructure, etc.
              companies making tele-commuting software, etc.
2008/6/12-13 [Science/Battery, Science/Space] UID:50236 Activity:nil
6/11    I got this as a google ad, I'm flabbergasted
        http://www.runsyourcarwithwater.com
        \_ So... we use electricity from the battery to electrolyze
           water, burn that gas, and use that power to charge the
           battery. And carry around this water as extra weight.
           Sounds great.
           \_ You wouldn't actually think this is for real, right?
2008/6/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:50237 Activity:kinda low
6/11    Fox News: Not even trying to hide the racism anymore
        http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9671.html
        \_ http://sadlyno.com?  Pst. Nice try.
        \_ MSNBC, now officially part of the Obama campaign. And?
         \_ First, you are wrong.  But even if you are that's not the case.
           \_ First, you are wrong.  But even if you are that's not the issue.
              It's not that Fox is blatently pro-R.  I expect that.  It's that
              Fox is being pretty damn racist.  I'm not cool with "anti-Obama"
              turning into "stoke the flames of ugly racism."  And calling
            Obama's wife his "baby mama" is pretty fucking obviously
            racist overtones.  Then again, this is the same network that
            let's Bill O'" my god black people eat with knives and forks"
            Reilly on the air.
              Obama's wife his "baby mama" is pretty fucking obviously  racist
              overtones.  Then again, this is the same network that let's Bill
              O'" my god black people eat with knives and forks" Reilly on the
              air.
              \_ You know Michelle called Barack her "babby daddy", right?
                 \_ So what?  Seriously.  If you don't see that Fox is not so
                    subtly painting Michelle Obama as an uppity angry black
                    woman you have your head in the sand.  I don't care
                    if you don't like Obama.  At this point I don't care
                    when it comes to Fox being a shill for the Republican
                    party.  But I do care when then the anti-Obama strategy
                    is to pander to racism.  Then again what else do you
                    expect from a party that pretty much has no way to win
                    unless they pander to hate.
                    \_ Yeah, I wish the Dems would knock that off too.
                 \_ Obama is Malkin's Baby Daddy? This explains everything.
2008/6/12-13 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:50238 Activity:nil
6/12    why do after I come back from suspend on my laptop, porn does
        not stream properly from http://youporn.com unless I reboot?
2008/6/12-13 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:50239 Activity:kinda low
6/12    Brilliant! Police can bar recruits for having high IQ scores
        http://csua.org/u/lqs (NYTimes)
        \_ But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to
           27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored
           with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
        \_ This is VERY old news.  I've been talking about cops who clearly
           "passed the IQ test" for like 9 years.
        \_ "Judge Dorsey ruled that Mr. Jordan was not denied equal protection
           because the city of New London applied the same standard to
           everyone: anyone who scored too high was rejected."
           I don't understand.  How is this different from other kinds of
           discrimination?  Can my company reject certain candidates and claim
           that we are not discriminating because "anyone who is race X is
           rejected" or "anyone who is mute is rejected"?
           \_ It has to do with qualification for the job. People are often
              rejected from jobs for being "over-qualified", no?
2008/6/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50240 Activity:nil
6/12    Barack Obama's Birth Certificate
        http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
        Not really that interesting, except that I didn't know that his full
        name is "Brack Hussein Obama II" (The Revenge)
        \_ This obsession of yours is beginning to look unhealthy.
        \_ I'd like to thank Obama for releasing this so that the burgeoning
           conspiracy theories could be nipped in the bud.
           \_ Wait, Kos got it without saying how?  This means the conspiracy
              theories will only continue. *sigh*
        \_ His middle name has been listed in Wikipedia.
2008/6/12-13 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50241 Activity:nil
6/12    When two cars/bicycles/birds move in tandem, the one at the back saves
        energy.  Does the one in front use more energy?  Thx.
        \_ They both save energy.  The one in the back provides a small
           pressure wave which pushes the first one along a bit.
2008/6/12-13 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:50242 Activity:moderate
6/12    Guantanamo Inmates May Seek Release, High Court Says
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/6hq4cj
        Hot damn.
        \_ Yah, now we'll just have to kill them on the battlefield without
           getting intel from them.
        \_ Yah, now we'll just have to play Battlefield 2 to kill
           using my awsome Intel processor.
        \_ yah, now we'll just have to kill them on the battlefield without
           getting intel from them. [don't delete my post asshole]
        \_ Yah, now we'll just have to play Battlefield 2 to kill time
           using my awsome Intel processor. [love wiping out assholes]
                                             \_ Wipe your own asshole
        \_ yah, now we'll just have to kill them on the battlefield without
           getting intel from them. [don't delete my post asshole]
        \_ Damn that rule of law.
           \_ Which is ignored by the left when it's inconvenient, and lauded
              when the courts change law to make them happy.
              \_ Baseless claims are so much fun to make.
2008/6/12-13 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:50243 Activity:nil
6/12    If Gaddafi doesn't like him, he must be good:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7450000.stm
        \_ Gaddafi is late, Obama already retracted that.
           \_ With Gaddafi, I don't think it matters much.
2008/6/12-13 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:50244 Activity:very high
6/12    By the way, the Government estimates that the outer continental shelf,
        (the one they said no to yesterday), has 76 billion barrels of oil in
        it that are recoverable and that's with today's technology. Let me put
        that into perspective. 76 billion barrels is enough to replace every
        single barrel of oil that we import from everywhere outside of North
        America for the next 34 years at our current pace. That's in the one
        place, one, that congress said we couldn't go into yesterday.
        \_ oil is the ultimate strawman.  the MSM websites harping on oil are
           part of the conspiracy all over the internet to conceal the nature
           of an exponential function.  search for a graph of Moore's Law, the
           quaint rule that the number of transistors on a chip doubles every
           18 to 24 months, you will see a graph of a linear function, ie a
           straight line, see this wiki page for a 'censored' graph of Moore's
           Law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Moores_law.svg
           however if this were a true linear function, the scale of the
           y-axis would increase in regular increments, 10,000 then 20,000
           then 30,000... etc...  instead the y-axis of every Moore's Law
           Chart you see increases in increments 10,000 then 100,000 then
           1,000,000... making an exponential function appear to be a linear
           function.  I imagine this is to avoid general societal panic.
           for a comparison of a linear graph and an exponential graph see:
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_equation
           and for an exponential function here:
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function
           the graph of an exponential function at some point will veer
           sharply up into infinity.  before the powers that be began to
           censor the true appearance of the Moore's Law chart on the internet
           it was apparent that the singularity would occur in the year 2032,
           when the chart veers sharply up into infinity.  so the singularity
           clearly occurs in the year 2032.  CASE CLOSED.
        \_ "The projections in the [Outer Continental Shelf] OCS
           access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic,
           and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant
           impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or
           prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than
           2012, and production would not be expected to start before
           2017."
           http://mediamatters.org/items/200806090012?f=h_latest  -tom
           \_ Because Clinton banned it until at least 2012.  And he vetoed
              ANWR in 1994 saying it wouldn't extract oil until 2007.  What a
              shame we don't have that 1M barrels per day right now. -emarkp
              \_ We're using over 20 million barrels per day and importing
                 over 13 million of that.  Maybe there would be a 10%
                 difference in the price of gas, maybe it would have been
                 a few months longer that would could pump out more
                 carbon emissions with impunity.  So what?  Pumping more
                 oil is not a long-term strategy and it's not even an
                 effective stopgap.  Our oil production is down by 24%
                 since 1985 and our consumption is up by 10% in the past
                 10 years.  Cheap gas just drives consumption, which only
                 delays the inevitable while causing further environmental
                 damage.  -tom
                 \_ So we now know where you stand.  The higher the gas price
                    the better, right?  Right now demand is outstripping supply
                    by about 1 million barrels perday, which would be exactly
                    filled by ANWR. Go away tom, you're anti-civilization.
                    -emarkp
                    \_ Maybe he's anti-civilization-as-we-know-it, which is
                       unsustainable. Can the whole world live like us?
                    \_ The U.S. uses 25% of the world's supply of oil, and
                       produces 25% of the world's carbon emissions.  Do you
                       really think that's necessary for civilization?  -tom
                       \_ Right now, yes.  We need to move away from burning
                          the oil (I'd rather it be used for plastic anyway),
                          but it's going to take decades.  We need more oil for
                          now to sustain civilization until we can make the
                          switch. -emarkp
                          \_ How are we going to make the switch without the
                             crucial signal that higher prices provide? Do
                             you propose using legislation like the CAFE
                             rules and perhaps more? -ausman
                             \_ No, we need the higher prices, but the current
                                shock to the system is too fast.  We need to
                                have a buffer to help it rise gently. (This may
                                be the one thing I agree with Obama about.)
                                -emarkp
                                \_ Okay, we are in agreement here. But if we had
                                   say, ANWAR on line, I doubt that the oil
                                \_ Okay, we are in agreement here. But if we
                                   had say, ANWAR on line, I doubt that the oil
                                   companies would moderate the amount they
                                   drill to try and control price shocks. Such
                                   pump to try and control price shocks. Such
                                   behavior would probably even be considered
                                   illegal price fixing. Our best bet is to
                                   try and talk the Saudis into pumping more.
                                   I am not really sure why they are not doing
                                   that already. Perhaps they don't really have
                                   any more to pump. -ausman
                                   \_ Oil companies don't have to moderate it,
                                      the market will.  Global demand and the
                                      extraction of all the cheap oil is going
                                      to push up the price.  The artificially
                                      capped supply, and the huge amount of it
                                      in unstable regions is what is causing
                                      the current spike. -emarkp
              \_ In 1990, George H.W. Bush, calling himself "the environmental
                 president," signed an order putting virtually all the U.S.
                 outer continental shelf's oil and gas reserves in the deep
                 freeze.
        \_ What does this have to do with the Global Warming Hoax?
        \_ Yeah! We should tear that shit up and ignore the consequences!
           Global Warming's a lie! The environment is out to get us! Kill!
           Kill!
           \_ Excellent false dichotomy sir!  The Dem-controlled subcommittee
              killed this yesterday, saying oil production off the continental
              shelf isn't important.  The NAS found that the offshore industry
              is among the safest industrial activities in the United States.
              Outer continental shelf operations are more than five times less
              likely to cause a spill than oil tankers who are importing oil.
              -emarkp
              \_ "safest industrial activities": what does this have to do
                 with the environmental impact of offshore drilling? Cutting
                 down trees is safer than blowing them up with dynamite; so
                 therefore cutting down trees has no environmental impact?
                 \_ Actually, cutting down trees with dynamite is probably
                    safer.  You can be far away when it falls down.
                 \_ Just come out and say that you favor high gas prices if
                    that's what you want.  It's a reasonable position.
                    Claiming the 76b barrels of oil is insignificant is not.
                 \_ The environmental impact is less than shipping the oil.  As
                    I wrote above.  And, natural seeps account for 150 to 175
                    times more oil in the ocean than outer continental shelf
                    oil and gas operations. -emarkp
                    \_ It doesn't matter how much load the system is able
                       to handle.  What matters is what happens when you
                       push them too far and the system falls down.  A lot of
                       environmental issues work that way.  It's classic
                       thrashing behavior.
                    \_ And other environmental concerns apart from leaks?
                       \_ Which are?  (Serious question here.  I could guess
                          what your concerns are, but would like rather to know
                          what you're thinking of.) -emarkp
                          \_ Drilling too deep might awaken Cthulhu.
                          \_ Drilling discharges; habitat impact; concerns
                             related to construction of oil-processing and
                             offshore drilling support infrastructure.
                             \_ Drilling discharges are currently less than
                                natural seepage.  What habitat impact?
                                Drilling is in a very small area compared to
                                the coastline.  Support infrastructure isn't
                                more than loading oil shipped from other
                                countries. -emarkp
                                \_ Your statement on drilling discharges is
                                   not accepted as canon. Habitat is not a
                                   function of size of geo. area but the
                                   ecosystem in question. Your last statement
                                   implies that we have to support offshore
                                   continental shelf drilling somewhere so
                                   it might as well be here. This is a false
                                   choice. If there comes a time when drilling
                                   can be done with no or even minimal impact
                                   to the environment, I'll be much more likely
                                   to support it. Until then, no.
            \_ here's a more pragmatic question.  At what oil price level
                do you think all these environmental concerns will break down
                and the stuff get extracted anyway?
        \_ Your math is wrong, or your source is. The US imports 13.5M bbls/
           day, which works out to 4.8B/yr, so 76B only lasts 16 years.
           Even if you charitably throw Canada in there, we still import 4B/yr.
2008/6/12-13 [Politics] UID:50245 Activity:nil
6/12    When is the iPhone 3G coming out? Where can I find news on when
        it'll be out? ok thx.
        \_ July 11, google news
2008/6/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:50246 Activity:nil
6/12    I've never been to New England, but will be going soon. Among the
        things we can do, we can spend a day/night in Cape Cod or Block
        Island. Block Island (from photos) seems more beautiful with the
        bluffs, but perhaps it's too cozy. Which is better for a first-timer?
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