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2008/6/4-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:50148 Activity:nil
6/4     Wow.  Christians warned for preaching to Muslims, because it's a hate
        crime?
        http://csua.org/u/lpd
        \_ "A West Midlands Police spokesman said an investigation into the
            complaint had concluded that the PCSO had acted 'with the best of
            intentions' when he 'intervened to diffuse a heated argument
            between two groups of men'.
            A statement added: 'Following this investigation, the PCSO has
            been offered guidance about what constitutes a hate crime and
            advice on communication style.'"
           In other words, no.
           \_ communist
              \_ Yeah, that's what I get for reading the actual story.
2008/6/4-10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:50149 Activity:low
6/4     In Venezuela, ratting on neighbor is the law
        http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-flavenez0603sbjun03,0,4071658.story
        \_ Hugo Chavez: proving at every turn that scumbaggery knows no
           ideological boundaries.
           \_ Yeah, he's totally breaking new ground as far as communist
              strongmen go...
              \_ Funny. Actually, he made several improvements to the country
                 and he continues to do so; he's also not breaking any ground
                 on the Civil Liberties front.
                 \_ Name those improvements.  He's a thug like all other thugs.
                    I hope you don't tell us how he made the trains run on
                    time.
                    \_ He nationalized a corrupt oil industry and funneled
                       at least some of the money to improving conditions for
                       the poorest Venezuelans.
                       \_ Wow, so a corrupt politician cum dictator took
                          property away from corrupt businesses and tossed some
                          breadcrumbs to the peasants.  Yay!  He's my friend
                          now!
                       \_ I dunno how corrupt the foreign investment of
                          infrastructure part of the Venezuelan oil industry
                          was that he nationalized.  It looks like he has
                          embarked on a poorly planned program of massive
                          socialism to placate the masses and buy their
                          votes to keep himself in power, without thinking
                          of the further economic consequences.  and I'm a
                          bleeding heart American liberal.
                    \_ From Wikipedia:
                       "By the end of the first three years of his presidency,
                        Chavez had initiated a land transfer program and had
                        introduced several reforms aimed at improving the
                        social welfare of the population. These reforms
                        entailed the lowering of infant mortality rates; the
                        implementation of a free, government-funded health
                        care system; and free education up to the university
                        level. By December of 2001, inflation fell to 12.3%
                        the lowest since 1986,[38] while economic growth was
                        steady at four percent.[39] Chavez's administration
                        also reported an increase in primary school enrollment
                        by one million students.[39]"
                       And that's about it for the good. You're right: he is a
                       thug. That his thuggery happened to also involve some
                       social improvements doesn't change that. On the plus
                       side, he didn't suspend the constitution after the ppl
                       voted down his Chavez-for-life proposal. On the minus
                       side, hell, just about everything else.
2008/6/4-10 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50150 Activity:nil
6/4     jobs jobs jobs.  Wavemarket in emeryville is hiring java guys.
        see /csua/pub/jobs/wavemarket for description and contact email.
        I'm also putting together a req. for a SysAdmin (debian mostly) or
        half-SysAdmin,half-Operations person.  You can contact me directly
        if you, or someone you know, is interested in that. -crebbs
        \_ What's the difference between SA and Operations Person?
         \_ SA: Machines run.  Operations: our software is still running
            on those machines.  More or less.
         \_ The above is pretty good.  In this case the primary difference
            is that SA is working for me and the Operations job is working
            for the Director of Operations.  The operations part requires
            more job requests from the few non-technical people we have.
            Maybe running/automating reports, and that kind of thing.
            (In the language of the above poster: "How is our software
            running on those machines"? ) Though, there is a cross-over,
            which is why it may be one person doing both jobs.  -crebbs
2008/6/4-8 [Recreation/Food] UID:50151 Activity:nil
6/4     I will eat lunch today even if doing so causes the apocalypse.
        \_ So did you?   I dont recall any apocalypse happening an its after
           lunch time.
           \_ I haven't had lunch yet.  --someone else
2008/6/4 [Recreation/Dating, Health/Women] UID:50152 Activity:nil
6/4     What's it going to cost (hooker)? No naked women but still NSFW
        http://valleywag.com/364361/one+question-faq-whats-it-cost
2008/6/4-9 [Uncategorized] UID:50153 Activity:nil
6/4     Thus begins our cool grey goo tomorrow:
        http://blog.reprap.org/2008/06/reprap-achieves-replication.html
2008/6/4-10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:50154 Activity:moderate
6/4     Zimbabwe opposition leader has been detained by police
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7435869.stm
        Goodbye, Tsvangirai; we have failed you
        \_ This is sad.  I'm curious though, who is 'we'?  I'm not sure there's
           much the West could have done about Mugabe, we don't have much
           leverage left.
           \_ We should have negotiated.  Used diplomacy.  Talked with him.
        \_ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080605/ap_on_re_af/zimbabwe_22
           Diplomats attacked.
           \_ This amounts to an act of war. Arrest Mugabe.
              \_ Yeah, cause getting into yet another war is really what the
                 US needs right now.
                 \_ Feh. Arresting Mugabe would be somewhere between Grenada
                    and Panama. And we can probably count on his neighbors to
                    help out. Hell, just bus back all the Zimbabweans who are
                    in SA right now and hand them guns.
                    \_ And we could do it, if we weren't already over
                       comitted in Iraq and Afghanistan. Reason #479 why
                       invading Iraq was a dumb idea.
                       \_ Amen, brother.
                       \_ Invading Iraq was a dumb idea, but why the hell
                          should the US invade Zimbabwe?  Maybe a UN force
                          with a strong US contigent ala Serbia I could get
                          behind (but I'd still be skeptical) but a US
                          lead invasion?  Seriously?
                          \_ A UN force would be fine by me. -op
2008/6/4-10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:50155 Activity:moderate
6/4     Obama promises to eliminate Iran
        http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSWAT00959220080604
        Nevermind, Obama is ok with me now. -motd ex-Obama hater
        \_ Where in the article does it mention eliminating Iran?
           \_ "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be
              to eliminate this threat"
              \_ Eliminating the threat, not eliminating the country.
                 \_ So, he's just going to eliminate all their military
                    capabilities?
                    \_ Eliminating a threat does not always mean bombing
                       back to the stone age.  In fact, bombing back to the
                       stone age often doesn't eliminate a threat, see Iraq.
                       \_ So, he's going to give them WTO membership and
                          they'll learn to love the Jews and stop promising
                          to "wipe them off the map"?
                          \_ I didn't realize that was the only other choice.
                             Silly me.
                          \_ It is this kind of binary thinking that got us
                             into the mess we are in in the first place.
                             \_ Exactly!  We should just talk with them.  Use
                                the power of diplomacy and negotiate.  The pen
                                is mightier than the sword.  After Obama has a
                                chance to talk with Iran's leadership, they'll
                                come around and see this was all just a big
                                misunderstanding and it'll be just like Nixon
                                going to China.  We don't need binary
                                thinking.  We need Obama's fuzzy thinking.
                                \_ The world is more complex than you are
                                   capable of imagining.
                                   \_ I'm capable of quite a lot, thanks.  Are
                                      you saying we should not talk to anyone?
                                      It is hard to tell what you're trying to
                                      say since you said so little.
                                      \_ Your snarkiness does not really
                                         indicate a desire for a serious reply.
                                         If you are actually interested in a
                                         serious conversation about how
                                         International Diplomacy works (when
                                         not run by arrogant boobs, like the
                                         current Admin) I will be happy to
                                         have one with you. But you might be
                                         better off picking up a copy of
                                         Foreign Affairs first.
                                         \_ My snarkiness?  I made a statement.
                                            Your only replies were to insult
                                            me.  You have still added nothing
                                            to this thread.  Why did you even
                                            bother to post if you had nothing
                                            to add?
                                            \_ "We need Obama's fuzzy thinking"
                                                is a statement? Do you really
                                                believe that?
                                                is a non-snarky statement?
                                                Do you really believe that? The
                                                whole paragraph was snarky.
        \_ "Obama also vowed to vigorously support Israel's right to defend
           itself ......".  See, I told you, Obama is not black.  Only a day
           after he secured the Democratic nomination using support from black
           people, he's already letting out his 50% whiteness.
           \_ Black people hate Israel?  I didn't know that sterotype.
              \_ Yeah, and Latinos hating blacks is just another stereotype,
                 too.  Yeah, really.
        \_ And a politician *never* goes back on his promises, right?
           \_ If we're going to go with this assumption, then I'm voting for
              Obama because I like him better, no other reason.
                 \_ You are insane aren't you?
                    \_ Didn't Hillary dominate the Hispainc vote because of
                       racial tension between Lations and blacks?
           \_ In this country, you cannot win the presidency if you
              don't support the Jews. It's as simple as that.
              \_ Or any other group with more that accounts for 5% or more of
                 the people.  I'm sure you didn't intend to sound racist when
                 you said that.
                 \_ The GOP routinely wins office with less than 10% support
                    from Blacks, a voting block much larger than 5% of the
                    population. Not to detract from your main point though.
                    \_ This has been based, traditionally, on voter apathy
                       among blacks. See if this changes this year.
                       \_ Hello mr. clueless!
2008/6/4-9 [Uncategorized] UID:50156 Activity:nil
6/4     Weird sports merch.  #3 is perfect for motd gun guys!
        http://www.asylum.com/2008/06/04/wonderfully-weird-and-useless-sports-merch
2008/6/4-9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:50157 Activity:nil
6/4     "China cordons off schools collapsed by quake"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080604/ap_on_re_as/china_earthquake
        The Chinese govt's short-lived openess is over.
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