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2008/5/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49946 Activity:nil
5/15    Sign the angry renter petition! No bailouts!
        http://angryrenter.com
        \_ Angry renter?  How about the 99% of mortgage holders who pay their
           bills *and* the taxes that would fund a bailout?
        \_ Actually a product of a billionaire and a politician:
           http://www.csua.org/u/lk4
2008/5/15-16 [Industry/Jobs, Transportation/Car] UID:49947 Activity:nil
5/15    Tired of CS? become a gopher trapper! (appropos of nothing)
        http://www.thegophergetters.com/helpwanted.html
        Man, pocket gophers have pretty big heads for their body size.
        \_ Gopher Trapper is a terrible place to work at - ex-Gopher Trapper
        \_ Gopher trapper is a terrible place to work at - ex-Gopher trapper
        \_ I wonder if it's safe to eat your average garden gopher?
        \_ I don't understand why so many ex Gopher Trappers are doing
           non Gopher Trapping stuff when they stop Gopher Trapping.
        \_ Big surprise, Gopher Trapping is better value than
        \_ Big surprise, Gopher Trapping is a better value than
        \_ I don't understand why so many ex Gopher trappers are doing
           non Gopher trapping stuff when they stop Gopher trapping.
        \_ Big surprise, Gopher trapping is a better value than
           masturbating all day to Cuddy.
2008/5/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49948 Activity:moderate
5/15    Amateur motd directors, what do you think of the East Bay Express's
        article on why UCB should fire John Woo for just being an all around
        terrible director:
        http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/PrintFriendly?oid=727134
        \_ I was unaware of the purpose of john woo's old office in
           the administration.  now i know!
        \- ths is an interesting and hard problems. much, much discussion
           at brad delong WOB site.
        \_ Anyone who says stuff we don't like should be destroyed!  Free
           speech is only for people who agree with us!
           \_ This might be a little deeper than that.  Read the article
              then come back.  It's not that he says things that are
              unpopular, but he might have either just made up
              law out of his ass, or committed a crime, or perhaps
              he was just following the instructions of someone else.
              I don't think this is a free speech issue.
           \_ Do you think that mob boss who orders a hit is protected
              by a "free speech" defence?
              \_ No, I do not.
        \_ I think that he has tenure and should not be fired until he is
           convicted of a felony. I believe he committed one, but we should
           wait until the legal system has decided that or not. What if
           Bush pardons him though, which looks more and more likely?
           \_ I keep hearing that Bush is going to pardon all these people,
              but I haven't seen him actually do it.
              \_ These pardons usually come in a Presidents last week
                 in office.
                 \- "i have a pardon in my pocket" jyoo@autodafe.berkeley.edu
2008/5/15 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:49949 Activity:nil 90%like:49958
5/15    Big surprise: GOOG is a better value than YHOO:
        http://seekingalpha.com/article/77410-comparing-valuations-of-yahoo-vs-google
2008/5/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:49950 Activity:high
5/15    CA Supreme Court legalizes same-sex marriage
        http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080515174435.xgo31cvp&show_article=1
        So much for law.
        \_ Must people in ORANGE COUNTY are disgusted by this.   -oc
        \_ I don't hate gays.  I like gays.  I am straight.  I'm fine with
           gays getting married.  marry who ever you want.  I believe
           that in the united states, children are served best by having
           a present mother and a present father in their life.  not divored.
           someone around up until they leave the nest.  now notice i mean
           a 'female mother figure' and a 'male father figure'  does this
           make me a flaming homophobe?  help me motd, you are my only hope.
           \_ No it makes you an in-denile homobphobe.
           \_ No it makes you an in-denial homophobe.
           \_ Not necessarily a flaming homophobe, just ill-informed as to
              what serves children best. I'd argue that a stable home-life
              with love, attention, and discipline is better than simply having
              a female mom and a male dad at home.
              \_ What would Glenn Beck think?
           \_ Perhaps true and fits in with my own bias, but I would like to
              see actual studies before I made such a statement. Would you
              have The State take away children if their parents get a divorce,
              too? The fact is, people do things I disapprove of all the time,
              but that doesn't give me the right to try and regulate their
              behaviour.
        \_ If you're into gay marriage, you MUST check out Planet Unicorn
           HEYYYYY:
           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQJD1ura7G4
        \_ Not sure what you're implying... actually I know what you are
           implying.  Courts interpret the law.  So it's... the law!
           state props suck anyway.  Given enough money I could hire
           a vast army to get my geeks should be forced to swear
           CA state props suck anyway.  Given enough money I could hire
           a vast army to get my Geeks should be forced to swear
           forged iron slave collars and 20 sided dice prop on the ballot.
           It's far to easy to get your pet legal initiative on to the
           It's far too easy to get your pet legal initiative on to the
           ballot of the largest state in the country, which is insane.
           \_ I'm implying that laws should be interpreted based on how they
              were written. It's the only protection we have against tyranny.
              \_ And I think the Court's job is to determine if a state prop
                 is constitutional.  The Court decided the state prop is
                 not constitutional.  I'm more afraid of being tyrannyized
                 by a CA state prop than the court, what about you?
                 \_ More afraid of the court, really.  7 people telling the
                    rest of us what to do, who aren't subject to election?
                    \_ They're subject to recall.  In all seriousness, I really
                       am more afraid of specious CA ballot proposition
                       stuck on the ballot with not very well thought out
                       consequences, than the state supreme court.  I really
                       do think that it's a lot better to have your law
                       painfully go through the House/Senate bill process
                       (and hopefully die in committee) than for it to
                       magically pop up there one day because someone
                       with too much money hired 1000 people to stand in
                       front of your local supermarket and have you sign
                       their petition.
                       \_ Admittedly, I don't think the court would have
                          outlawed eating horse meat. -!pp
                       \_ So you don't trust the voters, but you do trust the
                          judges.  Okey doke.
                          \_ How do you like the CA prop system?  What if
                             get a ballot init to outlaw Catholics?
                             \_ See, that's why we ratified the constitution.
                                The individual laws have to conform to the
                                constitution.  However, a judge redefining
                                language long after that document is written is
                                a huge mistake.  Fundamentally, the power rests
                                with us, the people.  I vastly prefer the prop
                                system to activist judges.
                                \_ The opinion talks about this at some length.
                                \_ The opinion (link:csua.org/u/lji deals
                                   with this question directly and in detail.
                                   Have a look at pages 107-116, starting with
                                   "The Proposition 22..." and ending before
                                   "After carefully evaluating...".
                   http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/S147999.PDF
                                \_ The opinion (csua.org/u/lji) deals with
                                   this in detail.  Look at pages 107-116,
                                   starting with "The Proposition 22..." and
                                   ending at "After carefully evaluating...".
                                \_ Judges are supposed to decide if a law
                                   is constitutional or not.  They are the
                                   check on just any insane law getting passed.
                                \_ How did the CA SC redefine language?
                                   \_ The word "marriage"
                                      \_ The word marriage has only ever
                                         legally meant a contract between two
                                         consenting adults according to the
                                         CA constitution. No redefinition
                                         there. Try again.
        \_ Unconstitutional laws are by definition unlawful.
        \_ I just don't get it. Let's allow gay marriage, they'll just
           marry each other and becomes extinct. It's how nature
           \_ not if they get artificially inseminated and raise
              hot lesbians. mmmmm lesbians.
           works. it's like someone who has cancer and demands society
           to recognize them as healthy. Well fine, you'll just die,
           it's the best proof that you are NOT healthy.
           \_ Actually how nature is supposed to work is, gay marrying each
              other will have no offspring, so their disease is self
              contained and when they die the disease dies with them.
              But now they want to adopt, and corrupt their
              offsprings. This must be out-lawed.
              other will have no offspring, so their disease is self contained
              and when they die the disease dies with them. But now they want
              to adopt, and corrupt their offsprings. This must be out-lawed.
              \_ I would so vote for a constitutional amendment labeling you
                 an idiot.
        \_ This is the perfect time to get a wedge issue like gay marriage on the
           ballot and raise all of those Republican value voters from the dead to
           vote in the November election, assuring McCain's future 100 year
           reign of darkness after he wins and declares elections a quaint
           honorable custom favored by my honorable opponent, until our boys
           in Iraq stop dying.  Great timing, gay people!
        \_ This is the perfect time to get a wedge issue like gay marriage on
           the ballot and raise all of those Republican value voters from the
           dead to vote in the November election, assuring McCain's future 100
           year reign of darkness after he wins and declares elections a
           quaint honorable custom favored by my honorable opponent, until our
           quaint custom favored by my honorable opponent, until our
           boys in Iraq stop dying.  Great timing, gay people!
           \_ This is by far the most hilarious post. Thanks!
2008/5/15-16 [Science/Space] UID:49951 Activity:kinda low
5/15    East Bay faces water rationing
        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/15/BA0710ME05.DTL
        Here is my favorite quote from article:
        "I've got half an acre of lawn, a swimming pool and three teenagers,"
        said Alex Theriault, a contractor from Danville whose bi-monthly water
        bills top $1,400. "I can't afford not to cut back. But I'm not losing
        the lawn. My kids like it too much. And I'm not losing the pool. I
        like the pool."
        \_ So, no more showers kids!
           \_ That's what the pool is for.
        \_ Dang, at $700 a month, how can she afford not to cut back?
        \_ Gee, the bi-monthly bill for my single-family home in Fremont with
           four adults, two kids and a lawn is ~$30.
           \_ No way.  You're claiming only $5/month for each of 6 people?
              So no one showers, the lawn is a sand dune, and no one cooks?
              Ridiculous.
              \_ I live in Fremont.  Maybe ACWD rates are lower than other
                 water districts.  Besides, I re-use bath water to flush the
                 toilets, I have a front-load washing macine, and I don't
                 water the lawn every day.
        \_ All the suburbs in LA would die
           \_ Good! - angry motd urban guy
        \_ This is what suburban life is all about: overcomsumption of the
           world resources and a strong feeling of entitlement about it.
           I wonder if this guy still drives his SUV 50 miles each way to
           work.
           \_ what consumes more water, useless suburban half acre lawns
              or agriculture in former desert land in CA?  admittedly,
              at least the farmers grow something.
              \_ Last time I checked residential water use was a few % compared
                 to farmers growing wet water crops in arid regions using over
                 90% of consumed water.
2008/5/15-16 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW] UID:49952 Activity:nil
5/15    Texan super ants hate your computer.
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_re_us/texas_ants
2008/5/15-16 [Reference/Religion] UID:49953 Activity:moderate
5/15    motd mormon troll guy, are you on vacation?
        "The Mormon Church has instructed its lawyers to gag the Internet over
         WikiLeaks' release of the 1968 and 1999 versions of its confidential
         handbook for Church leaders. Apart from attacking WikiLeaks, legal
         demands were sent to Jimmy Wales of the WikiMedia foundation for a
         WikiNews article merely linking to the material, and http://scribd.com has
         also been censored. WikiLeaks has (of course) refused to remove the
         documents."
         http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Mormon_Church_Handbook_of_Instructions_(1999
         http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Mormon_Church_attempts_to_gag_Internet_over_handbook
         http://guyintheback.ws/09-Biggest/biggest.html
         \_ So What?  They're a real religion.  They're serious.  They believe
            in things which are completely insane like other religions, but
            the origins of their faith are so recent, there is no veil of
            time to cover up the crazy parts.  This means, Mormon people
            really believe in stuff.  This has the corollary that they're
            also serious about morality.  Compare the average clean cut
            Mormon to the average slouchy cafeteria Catholic. The Mormon is a
            serious person.  The Catholic might as well be an atheist.
            Mormons don't drink, smoke, jerk off or even drink coffee.
            That's pretty serious.
         \_ Are all Mormons this big?
            http://guyintheback.ws/02-Other/OT-ChristinaCashFB.html
            \_ she used to be a lot smaller.
               http://guyintheback.ws/04-Webshots/WS-christinacash.html
               I guess all that Mormon tea really packs on the pounds.
               all that Mormon tea really packs on the pounds.
               \_ Amazing this is same girl:
                  before: http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=5721139
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721139.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721279.jpg
                  after mission: http://http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=6966333
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966477.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966717.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966369.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/fullsize2/006966180.jpg
                          \_ Jesus christ.  I thought Mormons think eating
                                    50 cheeseburgers per day is a sin.
                  please, keep eating!
                  \_ This is a Mormon girl who's been on a mission?  Seems unlikely.
            \_ This is a Mormon girl who's been on a mission?  I doubt it.
            \_ They don't jerk off? What an inhumane religion...
               \_ You don't need to when you have multiple wives to service
                  you.
         admittedly a lot of the handbook stuff is exactly how i would expect
         a 'mormon handbook' to look like.  it's kind of like when people
         a 'mormon handbook' to look like.  it's like when people
         condemn the new pope for acting like the new pope when he says
         Catholicism is the best and he condemns other religions.  What the
         heck do you expect the Pope to do?
2008/5/15 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:49954 Activity:moderate 66%like:49957
5/15    When will this winfall be taxed?
        http://csua.org/u/ljk
        \_ my brain is hurting from trying to parse this article.
           Harvard == GIANT UNREGULATED HEDGE FUND!!!!!!!!!!
           you know there are real live unregulated giant hedge funds
           out there who do actual shady documented crap, they probably
           don't concern themselves with giving out degrees.
        \_ The fact that this is from Glenn Beck explains it all.
           GO IRAQ WAR IT IS THE RIGHT THING!
           \_ But Glenn Beck apologized for misleading America and being
              a cheerleader for an incompetent and corrupt Administration.
              Right?
        \_ "But while their financial statements may look similar, their
           missions aren't. The Gates Foundation is working to cure malaria,
           develop new tuberculosis vaccines, and stop the spread of AIDS.
           Most of our colleges and universities are only working to spread
           the radical political views of some of their professors."  Oh
           that's right Glen Beck.  Harvard (which he had just been writing
           about a sentance earlier.) just exists to spread radical politics!
           THOSE DAMN FIFTH COLUMNISTS AT HARVARD.  You read this shit and
           take it seriously?  Do you have more braincells than God gave a
           toy poodle?  This dude makes the chewbacca defense seem reasonable.
           chihuahua?  This dude makes the chewbacca defense seem reasonable.
        \_ yeah, whoever posted the url... glen beck is not a noted
           economist.  people pay attention to him.  im not sure why.
           he's not as mean spirited as Rush.  that might be it.
        \_ My favorite quote:
           "You'd be taxing success here," Kevin Casey, Harvard's associate
           vice president for government, community and public affairs
           complained in a quote that will soon be framed and hung in my
           office. "Over time, this would put us at a real competitive
           disadvantage, which would drastically hurt the Commonwealth."
2008/5/15-16 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49955 Activity:nil
5/15    Here's a thread for big boob guy:
         http://guyintheback.ws/09-Biggest/biggest.html
            http://guyintheback.ws/02-Other/OT-ChristinaCashFB.html
            \_ she used to be a lot smaller.
               http://guyintheback.ws/04-Webshots/WS-christinacash.html
               all that Mormon tea really packs on the pounds.
               \_ Amazing this is same girl:
                  before: http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=5721139
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721139.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721279.jpg
                  after mission: http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=6966333
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966477.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966717.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966369.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/fullsize2/006966180.jpg
                          \_ Jesus christ.  I thought Mormons think eating
                                    50 cheeseburgers per day is a sin.
                  please, keep eating!
        \_ Elaine Smith is hot.
        http://guyintheback.ws/02-Other/OT-ChristinaCashFB.html
            \_ she used to be a lot smaller.
               http://guyintheback.ws/04-Webshots/WS-christinacash.html
               \_ Amazing this is same girl:
                  before: http://http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=5721139
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721139.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721279.jpg
                  after: http://http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=6966333
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966477.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966717.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966369.jpg
                          http://images.shareapic.net/fullsize2/006966180.jpg
2008/5/15-16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:49956 Activity:nil
5/15    new War Nerd out
        http://exile.ru/print.php?ARTICLE_ID=19027&IBLOCK_ID=35
2008/5/15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:49957 Activity:high 66%like:49954
5/15    When will this windfall be taxed?
        http://csua.org/u/ljk
        \_ My favorite quote:
           "You'd be taxing success here," Kevin Casey, Harvard's associate
           vice president for government, community and public affairs
           complained in a quote that will soon be framed and hung in my
           office. "Over time, this would put us at a real competitive
           disadvantage, which would drastically hurt the Commonwealth."
           \_ Amusingly, everyone else seems to have missed this. -op
              \_ Missed what?  Glenn Beck is still a tool. and a troll.
                 I hate you for making me think about him today.  You win.
                 \_ Missed the quote from Kevin Casey you moron.
                    \_ why didnt you point it out, furryboy?
                       \_ I figured "everyone else seems to have missed THIS"
                          pointing to the quote was sufficient.
                          \_ Yes, this is quite ironic.
        \_ my brain is hurting from trying to parse this article.
           Harvard == GIANT UNREGULATED HEDGE FUND!!!!!!!!!!
           you know there are real live unregulated giant hedge funds
           out there who do actual shady documented crap, they probably
           don't concern themselves with giving out degrees.
        \_ The fact that this is from Glenn Beck explains it all.
           GO IRAQ WAR IT IS THE RIGHT THING!
           \_ But Glenn Beck apologized for misleading America and being
              a cheerleader for an incompetent and corrupt Administration.
              Right?
        \_ "But while their financial statements may look similar, their
           missions aren't. The Gates Foundation is working to cure malaria,
           develop new tuberculosis vaccines, and stop the spread of AIDS.
           Most of our colleges and universities are only working to spread
           the radical political views of some of their professors."  Oh
           that's right Glen Beck.  Harvard (which he had just been writing
           about a sentance earlier.) just exists to spread radical politics!
           THOSE DAMN FIFTH COLUMNISTS AT HARVARD.  You read this shit and
           take it seriously?  Do you have more braincells than God gave a
           chihuahua?  This dude makes the chewbacca defense seem reasonable.
              \_ toy poodles are even stupider
                 \_ url?
           \_ Yeah. Never mind the universities spend far more money on useful
              research and training in engineering, fundamental sciences, life
              sciences, and yes, also in medicine. Neither the views of
              humanities faculties are necessarily politically radical.
              I have taken 3-4 humanities courses and never felt that
              the instructors were necessarily biased, much less spread
              radical views (although I know such people exist). This man
              discredited himself after that paragraph.
        \_ yeah, whoever posted the url... glen beck is not a noted
           economist.  people pay attention to him.  im not sure why.
           he's not as mean spirited as Rush.  that might be it.
        \_ This windfall is even more disgusting:
           http://csua.org/u/ljp (Times Online)
           \_ Why is ExxonMobil's profit disgusting?
              \_ It's disgusting in terms of the massive subsidies they still
                 get despite these sorts of profits.
                 \_ You're an idiot. Do you know how much they paid in taxes?
                    \_ Probably 35 percent on earned income, minus the
                       gajillion deductions any giant company with an army
                       of tax lawyers at their command should be claiming.
                       if you're talking about that recent email floating around
                       about how Exxon already pays 40 percent in taxes...
                       oh dont get me started.
                       if you're talking about that recent email floating
                       around about how Exxon already pays 40 percent in
                       taxes... oh dont get me started.
                       \_ IIRC, they paid more than 2x in taxes than they had
                          in profit.
2008/5/15-16 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:49958 Activity:nil 90%like:49949
5/15    Big surprise: GOOG is a better value than YHOO:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/5fhzb6 [seekingalpha]
2008/5/15 [Recreation/Dating] UID:49959 Activity:nil 80%like:49960
5/15    Cute girls:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gty73p4AYuA
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr_IroQwcjQ
2008/5/15-16 [Recreation/Dating] UID:49960 Activity:insanely high 80%like:49959
5/15    Cute underaged girls. Why do you keep deleting it?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gty73p4AYuA
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr_IroQwcjQ
        http://tinyurl.com/4bpg88
        \_ If I knew where you lived, I would come over and delete you.
        \_ Whoever posted this, thanks! I got a chance to refresh my
           now very broken Japanese.
        \_ This is beyond stupid.
           \_ Why is this stupid again? Her Japanese is very good.
           \_ So is Jackie Johnson.
              \_ This is much better:
                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmzcKXsllWs
        \_ Can someone translate?  The only things I can get is:
        \_ Can someone translate?  The only things I can pick out is:
           1. The text at the end of both videos is "arigatoo", meaning
              "thanks".
           2. At 0:09 into the second video, she said "I went to Japan."
        \_ Why are her eyes so large?
           \_ Some people like large round eyes.
              Some people like small slanty eyes.
              What do you like?
           \_ I think she has large eyes to begin with, and then they are
              exaggerated by the webcam (usually having wide-angle lens) and
              the fact that she tilts her head down a little.
2008/5/15-23 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:49961 Activity:nil
5/15    How is Facebook's authentication system different from OpenID?
        http://developers.facebook.com/documentation.php?doc=auth
        \_ I think the point might be that it is not?   We should get dans
           back on the motd, I bet he knows.  I miss his 50 lines tangents
           sometimes.
           \_ Conceptually it's the same as OAuth (which merged/is merging
              with OpenID).  AFAIK, Facebook's lack of support for OAuth
              is a political hedge to protect Facebook's 'walled garden'.
              -dans
2008/5/15-16 [Reference/Religion] UID:49962 Activity:nil
5/15    Mormon furries!
        http://transfigurism.org/community
        \_ Does transhumanism have something to do with furries? Never heard of
           it.
2008/5/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:49963 Activity:nil
5/15    some asian woman in a new honda just rolled up and took all
        of the aluminum cans and glass i put out for recycling.
        i guess i know how she got that new car.
        \_ Asian people are great at filling in free market niches
2008/5/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:49964 Activity:nil
5/15    Where can I torrent old episodes of SIMON AND SIMON?
2008/5/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:49965 Activity:nil
5/15    [pantsload of Glenn Beck drivel deleted.  if you care, go
        google for 'glenn' 'beck' 'harvard']
        \_ Without trolls, there wouldn't be much in the motd.
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