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2008/5/6-9 [Industry/Startup] UID:49889 Activity:kinda low
5/6     I'm inclined to believe that having a CEO as chairman of the board or
        really on the board of directors at all is not such a great idea.
        Yet nearly ervery company has this.  Some of this are bif stock holders
        and could get a seat without any outside support, but are there
        reasons that it's a good idea to have the CEO on the board? Just
        curious if there's a different perspective on this.
        \_ "I started this company, and I get to vote however I want to vote
           like 10X raise for all the executives."              -CEO
        \_ A more beginner's question: What's the difference between chairman,
           president, and CEO?  Thx.
           \_ CEO: a leech you would love to get rid of but doing so would
              be detrimental to stock values. Case in point, Larry Ellison,
              Bill Gates, etc.
           \_ Chairman: chairs the board, part time job at best
              CEO: represents the company, talks to investors, banks, the media
              President: runs the company on a day to day basis
              Other's may have a different defn, but that is what I have seen.
              \_ 1. What does "chair the board" mean besides, I guess, driving
                    the agenda in board meetings?
                 2. I thought it's the COO that runs the company on a day-to-
                    day basis.  No?
                 Thanks again.  -- PP
                 \_ 1) The board represents the owners/shareholders interests,
                     while
                      the CEO represents their selfish interests of ego, fame
                      and $.
                      We have a cult of the CEO in US. Separate CEO and Chairman\
                      more
                 \_ 1) The board represents the owners/shareholders
                     interests, while the CEO represents their selfish
                     interests of ego, fame and $.  We have a cult of
                     the CEO in US. Separate CEO and Chairman more
                     common in Europe.
                    2) Depends on company. All corporations have a charter.
                       "operations" may not be all of "running the company",
                       which
                       may not be all of "leading the company", which may be
                       separated
                       from determining best strategy to maximize shareholder
                       value.
                       Ford has executive chairman and vice-chairmen, some of
                       whom have
                       real responsibility for sourcing strategy, design, etc.
                            \- there ws actually a study about "superstar
                               CEOs" and under performace ... i forgot what
                               they correlated to ... airtime or magazine
                               covers etc but it was pretty negative. dunno
                               how they addressed regression to the mean tho.
                               \_ It's not difficult to show that most CEOS
                                  in the US don't do jack. The bigger question
                                  is what can we do about it... nothing.
                    2) Depends on company. All corporations have a
                       charter.  "operations" may not be all of
                       "running the company", which may not be all of
                       "leading the company", which may be separated
                       from determining best strategy to maximize
                       shareholder value.  Ford has executive chairman
                       and vice-chairmen, some of whom have real
                       responsibility for sourcing strategy, design,
                       etc.
                       \_ yet they still make inferior cars
2008/5/6-9 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:49890 Activity:nil
5/6     Will someone tell Hillary that our antitrust laws don't extend to
        foreign countries?
        \_ She made it clear that she would allow common citizens to sue and
           get them at the WTO, etc.
               \- hillary isnt the SOA on this:
                  http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-879
                  of course it would be interesting to see other countries
                  deciding US pushed IP regimes dont apply in their
                  domain. --psb
2008/5/6-9 [Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:49891 Activity:nil
5/6     So much for the $1M-per-piece "mine-resistant" vehicle.
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080505/wl_mcclatchy/2930304
        \_ Armor piercing shells from Iran can do that ya know.
           \_ AP from Syria works fine, too, and those AP shells smuggled
              out of Afghanistan are da BOMB.
              \_ Out of Afghanistan?  No.  They're going _into_ Afghanistan
                 from Iran.  How do you figure they're going from Afghanistan
                 into Iraq?  *boggle*  Here's the key parts of the article the
                 OP didn't read (from their own link):

                 The military has praised the vehicles for saving hundreds of
                 lives, saying they could withstand the IEDs, or improvised
                 explosive devices, which have been the biggest killers of
                 Americans in Iraq . The Pentagon has set aside $5.4 billion
                 to acquire 4,000 MRAPs at more than $1 million each, making
                 the MRAP the Defense Department's third largest acquisition
                 program, behind missile defense and the Joint Strike Fighter.

                 But last Wednesday's attack has shown that the MRAPs are
                 vulnerable to an especially potent form of IED known as an
                 EFP, for explosively formed penetrator, which fires a
                 superheated cone of metal through the vehicle's armor.

                 Military officials are still trying to determine whether last
                 week's attack is a sign of "new vulnerabilities (in the
                 vehicle) or new (weapons) capabilities" on the part of
                 insurgents, said Navy Capt. John Kirby , a spokesman for Adm.
                 Michael Mullen , chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

                 U.S. officials don't know if the EFP that pierced the MRAP
                 was larger, redesigned or a lucky shot from an old one. But
                 explosive experts in Iraq are investigating, said Col. Jerry
                 O'Hare , a military spokesman in Iraq .

                 So maybe the vehicle is flawed.  Maybe the Iranians have
                 developed a new weapon.  Maybe it was a lucky shot.  OP is
                 pretty flip about it and fortunately not in a position to
                 make decisions in the military.
                 \_ Yeah I read the whole article before posting.  I was just
                    disappointed that some $1M-per-piece hyped hardware
                    deployed only a year ago is already showing its
                    shortcomings at the theatre that it's designed to operate.
                    deployed merely a year ago is already showing its
                    shortcomings at the theatre that it's meant to operate.
                    -- OP
                    \_ Shaped metal projectiles penetrate tanks that cost much
                       more than $1M.  Our tanks now have explosive armor that
                       detonates projectiles like this.  The response is that
                       newer projectiles are two-stage shells--the first stage
                       takes the blast from the explosive armor, the second
                       stage penetrates.  Welcome to the arms race.
                       \_ Tank = $1 million
                          IED = $1 thousand
                          \_ You're confused.  The armor was never about
                             protecting the tank.  It is there to protect the
                             guys inside.  If they didn't put armor on anything
                             they could put more/bigger weapons/go faster on
                             the vehicles but the soldiers would die from
                             stray bullets.  With armor it takes special
                             weapons to kill them which are not readily
                             available.
                       \_ HEAT technology was invented in WWII.
           \_ Yeah, who could have possibly imagined that Iran might try to
              intervene into a US led occupation of Iraq?
              \_ Where's your 2001 post saying this?
                 \_ http://csua.com/2003/01/31/#27260 (Jan 2003)
2008/5/6-8 [Uncategorized] UID:49892 Activity:nil
5/6     This may be the coolest thing I've ever seen
        http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/06/phoneunlocking-simsh.html
2008/5/6-9 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:49893 Activity:high
5/6     didnt anyone on the motd notice a berkeley townie STABBED
        TO DEATH a UC Berkeley nuclear engineering senior on Friday?
        I don't like nuclear power but this is ridiculous.
        \_ This is just a case of two guys + dime store knife + alcohol.
           I've never heard the phrase "berkeley townie" before.  Since when
           have we become some elite-better-than-the-citizens upper class at
           Cal like some east coast school?
        \_ A) Link?
              \_ http://tinyurl.com/587ple
           B) Is there any evidence that the attack was due to his major?
              \_ no, it was due to a drunken argument.
                 \_ alcohol and nukes never mix
           C) What have you got against nuclear power?
        \_ Berkeley is a dangerous shithole. I can't believe how many
           young, drunk co-eds walk around Berkeley at night alone. When I
           was a student I would often escort these wayward lassies home
           when they encountered me on the street (I kept late hours).
           They were lucky I was a nice, normal guy who didn't even
           approach their apartment buildings let alone try something.
           This was the first student to die in 10 years AFAIK, but not the
           first that was stabbed or shot in that time.
           \_ You don't know what "dangerous shithole" means do you?  If
              Berkeley scares you you probably should just hide in your
              room and never go outside.
              \_ Is it Compton? No. It is a dangerous shithole? Yes, the
                 south and west sides are.
                 \_ 1. They aren't really dangerous or shitholes.  (There are
                       very small patches of shitty areas in Berkeley, yes,
                       but the vast majority is safe.)
                    2. Not many students live that far south or that far west.
                    3. The stabbing was in frat row, which funny enough is
                       the part of Berkeley I like walking around in least
                       (mostly because all the frat boys are obnoxious as
                       hell.)
                       \_ No kidding, in my four years at Cal I was threatened
                          with violence four times and three of those times
                          were on Frat Row, which I mostly avoided.
                          \_ When were you there? I agree that Berkeley in
                             the early 90s was bad, but it's much better now.
                             Ditto for North Oakland and Berkeley near San
                             Pablo. -!pp
                             \_ Early 90s. It was the Fraternity members who
                                did the threatening. I am small, had long hair
                                and wore a motorcycle jacket and the combo
                                seemed to send them into some kind of feeding
                                frenzy.
                                \_ Well, sorry, man, that part of the pop.
                                   probably hasn't changed much.
                                   \_ Which is funny because I'm pretty sure
                                      OP uses "dangerous shithole" as a
                                      (probably self closted) code word for
                                      "there are black people there" but
                                      really the part of Bekeley that made
                                      of a lot of us feel unsafe are the
                                      super white frat boys which nicknames
                                      like The Stevester.
                                      \_ Hey, it's super-racist again!  How's
                                         it feel to be a dick?
                                    \_ These days I have short hair, wear a
                                       a Cal sweatshirt on game days (which
                                       is when I go to Frat Row) and never
                                       have any problems. In fact, they are
                                       pretty friendly to me.
                                       \_ In other words, you've changed, and
                                          that part of the pop. hasn't.
                       \_ I lived on Frat Row (Durant near I-House) for 2 years
                          in a private residence which I rented. Frats were
                          sometimes obnoxious (usually only when they had
                          parties which isn't as often as you might think)
                          as were homeless people shouting in the middle of the
                          night. However, it wasn't that shitty or dangerous
                          compared to other parts of Berkeley. Almost all
                          of Berkeley is a shithole except for the Hills.
                          Not all of Berkeley is dangerous. Just all the
                          parts you might want to go to as a student and
                          some parts (on the West side) that you wouldn't.
              \_ 'You don't know what "dangerous shithole" means do you?'
                 The meaning seems fairly straight forward to me, is there
                 some subtlety to the term I may be missing? -!pp
              \_ Gourmet Ghetto and Solano Ave are particularly dangerous
                 at night. Not to mention Fourth Street. The roving bands of
                 yuppies scare the hell out of me.
        \_ Why don't you like nuclear power?  Are you a Luddite?
        \_ See, those poor Berkeleyites get bitter and cling to knives and
           environmentalim.
           environmentalism.
        \_ Stabbing someone is more environmentally sustainable than
           nuking them.  The fallout problems would be insane.
2008/5/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:49894 Activity:moderate 75%like:49913
5/6     Hey, Yoo lover: Yale denounces its own
        http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/05/john-yoo-and-pr.html
        Thanks for the link, psb.
        \- er, so does berkeley
           http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/05/the-torture-mem.html
        \_ It's always better when an entire school suffers from group-think,
           right?
           \_ You mean the hippie dippie liberal 'group think' that torture
              is wrong, makes us look like complete idiots to the world,
              and doesn't give us reliable intelligence?  Sign me up
              for group think then.
              \_ No I don't mean that.  It has nothing to do with agendas.  It
                 has to do with the OP talking about a school "deouncing their
                 own".  I'm saying a school is thousands of people.  They
                 don't all have to agree with each other on everything.
                 That's inane.
                 \_ Any turly educated person agrees with me.
                   \_ How tur.
                 \_ Right. Your interpretation would be retarded, and I couldn't think
                    of a better verb than "denounces." I can't imagine anything
                    closer to "Yale denounces its own" having meaning, than the dean
                    of the law school criticizing Yoo on legal, ethical and moral
                    grounds at a large, official gathering of that institution, such
                    as commencement, which is exactly what happened. -op
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