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2008/4/21-30 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49786 Activity:nil
4/19    Bush interrogation program was being used before Yoo memo
        http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-horton21apr21,0,1892568.story
        \_ He and Libby will both get a pardon.
2008/4/21-5/2 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:49787 Activity:nil
4/21    Yahoo Instant Messenger is not encrypted. Are there chat programs
        that are a bit more secure than YIM?
        \_ what OS are you using?
        \_ What are your goals? Corporate security, or preventing your wife
           from eavesdropping on you? If you're using IM for internal company
           communication, you shouldn't be using anything where you don't
           control the server; deploy an internal messaging server instead.
           Jabber-based servers are popular for this.
        \_ I think AIM supports encryption (at least it seems to when I'm
           using iChat or Adium).  I think GTalk supports encryption as well.
        \_ Beware of webcams pointing at your screen!
        \_ There is encryption but it's a pain in the ass sometimes.
        \_ Both you and your mistress log on to soda using ssh.  Then run the
           good o' "talk" program.
           good o' "talk" program.  You two will have a more intimate
           experience than using popular chat programs, coz now you can see
           every keystroke by the other instead of just line by line.
           every keystroke by the other instead of just line by line.  (Imagine
           all kinds of real-time animation you can do with the '-' key and the
           backspace key.)
           what animation you can do with the '-' key and the backspace key.)
        \_ install adium or pidgin-otr.  Trust in nikitab.
2008/4/21-5/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Aspolito] UID:49788 Activity:nil
4/21    You'll appreciate this tom holub:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4
        \_ Target rich environment?
        \_ I missed it (don't want to be a spoiler) completely!  This
           would be a great TV commercial here in the US.
           \_ Except most American don't care about bears.
              \_ I think aspolito cares very much about bears.
                 \_ I think aspolito wants to be sodomized by bears.
        \_ I think it's clever, although I had already read about the research
           this was based on, so I knew what to expect.
           I think the message is actually a bit off.  No amount of telling
           people "look out for cyclists" will make them look out for cyclists.
           Your goal as a cyclist is to put yourself in a position to be the
           expected thing rather than the unexpected one.  -tom
2008/4/21-5/2 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:49789 Activity:nil
4/21    What's a good term for a place that is easy to move into but
        hard to move out? Like "Tenessee is like a __________, it's
        so easy to move into but once you're in it, it's really hard
        to move out."
        Some of the terms I can think of are: blackhole, trap. Anything
        else you can think of?
        \_ tar pit
        \_ Roach Motel.  In the old days in Hong Kong, Black Flag actually
           mode a version of Roach Motel where there was a one-way metal
           made a version of Roach Motel where there was a one-way metal
           push door leading to the bait in a semi-transparent plastic housing.
           No sticky substance was used.  You could see how many "guests"
           there were when you replaced the motel.
        \_ Parenthood.
        \_ Los Angeles. Quick sand.
        \_ Hotel California
        \_ Red state
        \_ Quagmire.   'dict quagmire' comes up with numerous similar words too
        \_ Cal
        \- potential energy well
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2008/4/21-5/2 [Science/Space, Health/Women] UID:49790 Activity:nil
4/21    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080419/ap_on_re_eu/russia_space_6
        Russian Federal Space Agency chief Perminov:
        '"You know in Russia, there are certain bad omens about this sort of
        thing, but thank God that everything worked out successfully," he
        said. "Of course in the future, we will work somehow to ensure that
        the number of women will not surpass" the number of men.  Challenged
        by a reporter, Perminov responded: "This isn't discrimination. I'm
        just saying that when a majority (of the crew) is female, sometimes
        certain kinds of unsanctioned behavior or something else occurs,
        that's what I'm talking about." He did not elaborate.'
2008/4/21-5/2 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:49791 Activity:kinda low
4/19    Israel's dilemma
        http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/israel
        \_ I'm sympathetic to Isreal's plight, but that's a horrid fairly one
           sided article.
           \_ In which ways is it one-sided?
           \_ On who's side is it?
        \_ Carter has already done more for peace in the Middle East in two
           weeks than Bush has in two terms in office:
           http://www.csua.org/u/lbm (NYT)
           \_ It's hard to argue with your assertion, but the accomplishment
              cited here has already been contradicted:
              http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7359661.stm
           \_ I totally agree, Bush has really screwed things up, but he can't
              hold a candle to Carter.
           \_ You're nuts.  The kind of peace where Israel pulls back to the
              1967 borders and gives 10 years for Hamas to build up in exchange
              for nothing?  It's suicidal.  Is this a troll?
              \_ Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Automatically,
                 without question. Oddly enough, I think that you are more
                 likely to come to peace with someone you are negotiating with
                 than someone you are shooting at. I don't think for a second
                 that Israel will (or should) agree to all of Hamas' terms,
                 but I do think that if they don't start talking, there will
                 never be peace.
              \_ Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is a troll.
                 Automatically, without question. Oddly enough, I think that
                 you are more likely to come to peace with someone you are
                 negotiating with than someone you are shooting at. I don't
                 think for a second that Israel will (or should) agree to all
                 of Hamas' terms, but I do think that if they don't start
                 talking, there will never be peace.
                 \_ Do you have any idea what Hamas is talking about or any
                    knowledge of the history of the region, Hamas, or anything
                    else going on?  Have you read the Hamas charter?  No.
                    Here: http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
                    When Hamas stops *firing rockets in Israel almost every
                    day!* there might be something to talk about.  Until that
                    time they are at war with Israel who they don't even
                    acknowledge the legitimate existence of and have made very
                    clear very loudly their only goal is Israel's destruction.
                    There is no compromising with someone whose only reason
                    for being is your death.  You can't be a "little bit" dead.
                    Maybe you're not a troll, just naive.
                    \_ You don't have to negotiate for peace with your friends,
                       only those you are at war with. You seem to forget this
                       basic fact. History is full of examples of hostile
                       neighbors full of angry rhetoric eventually getting
                       tired of fighting and then making peace. Why are these
                       two any different?
                       \_ Well, one side obviously isn't tired of it yet, for
                          one thing.
                       \_ Very uplifting.  Now go read some real history.  Far
                          more conflicts have been resolved with the Rome vs.
                          Carthage model than the "We got tired of killing
                          your civilians with daily rocket attacks from our
                          side of the border, we're going to give up our holy
                          quest to kill you all and throw a tea and crumpets
                          party for you, our new friends and neighbors, peace
                          be unto you, brothers!"  Negotiated peace only comes
                          when at least one side has been defeated and is
                          unwilling or unable to continue fighting.  Until
                          then there is nothing to talk about.
                          \_ Who lost in the Catholic vs. Protestant wars in
                             Northern Ireland?
                             \_ You mean the modern version with the IRA, bombs
                                etc?  Everyone lost.  The English were
                                unwilling to apply the force required to win
                                a military victory, didn't want or consider
                                a heart and minds conversion, and both sides
                                lost a number of people for no real purpose.
                                This has exactly what to do with trying to
                                talk with psychotics like Hamas?  Nothing.
                                Go read Hamas' charter and come back if you're
                                serious about discussing this further.
                                \_ Hamas is no nuttier than the Real IRA.
                                   \_ That's an opinion.  Factually incorrect,
                                      but no one can stop you from believing
                                      things that aren't true.  Have at it.
                                      The "Real IRA" stopped blowing things up
                                      after the English left them alone.  When
                                      Israel steps back, Hamas just moves
                                      closer so they can fire rockets further
                                      into Israel.  If it was San Francisco
                                      getting shelled every day (or whatever
                                      town you live in), you'd be screaming
                                      the loudest how "We have to kill them
                                      all and why hasn't the incompetent BUSH
                                      admin stopped the bad guys yet?!"
                                      \_ Israel has never, ever stepped back.
                                      \_ The Real IRA has not given up and
                                         in fact, continues to operate:
                                         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_IRA
                                         You certainly have strong opinions for
                                         one so lightly informed.
                                         \_ Did you read your own link?  The
                                            so called Real IRA is dead.  There
                                            is more Real Crime in LA every
                                            day than these goofballs have
                                            managed since their founding in 97.
                                \_ Which side is unwilling to negotiate?
                                   http://www.csua.org/u/lch (Yahoo News)
                                   \_ We've seen this one before. "We would
                                      like to kill you, would you please open
                                      the gate?"
                                   \_ Wow, you are incredibly naive.  "We need
                                      6 months to rearm for the next round of
                                      attacks.  We'll stop attacking you for
                                      those 6 months if you let us bring in
                                      more weapons".  You can't possibly be
                                      this dumb.  Thus, I label you: troll.
                                      You still clearly haven't read the Hamas
                                      charter, either.  You won't make it more
                                      than a few paragraphs in before your
                                      eyes glaze at the insanity and seething
                                      hatred.
                                      \_ I read about half of it. I will finish
                                         the rest later. It is full of a bunch
                                         of religious mumbo-jumbo.
                                         of religious mumbo-jumbo. Unlike you,
                                         I have actually been to Jerusalem, the
                                         West Bank and Gaza, so it is kind of
                                         amusing that you bounce back and forth
                                         between calling me ignorant and a
                                         troll. Perhaps I am as informed as you
                                         and just disagree.
                                         \_ I'm stunned that you think putting
                                            a maple leaf on your hawaiian
                                            tshirt during your weekend
                                            excursion to the region makes you
                                            an expert.  You would have been
                                            better off if you said you saw
                                            something on the history channel.
                                            \_ I saw it on the History Channel
2008/4/21-2009/5/3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:49792 Activity:nil 61%like:42770 55%like:52942
Linux soda 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

Welcome to Macintosh^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSoda Mark VII,
a dual Xeon 2.8GHz with many hozers.
2008/4/21-5/2 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:49793 Activity:nil
4/21    Think car. 0 emission and 124 miles per charge:
        http://think.no/think/content/view/full/290
        \_ It reads "zero *local* emissions."  Nonetheless, "an energy
           efficiency three times that of a traditional combustion engine
           car" is still pretty impressive.
2008/4/21-5/2 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:49794 Activity:nil
4/21    Why are there so many gay people in Hollywood?
        \_ Because acting is traditionally a gay friendly field, so a lot
           of young gay men get into acting.
           \_ You might have cause and effect switched around here...
              \_ By now there is no real cause and effect.  If you are a
                 gay teen you know damn well that the theater club is going
                 to be a good place to hang out.
                 \_ Maybe this is true today, with the Internet and all,
                    but it wasn't true for rural gay teens 20 years ago.
        \_ My wild guess is that they were well-trained in acting in their
           real lives when they were pressured to act like heterosexuals in
           order to avoid trouble.
2008/4/21-5/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:49795 Activity:nil
4/21    Hey everyone!  The CSUA is having its semi-regular Alumni BBQ!
        It will be May 8, 2008 in the Wozniak Lounge from 6pm.  All
        alums and current members are welcome!  Come for some free food
        and friends (hopefully disjoint sets).  Email politburo with any
        and all questions/comments/concerns.  --steven
        \_ Any hot women there?
           \_ I'll bring my girlfriend(s)
           \_ If you have to ask, you don't know.
           \_ any that are, will be "with someone".  This isn't an event to go
              to for hot women.
2008/4/21-5/2 [Science/Biology] UID:49796 Activity:nil
4/21    If he shot himself in the nuts, can we put him up for a Darwin award?
        http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9004996?source=rss
        \_ Yes, I believe the Darwin awards count self-sterilizers as
           canidates if they don't already have children.  This guy failed
           though.  On the other hand, he did try to flee from the police
           on foot with a bullet wound in the gut.  Tough!
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