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| 2008/3/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49430 Activity:nil |
3/12 Does Geri Ferraro not realize what a fucking hypocrite she is?
"Clinton wouldn't be in the position she is if she was a man." |
| 2008/3/12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:49431 Activity:nil 80%like:49436 |
3/12 Spitzer's Kristen, 5'10" 105lbs revealed. Don't droll!
http://www.pagesix.com/story/spitzer+s+hooker+revealed |
| 2008/3/12-13 [Transportation/Car] UID:49432 Activity:nil |
3/12 I have really good medical insurance from my company. Is it
still necessary to carry Uninsured & Underinsured Motorist,
(state minimum $15K)? In addition, everyone in my family
is insuranced, is there a reason to get the and Medical
Payments which only covers $500-$2000/passenger?
\_ I don't bother with medical. It only makes things worse, IMO,
because the two insurances fight with each other and delay
payment. I cancelled any auto-related medical I had. Uninsured
motorist covers things other than medical (like loss of future
earning capacity, pain and suffering, and related household
expenses) but that's I risk I live with.
\_ I was sitting at an intersection for about 8 green lights waiting
on these morons. The temptation to use my "right away" and plow
right through the bikers was constantly growing
\_ stupid troll, strike 3 |
| 2008/3/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49433 Activity:nil |
3/12 Sinbad bags on Hillary's "crisis" experience in Kosovo
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ol5ob [washington post]
\_ Old news, posted below on 3/10
\_ Huh, I missed that. -op |
| 2008/3/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:49434 Activity:nil |
3/12 Teacher at Millbrae high school filming girls in the bathroom
link:www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_8544984
\_ Another reason to keep your daughters out of suburban schools. |
| 2008/3/12-17 [Reference/Military] UID:49435 Activity:high |
3/12 "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make
things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they
serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-Thomas Jefferson
\_ Yawn. And misattributed.
\_ Right, Jefferson was quoting Cesare Beccaria
\_ "The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize
Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights
of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who
are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."
-Samuel Adams
\_ Thomas Jefferson also owned hundreds of slaves, fathered several
children with one of them, and then owned his own children as
slaves. So? Times change, thankfully. -tom
\_ And maybe fathered several grandchildren with one of them?
\_ revisionist liberal!!!
\_ What ramifications does Wagner's anti-semitism have for his
music, or Gogol's anti-semitism for his books? Stupidest
red herring ever. -- ilyas
\_ The Declaration of Independence is a statement of moral
principles; I think the moral principles of the man who
wrote it are entirely relevant. If Thomas Aquinas was
\_ Thomas Aquinas loved animals, not little boys,
isn't that right?
found to have been buggering altar boys, it would have an
impact on the value of his work.
Also, the underlying assumption is that because Thomas
Jefferson believed in individual gun ownership, that it's
a good idea today. Thomas Jefferson also believed in
individual slave ownership; that doesn't make it a good
idea today. -tom
\_ Thomas did some bad things, therefore all he did or said
was bad. Is that your point? Can we apply that
universally to all political figures or just ones who
wrote things you don't like?
\_ Nice straw man. Please try reading my post next time.
\_ They weren't considered bad things at the time, that
is the whole point. Moral standards and society
change over time. The rules for gun ownership for
a frontier society are probably not going to make
sense in an urban society. This is why I support
local gun control laws only, btw.
\_ This is all tapdancing around the real issue, which
is that "we" don't want to give guns to hoods and
gangbangers, but do want to give them to hobbyists,
and normal law-abiding folks. However, the
distinction is apparently very hard to legislate.
Plus I guess even pointing this out can get one
accused of racism since hoods and gangbangers are
predominantly ethnic. -- ilyas
\_ No, it is more subtle than that. It is not always
clear what a "normal law-abiding folk" is. What
about a guy with a DUI? Busted for smoking pot
20 years ago? And we already have laws on the
books to keep guns out of the hands of felons,
they are just really hard to enforce, when
everyone else can get a gun so easily.
\_ That doesn't make it a bad idea today either.
\_ I agree; what Thomas Jefferson had to say about
gun owernship 200+ years ago has pretty much no
relevance to whether it's a good idea today. -tom
\_ Thomas Jefferson 200 years ago or tom today... hmmm,
this is a tough call... who to side with? People
are still people, guns are still guns, etc. I think
I'll go with Jefferson, thanks. Simply saying time
has passed is not a reason to dismiss what he had
to say.
\_ Well, he gave an argument. He didn't just say,
"Gun ownership is good and I'm Jefferson." The only
real difference is that gun technology has advanced.
\_ Plus the small matter of the invention of the
tank. Guns are significantly easier for
lawbreakers to use and significantly less
easy to use in defense against the government,
relative to Jefferson's time. Orders of magnitude
different in each direction. -tom
\_ The insurgents have shown that small arms
can be effective against an opposing force
with tanks, planes, &c.
\_ Only if you fight them with kid gloves on.
\_ The operations in Iraq may not be "nuke
& pave" but clearly kid gloves is not
an accurate characterization. It is
likely that any domestic operation by
the government would be similarly
restrained (there are still red voters
in blue states).
Even if the operations in Iraq are being
fought with "kid gloves," this was not
the case in Vietnam.
\_ You are a complete fucking idiot if you think
you can use tanks against insurgency. Tanks are
for breaking frontlines, holding territory
you can use tanks against insurgency. Tanks
are for breaking frontlines, holding territory
against conventional armies, and defense a la
artillery. You cannot use tanks to suppress
a civilian population. Germans certainly didn't
artillery. You cannot use tanks to suppress a
civilian population. Germans certainly didn't
in World War 2 (and they pioneered appropriate
tank use in war). You should probably stop
talking about things you don't have a clue
about. A good modern example of a successful
uprising with guns vs tanks is israel vs
palestinians, btw. -- ilyas
palestinians, btw. -- ilyas [formatd]
\_ "successful"?
\_ The palestinians keep gaining land and
somehow the sympathy of the world. The
Israelis are under constant siege and
living in a permanent state of fear. I'd
say the palestinians are winning with the
world's help.
\_ what does that have to do with guns?
\_ The point is asymmetric warfare
against a government works, and the
second point is that the
palestinians would be toothless if
they didn't have portable rockets,
and bombs, and yes guns. If you
don't like this example, read up
on the successful partisan movement
in USSR during the second war.
-- ilyas
\_ Asymmetric warfare doesn't
require individual gun
ownership.
\_ Asymmetric warfare is greatly
aided by individual gun
ownership, as the ff's
pointed out. If you have an
"ideological" stance against
it, as tom likes to say, you
will need a better reason
than TANKS! though. -- ilyas
\_ The Israelis are living in a constant state
of fear? How do you think the Gazans feel?
What has been the Gaza vs. Israel casualty
rate?
\_ I'm not sure if this is more funny or
sad that we have palestinian
sympathizers on the motd. I figured the
motd would attract a smarter crowd in
general who wouldn't fall for that sort
of propaganda. Anyway, I'll answer your
question an old quote,
"When Arab Mothers love their children
more than they hate the Jews there
will be peace".
Ponder and gain wisdom.
\_ That quote is racist.
\_ Are you new here? On the motd
you're supposed to only say,
"\_ RACIST!" as a form of
anti-PC mockery. It isn't a
serious statement. It is one of
the lower forms of intellectual
laziness. Care to try again or
are you happy thinking the only
democracy in the middle east, the
only country in the ME that has
women voting, holding office, etc,
the only country that has minority
population voting and holding
offfice, etc, etc, etc, is somehow
the enemy while the people who
wrap their kids in bomb jackets
and send them into pizza parlors
are somehow freedom fighters and
heroic? Again, it is sad that
people who are supposed to be so
smart have sucked up the propaganda
like such useful idiots always do.
\_ Your quote wasn't serious
either and not worth addressing
seriously. Of course it's
racist, it's a blanket
denigration of Arabs, and it
implies that Palestinians commit
commit acts of violence merely
because they hate Jews and that
is all there is to consider.
If you are able to frame your
argument in a meaningful way
then I could respond more
meaningfully. You're now
ascribing beliefs to me that I
didn't say. It's probably not
worth having serious discussions
with people who do that: set up
straw men and employ vague
emotional "reasoning".
\_ There is nothing emotional
about it. How about you
respond to what I said
about women, minorities and
the rest? Those are cold
\_ What about them?
have facts yet in your reply
you toss around empty
accusations of emotionalism
because the truth is too
strong to deny so you go
personal. Reply to what I
said. You've said nothing
more than scream "RACIST!"
so far. That isn't the
most intellectually rigorous
response from someone who
claims to want intellectual
rigor. I can get better on
Kos.
\_ In this particular quote, Jefferson did not
mention the anti-government aspect but only the
anti-criminal. I'd guess the main criminal aid
today is concealability. This factor would
argue towards a ban on handguns, not guns
altogether. (I'm not advocating that though.)
\_ It is unclear that Jefferson actually fathered Sally Hemmings'
children:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Hemings#DNA_testing
\_ As an aside, I find the 'America was a frontier society in the old
days but not today' argument amusing in a wishful thinking kind of
way. There is huge political resistance in America to outright
handgun bans. Clearly our society is 'frontier enough,' even today.
-- ilyas |
| 2008/3/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:49436 Activity:high 80%like:49431 |
3/12 Spitzer's Kristen, 5'5" 105lbs revealed. Don't drool!
http://www.pagesix.com/story/spitzer+s+hooker+revealed
\_ ANOREXIA!!!
\_ No way is that woman 105 pounds.
\_ How about this one:
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sportbikebabe4cx4.jpg
I'm guessing 5'5" 100lbs.
\_ More like 115-120.
\_ Depends on how tall she is. 115-120 is not thin for a
woman who is 5'2". More like 95-100. Models are
usually about 5'9" 120.
\_ Well look at the MOTORCYCLE!!! The in-seam height
of a CBR600RR is about 32-32.5". Extrapolate, and
you'll get the actual height. I can't do it now
because I'm at work.
\_ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/nyregion/12cnd-kristen.html
\_ Liberal new york times.
\_ You crack me up. So, when the NYT reports the biggest scandal
of the moment, and it happens to be to a hypocrite Dem, that
means they're not Liberal? Or what does your post mean?
\_ http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html
\_ Wait he paid $5K a trip for her? WTF I wouldn't pay over
$285/session for this woman. I can get better looking
women for only $300-500/session.
\_ Why do you go to hookers?
\_ C? Looks more like a B to me.
\_ Some of us have seen real breasts. That's a nice full C in that
photo.
\_ My ex had D and my wife has A. I've seen and touched them
countless times. IMHO the ones in the pic look closer to A
than to D. So I guessed they're B. -- PP
\_ So in other words you have very little boob experience. |
| 2008/3/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49437 Activity:nil |
3/12 I watch BBC everyday to get away from US news yet it keeps
talking about Clinton vs. Obama. Really pisses me off. |
| 2008/3/12-13 [Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:49438 Activity:nil |
3/12 hey emarkp, if pre-emptive strike works so well, how come the
israelis are still fighting? what's your stance on the iraq war now?
\_ Hey anonymous troll, what's your stance on signing your
posts? -ausman
\_ Wow, talk about out of left field. I have an email address. Feel
free to use it. -emarkp |
| 2008/3/12-17 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:49439 Activity:kinda low |
3/12 US Use of Public Transportation Highest in 50 Years
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/03/us-use-of-publi.html
\_ Where's Los Angeles?
\_ "In 2004, the latest year for which the data is available, all
modes of public transit accounted for 49 billion passenger miles;
total vehicle miles travelled in the US is around 3 trillion per
year." Sigh, still way too little to be significant. I hope high
gas prices are steering more people to public transit.
\_ Why is this something you hope for?
\_ So assholes like you who live in the make belief world
of endless energy in Southern Cal will realize that
you're raping mother earth and killing everyone else.
\_ We have practically endless energy. It's called nukular.
I am more concerned about you Prius-driving idiots
using all of our precious water for your batteries.
\_ One needs to add water to the Prius battery??
\_ No, but the generation of power requires water.
Unless you go nukular, which "green" people oppose.
\_ One doesn't charge the Prius battery with
electricity from electric company. (Unless you
modify a Prius to become a plug-in.)
\_ We must force people to live in the true Urban Utopia for
their own good.
\_ No, just let the Invisible Hand do its work. |