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2008/3/10-12 [Transportation/Bicycle, Transportation/Motorcycle] UID:49400 Activity:low
3/9     If I get a few moving violations from my motorcycle, will it
        affect my car insurance rate? What about the reverse? Just curious.
        \_ hell, getting violations on your bicycle (for which you need no
           license) can affect your rate.
           \_ So I have always wondered about this. What if when the cops
              pull you over on your bike, you refuse to give them your
              driver's license? You are not required to carry ID, are they
              just going to arrest you for not being able to prove your
              identity? Perhaps when you bicycle, you should carry an ID
              other than a driver's license.
              \_ People like Tom just carry a California ID, no big deal.
                 You know not everyone in the state has a driver's license.
              \_ If they are pulling you over for a moving violation they
                 have the right to know your identity.  If you can't
                 give them some proof that you are who you say you are they
                 have the right to take you in to determine you identity.
                 It isn't being arrested though.
                 \_ This is basically correct.  One thing I am not sure about
                    is whether bicycle moving violations show up on your
                    driving record.  Cops say that a fair amount, but cops
                    generally have little idea what the law is, and I haven't
                    been able to find any code which is explicit on the matter.
                    It's hard to believe that a 14-year-old who gets a ticket
                    for running a stop sign on his bike would start with
                    points on his driver's license.
                    I'm relatively certain that motorcycle violations would
                    show up, though.  -tom
                    \_ I would argue from a practical implemntation standopint
                       that they would.  Bicycle violations are so rare that
                       I think the state wouldn't bother differentiating them
                       from normal motorized vehicle ones in their record
                       keeping and processing methods. -ERic
2008/3/10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49402 Activity:nil 88%like:49404
3/10    Why there won't be a second Florida primary:
        http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8da17f52-5cff-4a48-9d49-a7d2293aefd9
2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:49403 Activity:nil
3/10    Chuck Norris revived:
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080310/people_nm/iraq_norris_dc
2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49404 Activity:nil 88%like:49402
3/10    Why there won't be a second Florida primary:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/2yz4s2 [new republic]
2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:49405 Activity:nil
3/10    Oklahoma Rep Sally Kerns thinks teh gay is the "biggest threat
        our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam".  Hear her
        full on "not gay bashing" rant on youtube.  Did you know they
        "indoctrinate" 2 year olds into the "lifestyle" and it spreads like
        cancer?
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/23azxm (wonkette)
        \_ So what?  We need fewer breeders.  This planet has 5.5B too many
           people on it already.
           \_ And yet the "gays will destroy the human race because they
              don't reproduce" argument is actually attempted with a
              straight [pun intended] face
           \_ Actually, isn't the think these people fear that gays will
              breed (e.g. T. FORD) but that their kids will be gay?
2008/3/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:49406 Activity:nil
3/10    There once was an X from place B,
        That satisfied predicate P,
        He or she did thing A,
        In an adjective way,
        Resulting in circumstance C.
2008/3/10-13 [Recreation/Dating] UID:49407 Activity:nil
3/10    When Mom or Dad Asks To Be a Facebook 'Friend' - washingtonpost:
        http://csua.org/u/l02
        "I am excited to make a new friend so I click on the link. I could not
        believe what I saw. My father! This is an outrage!"
        \_ I think kids under 18 have to expect this and deal with it. Kids
           over 18 absolutely have a right to privacy. I am more scared to
           unexpectedly find my *parent's* facebook page.
           \_ If that 18 year old is living at home, then no, not really.  He
              who has the gold makes the rules and all that.
2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49408 Activity:low
3/10    I love this expose of the liberal media circle.
        http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/7060
        thinkprogress -> media matters -> Keith Olbermann -> media matters ->
        new york times
        \_ So if I go on national tv and ask if George Bush rapes little
           boys that's totally just you know, sillyness?
           \_ You haven't watched the clip, obviously. -emarkp
           \_ Even if done in jest, it is the sort of thing that adds up.
              Especially when done on a serious news program.
               \_ Sorry, you're an idiot.  Beck has called the people who are
                  asking if Obama is the Anti-Christ, "crazy" and "nutjobs".
                  Mockery and sarcasm are common and reasonable ways to express
                  an opinion.  -emarkp
                  \_ It's the way the mockery and sarcasm are presented.  Find
                     me a talking head asking "Is George Bush a Nazi?" on a
                     national news show.  I doubt you'll find it.
                     \_ So you still haven't watched the clip? -emarkp
        \_ Ah yes, the "liberal media."
           \_ Yes, precisely. -emarkp
              \_ Exactly how "liberal" did you find the NYTimes series on WMD?
                 A little bit, a lot, or extremely?  Damn liberals!
                 \_ How fair did you find the front-page utterly fabricated
                    smear on McCain? A little bit, a lot, or extremely?
                    \_ The Times sucks.  No disagreement from me. But calling
                       them the "liberal media" is ignoring reality.
                       \_ Yes, you're repeatedly denied that they're liberal.
                          However, they consistently err on the side of
                          criticizing the right. -emarkp
                          \_ Except for their years-long crusade on behalf
                             of the Whitewater investigation, their shameful
                             series on WMD from Judith Miller, etc...
                             \_ Ah, I wrote "consistently".  My bad.  I meant
                                to say they do so in the overwhelming majority.
                                -emarkp
                                \_ I'm not sure what you base this
                                   "overwhelming majority" assertion on.
                                   They infuriate me on a daily basis.
                                   --liberal
                                \_ Hypothesis: The right is worthy of
                                   criticism more often.
                                   \_ Odd hypothesis, and probably difficult to
                                      test.
                                   \_ Eliot Spitzer, the Democratic mayor of

                                      [prove]
                                   \_ Eliot Spitzer, the Democratic gvrnr of
                                      New York just got busted on a connection
                                      with a prostitution ring (!?).  -- ilyas
                                      \_ ... which the Times is doing a huge
                                         story on.
                                         \_ yes.  And note, he wasn't
                                            "connected with a prostitution
                                            ring"; he hired a prostitute.  -tom
                                      \_ Governor of NY State.
                                         \_ Yes sorry, fixed.  -- ilyas
                                \_ I disagree. They just tend to go after
                                   whoever is in power, which is part of the
                                   role of media as government watchdog. See
                                   the huge above the fold story about Spitzer
                                   right now. It has just been so long since
                                   the Democrats were in power, that people
                                   have forgotten the role the NYT played in
                                   attacking Clinton, Rostenkowski, etc. The
                                   NYT might be slightly more liberal than
                                   most, but that is just a reflection of
                                   their readership. Overall, they are just
                                   another big corporation, controlled by
                                   billionaires and in the business of selling
                                   ads. Why do you believe otherwise?
                                   \_ If their role is to go after those in
                                      power, why did they play such a major
                                      role in aiding and abetting the WMD
                                      shenanigans and in going into Iraq in
                                      the first place?
                                      \_ War against a foreign country only
                                         happens when the moneyed classes think
                                         they are going to profit from it.
                                         -George Orwell
        \_ I guess I've never seen Keith Olbermann before, he looks like he's
           made of plastic.
2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:49409 Activity:nil
3/10    NY Gov Eliot Spitzer nailed for using high-class prostitutes
        (finance sector probes delayed?)
        http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0310082spitzer1.html
        "... said that she was an American, petite, very pretty brunette,
        5 feet 5 inches, and 105 pounds" (Kristen, two hours, $4,300)
        \_ PICTURE OF KRISTEN PLEASE!!!!!!
        \_ Excuse me? Chop stick figure? Anorexic?
           \_ Hi motd boob guy.  Not all of us like fat chicks.  ok tnx.
           \_ I know cute gay guys who are taller and weigh about the same
              \_ anorexic?
                 \_ it's not anorexia if you throw up afterwards
        \_ Jackie Johnson is at least twice that figure for 1/2 the
           cost. Los Angeles is a great city, I love my Honda Accord
           HYBRID, and suburban living >>>> city.       -*wit #1 fan
2008/3/10-11 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:49410 Activity:nil
3/10    Wow! There's this class that will teach me to become qualified
        to become president of the United States in only 8 months!
        Where can I take this class?
2008/3/10-11 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:49411 Activity:moderate
3/10    The Long Johns on the credit crisis
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_qK4g6ntM
        \_ Very funny! Is subprime a unique problem in the US? Or
           is it widespread to other countries?
           \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Rock
              \_ Northern Rock did not underwrite sub-prime
                 loans. They ran out of cash when the short-term money
                 markets dried up. Giving people a loan w/o confirming
                 their income, and the investment banks'
                 securitization conduits w/o regard to underwriting
                 and risk were mostly Americans'
                 stupidity/genius. Those burned overseas bought our
                 mortgage bonds.
              \_ Northern Rock did not underwrite sub-prime loans. They ran out of cash
                 when the short-term money markets dried up. Giving people a loan w/o
                 confirming their income, and the investment bank's securitization
                 conduits were/are mostly American stupid. Those burned overseas mostly
                 bought our mortgage bonds.
2008/3/10-13 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:49412 Activity:nil
3/10    Is there a reliable way to control spam on soda?
        Can someone write an "any undergrad can do it" level FAQ?  Thanks.
        \_ echo "/dev/null" > ~/.forward
        \_ I use Thunderbird to check my soda mail.
        \_ Forward to gmail.  Let google's spam filter work for you.
        \_ I use spamassassin. I just checked and it caught all but one of
           the 358 (!) pieces of spam I was mailed today. I only had two
           legit emails though, so perhaps answer #1 is better for me.
           I actually forward my csua email to google, as well, which
           does further filtering.
           http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/UsedViaProcmail
           for how to install spamassassin and procmail. -ausman
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