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2008/2/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:49228 Activity:nil
2/24    What the hell is up with all the celebrities having babies?
        \_ Some convenient store in Hollywood carrying faulty condoms?
        \_ Motherhood isn't the death of a career like it used to be.
        \_ Conservatives are winning the culture wars and white Christian
           women are going to start having babies again. Hallelujah!
           \_ Some shouldn't be having babies.  c.f. Britney
2008/2/25-26 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:49229 Activity:nil
2/25    http://tinyurl.com/yuv7hh (chicagotribune.com)
        Foreclosed home purchased at auction came with skeleton of son of
        former owner
2008/2/25-26 [Consumer/Camera, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49230 Activity:low
2/24    Who is hotter, Amy Murphy or Jackie Johnson?
        \_ Jackie Johnson.  But Lisa Guerrero is hotter than both.
           http://www.hottystop.com/lisa-guerrero/4.jpg
           \_ Who are these people?  That photo can't be real.
              photo is NSFW btw. - motd boob guy.
              \_ Weather forecast girls.
              \_ The photo is real, the boobs aren't.
           \_ Lisa *was* hotter, but I saw her recently and while she's
              an attractive woman shes 43 and cannot compete with a young
              hottie (29) like Jackie Johnson.
              \_ If Jackie's 29, she'll sure to fatten up considerably
                 when she reaches 40, since she's already pretty full.
                 \_ So?
2008/2/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:49231 Activity:nil
2/24    Which State has the highest and lowest meat intake per capita?
        \_ My wild guess is TX and CA.
           \_ I think they eat even more meat in the Midwest, but TX could be.
              Guesses for less meat might be Hawaii, Alaska, or somewhere
              in New England like Vermont. Are you counting fish as meat?
              \_ Does spam count as meat?
2008/2/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49232 Activity:low
2/24    CBS affiliate in northern Alamaba "mysteriously" goes dark during
        Karl Rove/Don Siegelman segment:
        http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002487
        \_ How do you think Rove was going to create a Permanent Republican
           Majority? You don't really think he expected to win electiond
           Majority? You don't really think he expected to win elections
           did you?
           \_ This segment on this one affiliate in northern Alabama going
              dark was key to Karl Rove's plan to rule the world!
              \_ Someone didn't read the url or watch the video, yay!
              \_ keyword: ignorant
2008/2/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:49233 Activity:nil
2/24    re-read-cryptonomicon-because-i-am-a-big-nerd-guy here.
        - Do Rudy and Bischoff die at the end, or is their escape another
          drug hallucination?
          \_ Pretty sure they die due to being too far down to make it out
             and survive the pressure differential.
        - Does Sergeant Shaftoe actually receive a mission from Douglas
          MacArthur, or is that another drug hallucination?
          \_ He actually receives the mission from MacArthur.
        - Where does all that gold sitting out in the open, in the
          Filipino jungle (not underground) come from?  There was a 50
          page different font chapter in the book about that probably,
          but I skipped it.
          \_ you forgot
              - How can you read such a shitty ass book TWICE!
              \_ I just started reading this book for the first time after
                 reading big nerd guy's first post about it. The book is
                 actually not that bad. I could see how one might want to
                 re-read it once a decade or so.
                 I will say that I think the book should probably have
                 been edited to make it a bit shorter. There are long
                 dry sections that are quite tempting to skip, e.g. the
                 chapter that consists of a single long email.
                 \_ Dude, it is that bad.
2008/2/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49234 Activity:nil
2/24    Clinton campaign caught circulating photo of Obama in traditional
        Somali garb:
        http://drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm
        Clinton campaign non-denial denial:
        http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/179989.php
        \_ Is that a fake photo?
           \_ Nope, it's from a 2006 congressional delegation to Somalia
           \_ Nope, it's from a 2006 congressional delegation to Kenya
              Senators and reps do this sort of thing all the time - go to
              foreign country, try on the traditional outfit.  The slime is
              in the suggestion that there's anything wrong with the picture.
              [just keep on deleting and I'll keep restoring]
2008/2/25 [Uncategorized] UID:49235 Activity:nil 90%like:49236
2/24    Your Black Muslim bakery on 60 Minutes
        http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3870543n&channel=/sections/60minutes/videoplayer3415.shtml
2008/2/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:49236 Activity:nil 90%like:49235
2/24    Your Black Muslim bakery on 60 Minutes
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/2lwwwg (cbsnews.com)
2008/2/25-26 [Health/Skin] UID:49237 Activity:nil
2/24    groin pimple update:
        still there!  hasnt burst!  been over a week!  doesn't
        seem like herpes!  dunno what the hell it is then.  it's
        not a wart.  stupid body.
        \_ MRSA (google this.)
        \_ Syphilis chancre
        \_ cancer
        \_ molluscum
        \_ pimple
        \_ GRIDS
        \_ Visit medical doctor.
2008/2/25-26 [Consumer/TV] UID:49238 Activity:nil
2/24    Satellite that was shot down was already a boondoggle
        http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/02/that-satellite.html
        \_"...widely believed to be..."
          \_ Key word!
        \_"...widely believed to be..." a humorless fuck who keeps deleting
          the KEY WORD!
2008/2/25 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:49239 Activity:high 80%like:49243
2/24    Facebook comscore numbers slipping
        http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/22/facebook-fatigue-visitors-level-off-in-the-us
        Over to you, dans
        \_ dans doesn't work at facebook
           \_ No, but slide feeds at the trough which is facebook app spam
           \_ Slide feeds at the pig trough which is facebook apps:
              http://adonomics.com/company/Slide
2008/2/25 [Uncategorized] UID:49240 Activity:high
2/24    Omar RIP
        \_ [Re: The Wire]
2008/2/25-29 [Politics/Domestic/California, Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:49241 Activity:high
2/24    so who here is up for giving FOUR HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS to
        AC Transit so they can completely foul up east bay city traffic by
        making bus only lanes up and down shattuck all the way down
        International, closely mirroring BART (why?  no clue), and
        to give San Francisco 1.5 billion to 6 billion dollars to
        build a 3 stop subway from Chinatown to the ballpark (they
        claim it'll cost 1.5 billion, this thing is going to go under
        the most densely populated spot on the entire west coast, yay
        sure it'll only cost 1.5 billion.
        \_ Roads are fucking expensive.  Traffic costs a shitload of money
           to deal with.  That's why the "trains aren't efficient" idiots
           don't have a leg to stand on.
           \_ Trains can be efficient, but you keep trying to cram that
              square peg into round holes. In *most* instances, trains are
              poor solutions to transit problems. There are *some*
              instances where they work, but they are few and far between.
              \_ yes, those few and far between places are called "cities"
                 \_ Cities of a certain size and density that are also
                    built around a central core of which there aren't many.
                    \_ yeah, cities with downtowns are so rare.  uh, not.
                       \_ How many factors did I cite? Cities that possess
                          all 3 are rare. For instance, LA and San Jose have
                          only 1 of the 3 (size). Many have downtowns but
                          not size or density. The concept of a downtown
                          is a turn of the century idea and the concept of
                          people commuting from suburbs to a downtown for
                          work is from maybe the 1930s and 1940s. It
                          hasn't been that way for a long time. How many
                          people out of the Bay Area population commute to
                          downtown SF for work? Not that many. Not even Tom.
                          Isn't it like 5%? (350K out of 7M) And that's
                          for a dense city with lots of high-paying jobs.
                          (Note: LA and SJ obviously have downtowns, but
                          these exist mostly in name only.)
                          \_ Seriously, I bet I could name hundreds. Do you
                             really want me to start? Anytime you have enough
                             density of population trains are the way to go.
                             \_ Just name 5 in CA.
                                \_ SF, LA, SD, Sacramento all could benefit
                                   from significant rail infrastructure.  Oh
                                   no, that's only four in CA!  You must be
                                   right!  -tom
                                   \_ All of your cities are too big and lack
                                      a real city center for a real train
                                      system.  Trains can supplement an auto
                                      system but never replace one.  The idea
                                      is simply ridiculous.
                                   \_ Oakland. There, that's five.
                                      \_ Yay!  What do we win?  -tom
                                   \_ Are you kidding? I didn't say to
                                      just list names of cities in CA.
                                      \_ Those are all cities in CA which
                                         were built on rail transit.  It's
                                         absurd to suggest that rail transit
                                         can't work in them.  -tom
                                         \_ Sacramento's farebox recovery
                                            ratio is 20%. You call that
                                            working?!
                                            \_ Better than the 0% that the
                                               roads bring in.  Farebox
                                               recovery is a red herring. -tom
                                               \_ Roads are not 0%. Every
                                                  car on the road is
                                                  contributing through
                                                  fuel taxes and through
                                                  the purchase of the car
                                                  itself.
                                                  \_ If you count taxes,
                                                     the train system is
                                                     doing just fine, right?
                                                     Enough with the
                                                     irrelevanices.  -tom
                                                     \_ That's a disingenuous
                                                        response. You know
                                                        damn well that fuel
                                                        taxes are equivalent to
                                                        train fares as a
                                                        'use tax'.
                                                        \_ And what percentage
                                                           of the total cost of
                                                           auto usage is
                                                           recovered by fuel
                                                           taxes?
                                                           \_ I dunno. Feel
                                                              free to calculate
                                                              and share.
                                \_ Oh, so *now* you come up with a new
                                   requirement. Any city built before 1950
                                   is probably going to be dense enough to
                                   support rail. That does exclude most of
                                   California's flash-in-the-plan unsustainable
                                   California's flash-in-the-pan unsustainable
                                   suburbs.
        \_ $400M just for marking the lanes or paving new lanes?  URL please?
        \_ I'm not a big fan of the BRT proposal.  I'm not sure about the
           Chinatown proposal; it would be better if it went a little further
           into North Beach.  $1.5 billion is not that much money for a major
           infrastructure project; the Bay Bridge east span is costing
           four times that much (before they calculate the overruns).  -tom
           \_ $400M is also the ballpark for the Caldecott fourth bore and
              the Devil's Slide tunnel.  -tom
              \_ It was stupid to build the caldecott with 3 tunnels and it
                 was stupid how much politics has gotten in the way and
                 increased the price of the 4th bore over the last few
                 decades everyone knew it was needed.
                 \_ Obviously the free market didn't think it was needed,
                    then or now.  -tom
                    \_ Why should the free market provide what the gubmint
                       provides? You cannot compete with the government.
                       \_ The Caldecott was completed in 1937; the third
                          bore was added in 1964.  The free market had 40
                          years to put in a tunnel there.  Why didn't they?
                          The Bay Bridge could have been replaced, another
                          toll Bay crossing could be done privately.  Why
                          aren't these things done?  Because they're huge
                          money-losers.
                          \_ So if they are money-losers then why does
                             the government waste money on them? Sounds
                             like you are wising up.
                             \_ The purpose of government isn't to make money.
                                 -tom
                                \_ Sign I saw today:
                                   "Paved roads: yet another example of
                                   government waste."
                                   Maybe the government should consider what
                                   makes financial sense before committing to
                                   spend money that isn't theirs.
                                \_ If it's making investments on behalf of the
                                   public, the investments should have some
                                   real value to that public. Of course the
                                   problem again is accurately quantifying the
                                   benefit of such shared resources, who
                                   receives that benefit, and who should pay.
                                   And what other things might we use those
                                   resources for?
                                   Do I, living in the South Bay, really give
                                   a shit about the Bay Bridge? I wouldn't
                                   personally pay to use it. Would it stimulate
                                   economic growth of the area? I don't know,
                                   maybe it just screws with the natural
                                   market-driven path of development in other
                                   directions.
                                   \_ There's no such thing as a "natural
                                      market-driven path".  It's a tautology.
                                      Yes, the government should evaluate
                                      different ways to invest public money
                                      to "promote the general welfare"
                                      (remember that bit?)
                                      As I've already noted many times, the
                                      cost/benefit equation is much better
                                      for rail than for roads; the analysis
                                      has been done.  The only reason the
                                      U.S. doesn't build more rail is
                                      politics and the power of the
                                      corporations.  -tom
              http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/winston/200605-aeijc.pdf
                          Every $1.00 spent on highway construction returns
                          11 cents in congestion reduction benefits.  -tom
                          \_ No point in drilling an extra bore. New roads
                             become filled to capacity almost immediately
                             anyway, mostly with frivolous trips. There is
                             an almost unlimited appetite for "free" ways.
                             \_ I like the way you think.  Since there's no
                                point in providing a service that will *gasp*
                                just get used(!!!) we should only provide
                                services people don't need or want.  They won't
                                get used and we'll save a lot of money.  Bravo!
                          \_ Why didn't they?  Because government regulations
                             make it impossible for non-government to do such
                             a thing.  Duh.  You can't just build your own
                             bridge anywhere you damned well feel like it.
                             You're just trolling now, right?  You can't
                             actually believe this stuff.
                             \_ Perhaps you could list all the proposals
                                private companies came up with for building
                                new tunnels and bridges in the Bay Area.
                                Surely there would be some interest in a
                                new Bay crossing, even if it required a toll.
                                And private industry is (ideologically) so
                                much more efficient than government, they
                                should be able to do it cheaper, right?
                                Why didn't they try to supply the demand?
                                 -tom
        \_ You are right, they should spend twice as much and run it all
           the way to Fisherman's Wharf. Someday they will, I am sure. We
           spend more then $1.5B in Iraq every week.
           \_ Iraq?  Yawn.  Has nothing to do with anything.  "We've spent
              money on dumber things before!" is not a reason to spend money
              on some other dumb thing, even a somewhat less dumb thing.
              \_ Stop wasting all that money in Iraq and we will have money
                 for all kinds of useful things, like transit.
2008/2/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups] UID:49242 Activity:nil
2/24    The most awesome and heartwarming example of the Internet's ability
        to bring people together in harmony:
        http://www.jdunderground.com/thread.php?threadId=11218
        \_ [Racist provocation] Is there more to it than just that?
           \_ Just another data point on this wonderful invention called
              the intarweb.
2008/2/25-26 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:49243 Activity:nil 80%like:49239
2/24    Facebook comscore numbers slipping
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/24p9n8 (techcrunch.com)
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/2hug7v (hollywoodreporter.com)
        Over to you, dans
        \_ dans doesn't work at facebook
           \_ Slide feeds at the pig trough which is facebook apps:
              http://adonomics.com/company/Slide
2008/2/25 [Uncategorized] UID:49244 Activity:nil
2/24    I meant 'Omar becomes a Mormon and lives out his days nonviolently
        surrounded by his loved ones!'  It's amazing what they can pack
        into one episode.
2008/2/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:49245 Activity:nil
2/24    [Can't you wait at least a few days before posting major spoilers]?
        \_ Spoilers for what?!
2008/2/25-29 [Recreation/Computer, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:49246 Activity:nil
2/25    Are there any DVD players that will remember the position of the
        last X movies played? I know most remembers the one currently
        being played, but what about previous ones? Thanks.
        \_ DVD Player in MacOS X remembers the last played position for
           all of my DVDs.
        \_ Yes. My old Sony player (second generation) remembers the
           positions of up to 5.
2008/2/25-29 [Transportation/Bicycle, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:49247 Activity:nil
2/25    Hey tom, how did you ever become such a fan of big government
        socialist? Is it from riding bike or hanging out with hippies?
        \_ hey anonymous coward, fuck off.  -tom
           \_ by any chance are you an illegal immigrant sympathizer?
              \_ and why do you hate america?
2008/2/25-29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:49248 Activity:nil
2/25    Why Obama Hates America
        http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html
        It's even better than you think.
        \_ Wow, just wow.  Fortunately he's pretty good at responding to this
           tripe.
           \_ I think he prefers tendon, rare steak, brisket, and finally
              tripe in that order.
              \_ There's never a rare steak, brisket, flank combo. Irritating.
                 \_ You obviously don't eat Pho.
        \_ This the magazine that ran the editorial "Why I Hate Blacks"
           http://www.nbc11.com/news/11128382/detail.html
2008/2/25-29 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/GradSchool] UID:49249 Activity:nil
2/25    The Campus Rape Myth
        http://city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html
        \_ My girlfriend was raped while in college at a conservative
           school in Missouri.  The perpetrator was a guy she knew who
           was friends with friends of hers.  He went on to rape two
           other students there before being reported and caught.
           This article is a load of reactionary slop, particularly
           because it ignores well known facts about the psychology of
           rape victims.  The author, Heather Mac Donald, is a fellow
           at the Manhattan Institute and regularly writes for
           National Review and the Weekly Standard, so I'm not
           surprised to see the ideological bent.  She also wrote a
           book with the title, "The Burden of Bad Ideas: How Modern
           Intellectuals Misshape Our Society."
           \_ Ummm.. the article doesn't claim that it never happens,
              just that the issue is way overblown, and raises questions
              about how you define rape.  She does, however, over-state
              her case.  she doesn't seem to acknowldge date rape as a
              possibility, which is obviously wrong.
              \_ Girl I dated briefly upon walking past random dude I'd never
                 met: He's a rapist!
                 Me: What?  Who?
                 Her: Him!  That guy!  (pointing)
                 Me: OMG, what happened?  Was it reported?  (changes direction
                     to go find phone/authority_ figure/dunno_what)
                 Her: Oh, uhm, well not like that....
                 Me: Huh?  What do you mean?  If he raped someone he shouldn't
                     be walking around!
                 Her: Well, like he saw my friend across the room at the party
                      on Saturday and was leering at her and raped her with
                      his eyes!
                 Me: ....
        \_ Hi, lost interest in this after page 30 or so... this article
           is pretty long and i have work to do.  I will chime in here with
           City Journal is a well known right wing journal with a bone
           to pick with people, so of course the writer wants to offend
           someone.  Plus my gf got raped once in college (NOT BY ME).
           I will happily jump to conclusions about anyone who writes
           regularly for the Weekly Standard and National Review,
           what a bunch of tools.
        \_ This is a good article. -city-loving liberal
        \_ This is a good article. -liberal
2008/2/25-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:49250 Activity:moderate
2/25    http://www.wfp.org/english
        Donate to the World Food Programme! I just got involved and I'm
        very proud of it. Stop the hunger, donate now!
        \_ Aren't you actually perpetuating it by creating dependency on
           donations and screwing up the local economies for food?
           Besides, I already donate a lot of food through taxes and federal
           food programs.
           \_ Seconded. The problem isn't about giving them fish, but to
              teach them how to fish. By giving them fish, they'll never
              learn and create MORE hungry mouths that require you to feed
              them and the problem will compound through time. I understand
              it's only ethical to stop the hunger, but by helping them,
              there will be more hungry mouths to feed in the future.
              It's more effective through economic education, birth
              control, etc.  I hope Christian missionaries will help
              in this regard.
           \_ Exactly. I'll donate to the African Rational Food Markets program so the
              countries stop panicking and withholding food from each other. The
              continent actually produces enough to feed itself. It's something to keep
              in mind when we talk about lifting US and EU agriculture tariffs (which
              I support): how are they going to get the food to use if they can't get
              it to markets on their own continent?
                 \- would you also support no public assistance for anybody
                    who lives in a place that has had a hurricane in the
                    last 20 years? i mean that just perpetuates living
                    in hurricane territory. besides, they should be getting
                    insurance. do you think we should stop all agri subsidies
                    by thanksgiving or give'em till Xmas. Can we drop
                    any smokers from using public dollars on any harms that
                    are likely to have been caused by smoking? etc.
           \_ Exactly. I'll donate to the African Rational Food Markets program
              so the countries stop panicking and withholding food from each
              other. The continent actually produces enough to feed itself.
              It's something to keep in mind when we talk about lifting US and
              EU agriculture tariffs (which I support): how are they going to
              get the food to use if they can't get it to markets on their own
              get the food to us if they can't get it to markets on their own
              continent?
        \_ I hate to be Malthusian, but isn't giving them food without doing
           anything about population growth just putting off the whole hunger
           problem to the next generation, and making it bigger for them
           at the same time?   Hunger is just nature's way of saying 'there's
           too many of you!'
           \_ Except the birth rate has actually gone down in those societies
              which have become more food secure.
              \_ Donated food is not secure.  By that standard, people on
                 various forms of welfare should be doing great.
              \- google for causality. your brain has been classified
                 as: puny
                 \_ I am in pretty good company:
                    http://www.csua.org/u/kwv (The Economist)
           \_ Limiting population growth is a good idea, but the main problem
              with most countries with famine/food supply issues tends to be
              distribution, not some magical lack of the resources (or
              resources that can be traded for such).
              \_ Specifically: wars.  Africa has had several regional wars
                 where one or more sides cut off food to the other, or worse,
                 the local warlords grabbed all the donated food for their men
                 and the black market to buy more weapons.  Sending more food
                 to areas like that only hurts the civilian population who
                 rarely sees any of the food.
2008/2/25-29 [Uncategorized] UID:49251 Activity:nil
2/25    GOOG stock tanking, still holding on to it?
        \_ I will be vindicated! -GOOG short 100 guy
        \_ I bought more.  -tom
        \_ Yeah!!  -- sour grape guy
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