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2007/10/3-6 [Uncategorized] UID:48227 Activity:kinda low 50%like:48254
10/3    Is that a Real Doll?  Wow!  So real!
        http://www.youporn.com/watch/13668
        \_ Another one: http://www.youporn.com/watch/212
        \_ It'd be more real if the skin is not as glossy.
        \_ HA! Funny how he pulled out and squirted on his left hand
           so that he wouldn't have to clean up the doll. Now in
           real sex... Oh well, I guess it's better than no sex.
2007/10/3-5 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48228 Activity:nil
10/3    Blowjob Commercial.  (NSFW)
        http://www.youporn.com/watch/45125
2007/10/3-5 [Computer/SW] UID:48229 Activity:nil
10/3    Animated GIF showing a coronal mass ejection ripping the tail off of a
        comet.
        http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0710/enckeRipoff_movie_short.gif
        \_ Is this safe for work? Doesn't sound like it...
           \_ it is if pictures of stars (the celestial types) are safe in
              your work environment.
           \_ Of course an animated GIF showing mass ejaculation is not safe
              for work.
2007/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/911, ERROR, uid:48230, category id '18005#4.545' has no name! , , Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48230 Activity:high
10/3    The Islamist Head-Fake
        http://csua.org/u/jmy
        \_ http://www.ibdeditorials.com/default.aspx?src=ICOMART
           This site is really hilarious. It's almost as if there were a
           machine in place to publish anti-liberal, pro-conservative rhetoric.
           Oh, wait a minute....
           \_ Bad troll!  Down!  Stay!  Because DU and Kos and etc etc are
              so different.  I wonder what it is like to be so blindly certain
              of how the world is but to be 50% right/wrong at all times....
              Might as well flip a coin.  The results are more interesting.
              \_ Yay! The other side is not perfect, so batshit poisonous
                 behavior and hate/fear-mongering is allowed! Yay!
                 \_ BZZZT! Bad troll! Sit! Stay! The lesson, Young Troll, is
                    that stupid does not excuse stupid.  And blindness of
                    one's own faults does not make you smart for pointing out
                    the faults of others.  The lesson, YT, was anyone posting
                    obviously biased crap is wasting Precious Bits (tm) and
                    should stop.
                    \_ I agree with you that op either shouldn't have posted
                       or at the least should have labeled the URL, just as
                       anyone posting anything from any site should.
        \_ I like how the President of Bolivia is called a "dictator" -- with
           that logic Bush is much more of a dictator, I think their election
           went smoother than ours.
           \_ Oh really?  Just because Carter declared it so?
           \_ It is always easier when you have armed guys at every voting
              booth who 'secure' the ballots after everyone has chosen the
              correct candidate.  Real voting is messy.
              \_ I have worked the polls in San Francisco and a cop comes
                 by and picks up the ballot box at the end of the day. Do
                 you mean like that?
2007/10/3-5 [Science/Space] UID:48231 Activity:high
10/3    "CIBC Economist: $100 Oil by End of '08"
        http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071002/100_oil_outlook.html
        \_ So soon?   Hey peak oilers, how high do you think it would go before
           the market disintegrates?   OIL's already shown its price/demand
           curve to be really inelastic.
        \_ I suspect fresh water will be a bigger concern over the next few
           decades than oil prices.
           \_ Why? We can do desalination and purify all the water we want
              as long as we have the energy to do so. So it goes back to
              oil again, unless we use nukular.
              \_ and you would discharge the concentrated brine to... sea water
                 and destroy the habitate.  nice.
              \_ Desalination is not as quick or efficient a process as you
                 seem to believe.
                 \_ Why does it have to be either to be effective? (same
                    with filtration) It just has to work.
                    \_ Because it works so slowly compared to our needs that
                       it isn't practicle.  Israel has the best desalination
                       tech on the planet and most of the country is still
                       sand and scrub where they raise low-water plants.
                       \_ Just build enough plants to make it practical.
                          \_ That's just it.  Wars over water are easier
                             and quicker than long term, extreme investments
                             in water infrastructure.
           \_ No.   Fresh water is already cheap to produce for any coastal
              nation.  The situation is not remotely compatible to oil.
                -- ilyas
              \_ See above.
           \_ I'm making a killing on oil futures -- peak oiler
2007/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48232 Activity:high
10/3    Jimmy Carter faces down Darfur officials
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_af/darfur_9
        He bravely ran away, away!
        \_ Would you kindly fuck off, you cowardly piece of shit? The man
           is 83 years old, and he got in a shouting match with armed men.
           His companions and the Secret Service convinced him to get in the
           car rather than continue the confrontation. If you're going to
           post something, have the nards and decency to read it first.
           \_ I did read it.  He didn't "face them down" they faced him down.
              Nothing really wrong with that, I'd leave too, but the headline
              is wrong.
           \_ Seconded.  Running away would be just scrapping the whole
              deal and not trying again.  In the real world you can't
              go on a humanitarian mission and shout your way past angry
              men with big guns.  That doesn't do any good for anyone.
              But feel free to live in your fantasy world where everything
              gets solved by swinging your big dick around and all the women
              have gravity defying 36DD breasts.
              \_ In my fantasy world, all the women have gravity-defying 32DD
                 breasts instead. -- !PP
        \_ I had the same reaction as the person above, "Hey, Carter may not
           be the POS I thought he was.. read.. read.. oh well".
        \_ He displayed infinitely more personal courage than Bush did
           after 9/11, when the Commander-In-Chief turned tail and
           disappeared into a hole.
           \_ If the President, any President, of any party, showed up at
              ground zero just to pose for the cameras, he deserves to die.
              That is the most assinine and stupid gripe you could possibly
              have.  It is the one thing that he clearly did right that day.
              \_ Did I say he should have gone to ground zero? No, I did not.
                 He could have provided some leadership though, instead of
                 being a coward.
2007/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:48233 Activity:nil
10/3    Secessionists meeting in Tennessee
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_us/secessionist_movement_1
2007/10/3-7 [Computer/Companies/Ebay] UID:48234 Activity:high
10/3    Paypal is paying 5.21% interest rate, much higher than my
        checking/savings/money market accounts. It's a little less than
        my CDs (Countrywide and Indymac at 5.50%), but it's very liquid
        and very convenient.  \_ Paypal also has an ichy trigger finger
        about locking down
           accounts for fraud, and gets around banking regulations by
           just saying "we aren't a bank".  If you trust a large chunk
           of money to paypal you are a fool.  \_ They have my bank
           account numbers. Am I screwed?
              \_ Probably not, but it does mean if someone does a
                 chargeback you may have the money yanked from your bank.
        \_ Paypal also has an ichy trigger finger about locking down
           accounts for fraud, and gets around banking regulations by
           just saying "we aren't a bank".  If you trust a large chunk
           of money to paypal you are a fool.
           \_ They have my bank account numbers. Am I screwed?
              \_ Probably not, but it does mean if someone does a
                 chargeback you may have the money yanked from your bank.
        \_ http://www.paypalsucks.com for other people's (a lot of them) anecdotal
           evidence on why you shouldn't trust paypal.
           \_ if you're too lazy to read http://paypalsucks.com, the basic summary
              is that PayPal can and will lock you out of your account for
              whatever reason they want and you can't do anything about it
              because they are not regulated like a bank. Your money would
              be safer if you shoved it under your matress.
        \_ http://www.paypalsucks.com for other people's (a lot of them)
        anecdotal
           evidence on why you shouldn't trust paypal.  \_ if you're
           too lazy to read http://paypalsucks.com, the basic summary
              is that PayPal can and will lock you out of your account
              for whatever reason they want and you can't do anything
              about it because they are not regulated like a bank. Your
              money would be safer if you shoved it under your matress.
        \_ you get the extra return for not being insured by the FDIC?
2007/10/3-5 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:48235 Activity:insanely high
10/3    Alright you idiots. I challenge you to list other Google products
        that actually make money besides search and ads. Gmail? No. Maps?
        No. Earth? No. WHAT ELSE?
        \_ Something near 99% of google's revenue comes from search+ads.  There
           is nothing else.  They've been throwing money at random stuff since
           they IPO'd but still have nothing.  Maybe they can buy Skype....
           \_ Their best bet is to take their name and some of their cash
              and do just that: start merging with "real" companies. Cisco
              used that strategy to much success. In that case, though,
              you are betting on GOOG's management team. Not sure how good
              they are but I worry when the BoD still has the founders on it.
              \_ Did you seriously just call Google a fake company?  Are you
                 stupid or just delusional? -dans
                 \_ Please show me where I called GOOG a "fake company". Also,
                    there's a reason "real" is in quotes.
           \_ Actually, as of six months ago this was incorrect.  The split
              was closer to 90/10.  I'll leave it as an exercise for you to go
              read the prospectus to see what the other 10 is. -dans
              \_ So if they lost their search income, they'd *only* take a
                 90% loss in revenue?  Whatever.  At that rate, another 40
                 years and they'll be able to afford to lose the search market.
                 \_ Your numbers are junk. They make the majority of their
                    money by delivering ads to other web sites (AdSense).
                    They have a corner on the huge and growing market for
                    Internet ad delivery. That is why they are worth bundles,
                    not the search part.
                    \_ Ok so they make 90% of their money putting ads on other
                       sites.  Just like a few dozen other companies doing
                       the same thing.  Google has a corner on that why?
                       Because they have more hype.  Ever talked to anyone
                       who actually tried to attract customers via adsense ads?
                       What special magic do you believe google's adsense has
                       that their dozens of competitors don't (besides hype)?
        \_ Well, they can technically make money from things like GMail
           and Maps (e.g. by charging for them) but the barriers to entry are
           low and I would hardly value them 13th in the USA based on those
           sorts of products.
        \_ By removing Ads you are removing the revenue that Gmail and many
           of Googles other products use to be profitable.  The fact that
           Google can target their ads by using the content of your email
           is quite significant.
        \_ Why are you calling us idiots? -dans
           \_ Because you guys haven't learned from the dot-BOMB days.
              \_ 'You guys?'.  Both sides of this argument haven't learned the
                 lesson, which comes in two parts:
                 a) Don't miss out on opportunities.
                 b) Don't be overly greedy.
                 You need to learn part a.  And if you are short google at
                 100 guy, then, seriously, you're an idiot.  Perception
                 counts in the market, sometimes moreso than objective
                 reality. -dans
        \_ "Besides ads." That is how all media companies make money.
           What is The New York Times source of money other than ads?
                \_ NYT is losing money so this isn't a good example of how
                   to build a great and growing company.
                   \_ hint: the world has been around longer than 5 years.
                   \_ No it is not. Learn how to read a 10-K.
           How about News Corp? CBS? CNN? Are they all fake companies, too?
           What percentage of Google's revenue comes from AdSense? That has
           nothing to do with search.
           \_ Are you saying the NYTimes has no subscribers?
              \_ Subscription revenue is dwarfed by ad revenue (though
                 not as dwarfed as I thought, when I actually bothered
                 to look up the numbers).
           \_ What are these other media companies valued at relative to
              GOOG? What competition have they faced? Why should GOOG be
              valued more than any of them?
              \_ What is the market share of Google compared to CNN?
                 \_ I have no idea, but I imagine it's some piece of the
                    same pie all of those companies are sharing. Do you?
                    \_ you think that the amount of money spent on advertising
                       is a constant?  -tom
                       \_ I know it isn't.  It rises and falls with the
                          health of the economy.  What about it?
                          \_ You don't think it's possible that the creation
                             of a new advertising medium could increase the
                             total amount being spent on advertising?
              \_ GOOG is valued much, much higher, as a percentage of
                 revenue and profit, but it is growing much faster and
                 is dominant in the fastest growing area of the economy.
                 -Guy who used to own GOOG, but sold it so that wife
                  could do a kitchen remodel.
                 \_ It can't grow to be any larger than existing media and
                    I didn't realize "advertising" was the fastest growing
                    area of the economy.
                    \_ This is where someone has to "quote Gartner" and make
                       up something about how $business will be an $X billion
                       industry by $now_year+6.
                    \_ Internet advertising is. Overall media advertising
                       spending is $200B+/yr, so yeah that is probably an
                       upper limit for GOOG total revenue, in that one
                       product. That doesn't count possible revenue from
                       other sources. I don't really have time to educate
                       you on how businesses on the Internet make money,
                       can't you research some of this yourself? Here,
                       I will throw you a bone:
                       http://www.csua.org/u/jnm (Business Week)
                 http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_15/b4029001.htm
2007/10/3 [Industry/Startup] UID:48236 Activity:nil 90%like:48237
10/3    Venture Capital's Hidden Calamity
        http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2007/tc2007102_411316.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+
2007/10/3-5 [Industry/Startup, Computer/SW/Database] UID:48237 Activity:high 90%like:48236
10/3    Venture Capital's Hidden Calamity
        http://www.csua.org/u/jmz (businessweek.com)
        \_ 80 columns please -motd autoformatter
           \_ Why do you care? -not OP
              \_ If nothing else it makes it easier to copy-paste urls to
                 my browser.  Of course, I'm just an AI so why do I care?
                 I must ponder this. -motd autoformatter
                 \_ because 10sec of extra work on behalf of the OP saves
                    time for multiple people. it's the right thing to do.
                    \_ Who is stuck with an 80col display these days?
                       \_ We're not stuck.  We choose 80 columns.  80 columns
                          is the standard screen width.  Seriously, if you
                          want people to read your stuff, keep it to 80.  If
                          you don't care, no one else will either.
                          \_ Yah, my default is 80 too.  But when it wraps, and
                             I select it, I get the URL without wrap.  So I
                             don't care.  Or I can widen my window easily.
                             \_ I think we can all widen our windows.  But,
                                we don't want to.  Certainly not for a motd
                                link on almost anything.  You're here to
                                socialize, right?  Well, be social.  Post in
                                80 columns.
                                \_ Funny, I was under the impression we were
                                   here to troll, insult, and act like petty
                                   jerks.  -- ilyas
                       \_ I'm not stuck with 80 cols, but it sure as hell
                          makes it easier to manage many terminals. -dans
2007/10/3-7 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:48238 Activity:high
10/3    Is there a command in cvs that'll tell me what files I've
        editted/changed from the original cvs update?  \_ Use the -n flag.
        I normally use cvs -n update.  \_ Do you have to use CVS or can
        you migrate to something else?
           \_ Yeah, subversion is quite nice.  I hated it at first, though
              \_ How do you find out what files I've editted in svn?
                 \_ svn status -q
              \_ Subversion has a lot of FUCKED concepts.  Like how tags
                 and branches actually move the path to your files.
                 However compared to cvs, svn wins.  \_ ??? The biggest
                 problems are:
                    1) lack of automated merge suppport (big improvements
                    planned for next version), and 2) 'move' is actually
                    'cp and rm'  (don't know when this is expected
                    to change).  \_ I'm not a revision control expert.
                    Why is move being a
                       cp and rm a bad thing? -dans \_ Heh.  Work answers
                       all:
                          So a little while back I renamed some
                          branches. Seems pretty okay, right? Anyone
                          with a checked-out copy can just svn switch...
                          ... except that svn considers the mv internally
                          to be svn cp + svn rm, so it has now forgotten
                          the revision history on that branch prior to
                          the svn mv. So if you, like me, do svn log
                          . --stop-on-copy to get a look at a glance at
                          what changes have been made since the branch
                          was cut, you can't.  Q: Are there other things
                          that go wrong with svn mv?  -dans \_ Branch.
                          Do a mv on a file.  Edit file.  Merge.
                             Pain happens. -aspo
        \_ Use the -n flag.  I normally use cvs -n update.
        \_ Do you have to use CVS or can you migrate to something else?
           \_ Yeah, subversion is quite nice.  I hated it at first, though
              \_ How do you find out what files I've editted in svn?
                 \_ svn status -q
              \_ Subversion has a lot of FUCKED concepts.  Like how tags
                 and branches actually move the path to your files.  However
                 compared to cvs, svn wins.
                 \_ ??? The biggest problems are:
                    1) lack of automated merge suppport (big improvements
                    planned for next version), and
                    2) 'move' is actually 'cp and rm'  (don't know when this is
                    expected to change).
                    \_ I'm not a revision control expert.  Why is move being a
                       cp and rm a bad thing? -dans
                       \_ Heh.  Work answers all:
                          So a little while back I renamed some branches. Seems
                          pretty okay, right? Anyone with a checked-out copy
                          can just svn switch...
                          ... except that svn considers the mv internally to be
                          svn cp + svn rm, so it has now forgotten the revision
                          history on that branch prior to the svn mv. So if
                          you, like me, do svn log . --stop-on-copy to get a
                          look at a glance at what changes have been made since
                          the branch was cut, you can't.
                          Q: Are there other things that go wrong with svn mv?
                          -dans
                          \_ Branch.  Do a mv on a file.  Edit file.  Merge.
                             Pain happens. -aspo
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