9/10    http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/09/10/robin-hanson/cut-medicine-in-half
        More 'absurd' claims about medicine and health. -- ilyas
        \_ One take-away is that we should all be spending more money and time
           at/in gyms.
        \_ What a shock: the Cato Institute thinks the government should
           spend less on social services.  I never would have expected that!
           \_ But, but, the Heritage Foundation agrees! Oh, wait....
           \_ The author of the essay is not affiliated with Cato, he's a
              GMU economist. -- ilyas
              \_ The GMU economist who came up with the brilliant idea of
                 using idea futures markets to set Middle East policy.
                 \_ You set yourself up for the obvious "even such a patently
                    absurd notion as idea futures will probably do better
                    than what we have now when it comes to the Middle East."
                    We can make another thread about idea futures, this one
                    is about health and medicine.  -- ilyas
                 \_ Heh, you set up the obvious "idea futures will probably
                    do better than what we have now."  I think his point
                    isn't to change the decision making process in our
                    society overnight, but to encourage exploration of new
                    ways of aggregating information for decision making in
                    limited settings.  Are you trying to paint him as a nut?
                    He's not a nut, but he is interested in 'paradigm-shifting'
                    ideas, and more generally in bias, which means he
                    often writes on ideas that seem strange. -- ilyas
                    \_ Yes, I remember when I suggested that Bush was lying
                       about Saddam Hussein having WMD before the start of
                       the war and was dismissed as being "too absurd to be
                       true." Are you talking about things like that?
        \_ I worked in the health care system and these observations all ring
           try to me. We spend way too much money on extending the life of
           people who are half dead anyway and not enough on prevention. -ausman

9/11    "Allo!  My name is Diego Montoya!  And these are my underpants!"
        http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2430913.ece

9/11    where did the 900 threads from the weekend go?  damn.
        \- check the bit bucket

9/11    hey old people do you remember this song
        http://dumpindumpin.blogspot.com/2007/02/ewa100-91-house-of-pain-jump-around.html
        \_ actually the old people might remember all of these songs.
           ok tnx.
           http://dumpindumpin.blogspot.com/2007/05/ewa100-master-list.html

9/11    new CSUA logo
        http://blog.wfmu.org/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/09/254b.jpg
        \_ Nice partisan shot at a non-partisan post.  I salute you troll!
        \_ how about:
           http://members.fortunecity.com/sfcspacedock/eelrglogo.jpg
           \_ It wasn't partisan.  It was social and political commentary.
              If you think it was partisan, who exactly was it partisan
              in favor of?  -!op

9/11    HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY |
        HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY |
        HAPPY
        WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY
        WTC
        DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC
        DAY |
        HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY | HAPPY WTC DAY
        \_ is that supposed to be a flag?

9/11    "Allo!  My name is Diego Montoya!  And these are my underpants!"
        http://xrl.us/5xn8

9/11    I haven't showered since Friday and I feel really itchy.

9/11    Enough with the 9/11 histrionics.  Get over it.  Go shop for Halo 3
        or something.
        \_ I just preordered the Orange Box.  Will be playing TF2 beta next
           week.  Woot!

9/11    To review: it's good that the gubmint can, with oversight, eavesdrop.
        It's not good when the same activity occurs without oversight. So,
        yes, eavesdropping did help to foil the recent plot in Germany, but
        no, the AG does not get carte blanche to tap phones.
        \_ To review, nice lie.  Good troll for you.

9/11    So when Ted Olson becomes AG, how will Alberto Gonzales critics react?

9/11    http://www.csua.org/u/jhl
        "I'm leaving him," she said. "He's grouchy all the time. I want a
        guy who's rich and cheerful all day and all night. Why should I
        have to suffer because his business is bad?"
        Are any of you losing wives over the whole housing bubble popping?
        \_ Hi, I'm Ben Stein and watch me try and claim that the housing
           bubble is going to turn around any day now, but do so in a way
           that if it doesn't I can pretend I wasn't saying that.
           God damn that man is such a wanker.
           \- "I won the John Bates Clark Medal. You, sir, are
              a game show host." ... BEEN STEIN is not just a pud,
              but may actually be semi-insane. This is well worth reading:
              http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2005/06/a_missing_piece.html
           \_ Hi, I'm a motd troll.  Watch me make fun of an article I haven't
              read, poorly.  Did I fool you?
              \_ Dude, in that article he tries to play it both ways so bad
                 it isn't even funny.
                 \_ "Six years."
                 \_ Why do you take it so seriously? It's obviously not a
                   "here are my weighty predictions" article. It's just
                   some dumb fluff piece.
                   \_ Look, it's just a dumb fluff piece so I can take
                      both positions.  See, just a dumb fluff piece.
                      Of course after everything goes down I can
                      point to the parts that were right and forget all
                      the fluffyness.  If things go totally haywire and
                      neither X nor Y happen I can just shrug and say
                      it was a dumb fluff piece.  This is exactly why
                      I think The Daily Show shouldn't get a pass for
                      being on Comedy Central.
                      \_ Uh, when have people pointed to the Daily Show
                         in a serious way? I don't see how anyone could
                         point to this article here in a serious way
                         either.
                         \- Jon Stewart doesnt claim to be a lawyer &&
                            economist && journalist && philosopher, seek
                            affiliation with think tanks which lobby to
                            change public policy etc. BSTEIN allegedly
                            was #1 in his class at yale law, so ostenisibly
                            he at some point was a smart guy. but he says
                            so many whack things, that why i think you need
                            some theory ot explain his brain snapping or
                            being disingenuous etc [like ann coulter clearly
                            says some things so she becomes a media story->
                            free advertising].

9/11    Weird, it's 911 and no one has started the "where were you 6
        years ago thing."  I'll start:
        \_ My roommates yelled at me to turn the tv on.  I called my friend
           from NYC and told him to wake up and turn on the tv.  He said
           "I'm sleeping.  Tape it for me."
        \_ I arrived at work and was told that the WTC was gone.
        \_ I logged onto Soda immediately to troll emarkp.  Oh wait no I
           didn't.  But that would have been funny!
           \_ I think trolling paolo was more in fashion then.
        \_ We should only do this on 5 year anniversaries. (I was at home,
           then I went to work... pretty much like any other day except
           for all the excitement. National disasters are really entertaining.)
        \_ I had stayed up all night working on a grant presentation for
           Oakland City Council. I got a half-hour's sleep, hit the shower,
           and then my wife came running in to tell me what happened. Needless
           to say, the City Council hearing was cancelled. --erikred
        \_ I was vacationing in Bali. I met another American girl on vacation
           in a bar there. We ended up back at my hotel room at night. I
           thought I was going to get laid. But we spent the whole night
           watching 9/11 coverage on the Asian edition of CNBC instead. Damn
           terrorists.
           \_ Did you make a pass at her anyway, the next day or something?
              \_ No. I thought it would be classeless. Plus, I wasn't really
                 in the mood.
                 \_ "If you don't have sex with me, it means the terrorists
                     have won."
        \_ My wife and I were getting ready to go to work.  Then my dad in Hong
           Kong called me, yelling at me to turn on the TV as if I did
           something wrong.
           \_ You're such a screwup they put it on tv!  Turn on the tv, quick!

9/11    mail not working.. /var/mail/ subdirectories gone?
        \_ and mtd is again un-setuid'd

9/11    Students: I'll be on campus with Adobe tomorrow in the Pauley
        Ballroom.  Swing on by to find out more about the company and
        leave your resume.  Looking for full time hires/graduating seniors.
        -chaos

9/11    The War On Terror is like herpes.  Not going away ever.
        Deal.
        \_ Ridiculous. The WoT is a fiction, like the War on Drugs. Once
           people wake up to the idea that you can be alert and not paranoid,
           this "War" will implode.
           \_ Nah, too many GOP donors are sucking on the public teat to
              ever let a moneymaker like WoT ever go away entirely. Just
              like the idiotic "war on drugs" the people raking in public
              dough will drag it out indefinitely.
        \_ Heh, a troll op followed by a trollicious reply which hooked
           another troll.  You earned the Triple Troll Whammy Award!
           \_ And you of course, are not a troll, so no T4 award...
              \_ No, I'm commenting on the trolliciousness of the whole thing
                 which makes you and me meta-trolls.  If I were commenting on
                 a baseball game that does not make me a baseball player.

9/11    Hi does anyone else run linux/freebsd on their Desktop?
        Do you encrypt your home directory?  How does that play nice
        with hibernation/suspend?  Do you have to enter in a secret
        key when you log in?  Could you give a short summary of how
        this all works?  thank you!
        \_ I'm a FreeBSD user.  I do not encrypt my home directory
           as I don't keep anything important there.  I do have GBDE
           partitions, and occasionally have soft links to files there
           from my home directory.  Once attached, GBDE partition is
           "just there."  Hibernation/suspend should not affect it.
           I don't hibernate/suspend anyway.  I'd think that if you
           have a good password, and lock your X session (or just log
           out), you'd be safe.  If the machine is rebooted, GBDE
           partition is gone.  You need to re-attach with the
           password.

9/11    remember when politburo got rid of the motd after 9/11 because
        someone's dumb girlfriend thought someone said mean things?
        those were the days.
        \_ Yes, and it was the right thing to do.
           \_ I remember when Berkeley stood up for Free Speech.
              \_ The CSUA != Berkeley != UC Berkeley != FSM.
                 \_ The CSUA is not part of UC Berkeley? Could have
                    fooled me...
                    \_ Also, Berkeley would likely not exist at all if the
                       University wasn't here.
                    \_ You seem to misunderstand the meaning of equality.
                       And, if you want to nitpick, the CSUA is an ASUC
                       sponsored student group, and the ASUC is independent of
                       UC Berkeley.
           \_ Yeah, it's always the right thing to do to make sure that the
              unethical CSUA President continues to get laid.  That's way more
              important than the CSUA community.  -tom
              \_ From my memory the things that were being said were close
                 enough to racist hate speach (if not were racist hate speach)
                 that had things escelated to the right people the csua
                 could have had a serious disaster on it's hands.  On the
                 level of no more csua.  For sure no more csua office.
                 A few weeks timeout for everyone didn't hurt anyone.
                 \_ Oh and the rest of the trash posted here the rest of the
                    year wouldn't be a problem?  Uh huh....  -!tom
                 \_ Berkeley's hate speech provisions were struck down
                    as being overly broad limits on freedom of speech. I
                    don't think that the CSUA would have been in any kind
                    of trouble whatsoever, even if people had complained,
                    but I understand your concern.
                 \_ That's horse crap; it's like saying that CalMail would
                    be taken down because people sent hate mail through it.
                    The very most that would happen is that someone would
                    tell the CSUA to delete the comments.  -tom
        \_ Can someone explain what sort of mean things were said?  I was
           on motd-vacation at the time or something and never found out.
           \_ There was one troll who posted some anti-Arab, anti-Muslim
              stuff, raw stuff along the lines of nuke/kill them all etc.
              Those posts had contrary replies, of course (since when do
              trolls fail on the motd?). It's an unmoderated anonymous forum.
              I don't believe there was any real legal issue. In fact,
              treating it that way sort of implies that the CSUA really is
              responsible for what someone posts in here.
              \_ CSUA gets university money and valuble space.  Guess what,
                 clubs have been shut down for stuff like that pretty damn
                 fast.  If some sports team had a real old school cork board
                 that started getting racist screeds on the level of "Kill
                 all the sand-niggers" (it really was that bad people)
                 how long do you think it would take before Cal clamped down
                 HARD?  Seriously.  I think the eventual fallout was that
                 the default login didn't see motd.public on login.  See,
                 a solution was found.
                 \_ Could you give a relevant example of a club that was
                    shut down?  -tom
                 \_ I don't know, what downclamping do you think would happen?
                    Anyone could just remove the screeds. The motd
                    wasn't really shut down anyway, people posted in
                    some other file for a while. I have no problem with
                    not showing motd.public on login. But it could always
                    have been disabled. Nobody was forced to read it.
                    If someone posted a racist screed on a lamppost in
                    SF, and I got offended, can I sue SF?
                    \_ Who said anything about lawsuits? -dans

9/11    hey old people do you remember this song
        http://dumpindumpin.blogspot.com/2007/02/ewa100-91-house-of-pain-jump-around.html
        \_ actually the old people might remember all of these songs.
           ok tnx.
           http://dumpindumpin.blogspot.com/2007/05/ewa100-master-list.html

9/11    "Allo!  My name is Diego Montoya!  And these are my underpants!"
        http://xrl.us/5xn8  [hey the url fit in 80 columns, why shrink it
        and destroy the source address?  -op]

9/11    HAPPY 9/11 - ALLAHU ACKBAR

9/11    I think I have a nifty idea for a software project, but since
        I am not independently wealthy AND I don't feel like having it
        ripped off so that I wind up with nothing, I was wondering if
        the MOTD could advise me on how I could wisely go about getting
        funding for this project, and protect myself.  If I should only
        stick with close friends and relatives, then I will do so.
        Thank you.
        \_ The most important thing is that TOTALLY COMPLETELY NOVEL and
           KICK ASS ideas that will make billions of dollars... are dime
           a dozen in Silicon Valley. Look at it from the VC perspective:
           "I'm a VC and every single day I get bombarded by 100 enthusiastic
           smart people from #1 schools who think they're the next Bill
           Gates or the next Google." If you accept this fact and understand
           why people don't want to pay attention to your GREAT IDEA, then
           you're ready for the next step.
           \_  Thanks for the reality check.
        \_ First advice is get some legal advice from a real lawyer.
           If you need venture capital, there are venture capital meetups
           that you can go to. There's one that's called STIRR (stirr.net)
           where they bring people together in a more social setting.  But
           if you don't need a whole lot of capital, you can also just take
           out a business loan. That way, if your idea succeeds, you can
           still own all rights to it instead of giving the VC a share.
           \_ 2nd time I've heard this nugget.  Thank you.
        \_ You should talk to some people who have been through the whole
           start-up thing before. Eventually, you will have to share your
           ideas to get funding (obviously) but you will need to do a bunch
           of things first. You can email me if you like, since I have
           worked at a bunch of startups, but never on the business side
           of things. -ausman
        \_ IMO, ausman's advice is good.  The best suggestion I have is to
           get a working implementation as quickly as possible and be prepared
           to iterate quickly.  Having a working prototype or later stage
           product significantly increases your ability to obtain funding,
           increases your valuation (i.e. you hand over less of your company
           for your funding), and offers some protection.  Generally speaking,
           VC's don't sign NDA's.  You're welcome to email me too,
           as I've worked at a bunch of startups (working for one now) and
           have worked on the business/funding side of things in the past.
           -dans

9/11    http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=062706C
        Beliefs as trust cues.  (This guy apparently is affiliated with Cato,
        although this doesn't appear to be a Cato-related essay.) -- ilyas
        \_ Good article.
        \_ Agreed, a good article. However, I found two of his references
           suspect: Lawrence Summers' remarks vis-a-vis diversity, while based
           loosely on good empiricism, drifted into speculation not necessarily
           supported by empirical observation; and Wade's comments on the
           objective assignment of race by way of genetic markers tied to
           continent of origin ignores the fact that races are overly broad
           categories that ignore immense genetic variation within the target
           population while reinforcing popular misconceptions of varying
           aptitudes and social tendencies among members of given races.
           Mind you, the trust cues I get from this piece ID Kling as a
           Conservative, but I gather that he thinks of himself as more of a
           rationalist.

9/11    these are ENORMOUS
        http://tinyurl.com/3xlmks

9/11    Help me motd you are my only hope.  I have this hot friend who I've
        known for several years, then she started dating a friend of mine
        and she went on birth control The Patch(tm).  Her breasts got
        absolutely ENORMOUS.  This is short skinny white chick who
        started out at most a large 'B', but she ballooned up to at least
        a DDD.  She must have had to replace her entire wardrobe.  It was
        really crazy.  Now she's single!  She went off the Patch and
        has shrunk down to a large D.  She no longer has trouble walking.
        \_ What's the problem you need help in the troll?

9/11    Has anyone ever made an random anonymous socks proxy work
        ever in the history of mankind ?
        \_ I tried Tor once and it seemed to work. Wasn't hard to use.
           Or is that something different?
           \_ ok i mean anything BUT tor.

9/11    I have a new 50 inch plasma tv that I got 1000 from some miserable
        big box store.  I want it to die as quickly as possible.  What
        are some ways?
        \_ One more time. In English, please.
        \_ If I understand you, the answer is Ebay.

9/11    This seems to be a decent formula for the previous how young is too
        young discussions: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dating_pools.png
        \_ You disgusting pedophile. That comic appears to condone an 18 or 19
           year old man screwing a 16 year old child. Please get help.
           \_ That's legal you know...
              \_ He's just trolling and creating strawmen.
              \_ What's legal has no weight with the people I was arguing with.
                 Also: a 21 year old screwing a 17 yo is illegal: 21/2+7=17
                 \_ You're strawmanning again, PedoTroll.
                    \_ Not really. a) it isn't legal everywhere and b) at least
                       one of the participants in the earlier troll was adamant
                       about 16 being a child.
              \_ Tell that to that poor boy in Georgia.
                 \_ Do you mean the "poor boy" who participated in a gang bang
                    with a 17 year old and then got a blowjob from a 15 year
                    old and videotaped the whole thing?
           \_ dating != sex - who's the pedophile?
              \_ Dating is a romantic relationship. Implies sexual relations.
                 Implies the dater and datee are sexually interested in each
                 other. Who's the idiot?
                 \_ Hi, Bitter No Sex Guy here checking.  it's now been
                    168 days.  I spent the night at her house last night,
                    nothing happened.
        \_ I must've been reading these threads too much.  I had a dream last
           night making out with my 4-year-old niece.   --- 36-yr-old
           \_ If the thought seems acceptable to you, please commit suicide.
           \_ "Ew!", followed by blankness, followed by "eeeew!".

9/11    Replaced with direct url to crime alert:
        http://police.berkeley.edu/crimealerts/2007/07-090907-63NC.html
        \_ I would totally have just kicked his ass.
           \_ Please do.
              \_ More and more, I wish for some vigilantism. Of course, one
                 that is perfectly just - something that can't exist. Watch
                 Boondock Saints!

9/11    hi can i connect a fax machine via voice over ip setup?
        \_ Given that audio of generally digitized/compressed before sent,
           if fax transmits using digital signals, it probably will not work.

9/11    Russia's DOAB four times more powerful than our MOAB.
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070911/ap_on_re_eu/russia_bomb_test
        \_ "Unlike a nuclear weapon, the bomb doesn't hurt the environment,
           he added." Hahaha!
           \_ Well, obviously he means no residual radiation.  The stripping
              the earth bare is part of the intent of the explosion.
              \_ The environment really isn't hurt by conventional explosives.
                 You make a big hole, scatter some metal bits, kill a few
                 trees.  It'll all regrow over soon enough.
           \_ Efficiency and progress are ours once more, now that we have the
              Neutron Bomb.
        \_ They also built the only 100 megaton nuke ever made.  Didn't
           help them any.
        \_ This bomb weighs significantly less than the US MOAB too.

9/11    why you hate my plasma tv?