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2007/8/30 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47815 Activity:very high
8/30    Dear not-getting-laid guy, can you give us more context as to
        how your relationship got to where it is right now? Maybe we
        can try to help you out. Happy sodans = healthier motd.
        \_ I think she went through a hormonal change where she
           completely lost interest in sex.  Or maybe it's me.
           It is probably a combination of both.
           \_ Or her new boyfriend with the Harley, leather jacket and tattoos.
2007/8/30-9/3 [Uncategorized] UID:47816 Activity:nil
8/31    Looks like talks about housing bubble already bubbled in 2005:
        http://csua.com/?q=housing+bubble&type=hist&sort=d
        \_ ObSwamiIsMyHero
2007/8/30-9/5 [Reference/Celebration] UID:47817 Activity:nil
8/31    Happy Birthday Partha!!!!!!!!
        ++psb.age
2007/8/30-31 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:47818 Activity:nil
8/30    http://tinyurl.com/ypcpb4 (washingtonpost.com)
        The GAO hates America, wants terrorists to follow us home, and
        encourages mushroom clouds over major U.S. cities
2007/8/30 [Uncategorized] UID:47819 Activity:high
8/28    this loses a little steam at the end:
        http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=22456
        \_ STUPID comic. You just wasted me 30 seconds. Asshole.
        \_ i thought the whole thing was hilarious
        \_ Good humor is funny even when you're not of the same political bent
           as the author.  This is not good humor.
        \_ Wow, that was pretty unfunny.
2007/8/30 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47820 Activity:nil
8/28    Listen up, if some guy is screaming "I'm pissed I'm not
        getting laid I hate my gf my wife my life my job blah blah," pay
        attention! If you keep ignoring someone in need of help that
        person *will* do something bad like buying guns and magazine
        clips on eBay and start shooting people at school, or maybe even
        worse, start nuking the motd! Please don't allow this unthinkable
        scenario to happen-- listen and offer help.
2007/8/30-9/3 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47821 Activity:nil
8/30 Facebook's photo upload interface is really slick.  Is there another
        photo hosting site out there with something similar?
        \_ My boobs feel enormous this morning.
           \_ I'm really filling out a 32DD today.
              \_ i feel so huuuuuge at the moment. im really small in
                 height so i feel the minute i put on weight it shows
                 alot. i weigh 8 stone and a quarter, but i want to lose
                 alot. i have never been someone that cares about weight
                 too much but recently its the main thing on my mind.  i
                 feel like a bowl of flab on legs. my boobs
                 dont help. im 5ft 2 and i have 32FF boobangulars.
                 everyone says i look in proportion and stuff but i me and
                 my boobs have a love hate relationship. love when i can
                 wear stuff and have some feminine curves, when you think
                 wow i got what people pay 1000s of £'s for for free!
                 hate when everything that is in fashion currrently is
                 made for women who have bodies resembling 8 year old
                 boys. when pretty bras dont go up to my size, especially
                 with 32 back size, and ff cups, they have only jusrt
                 started making these because they didnt think before small
                 framed women could have big tits.  i hate the attention
                 you get from blokes, just that lingering staaare as
                 they walk by.  the other day we went out and three
                 chavvy boys walked past me and one said ';check out
                 the tits on that'
        \_ flickr has a stand-alone app that's quite good (even on Mac). -tom
           \_ Ever since I started using facebook have noticed a change in
              my breast size over the last few months.   basically they
              wont stop growing and none of my bras or shirts fit.
           \_ Have you used Facebook?  When you upload photos in Facebook,
              it sucks in all of the photos on your 'Desktop' ok
              that's just a folder.  That's awesome!  It's a flash
              thing in the browser.
2007/8/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47822 Activity:nil 76%like:47825
8/30    CSUA office types: please contact me.  I want to give you books.\
                --brain
2007/8/30 [Uncategorized] UID:47823 Activity:nil
8/28    hey motd-no-sex guy, i deleted your post, and then someone
        tried to post some helpful advice for you, but that was out
        of order and placed in some weird SPARE THE AIR stanza
        so I deleted that too.  Sorry.  I hope you'll be ok.
           \_ Well, don't give yourself too much credit or sell yourself short.
              Libido can be affected by you not doing the dishes or stress at
              her work, or just about anything. Try communicating, but be
              prepared to be patient; odds are good you're not going to get the
              whole story the first time around, and no good will come of a
              conversation that begins with "Why don't you want to have sex
              anymore?" Last, if it's hormonal, she ought to see a doctor.
              1) It's often treatable, and 2) it can be a precursor to other
              medical conditions. Good look.
              \_ I learned from the motd there is no point in talking to your
                 wife/gf.
2007/8/30-9/3 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47824 Activity:nil
8/28    Matt Taibbi interview:
        "I read "Dead Souls" about forty times before I was twenty. He was
        my hero. For the longest time I just wanted to... well, not to be
        Nicholai Gogol, because he was an insane and miserable boot
        fetishist who ended up becoming an overbearing religious bore
        before starving and bleeding himself to death with leeches, but
        to write like that anyway. But you should see how pathetic it is
        when a modern American tries his style."
        http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/001695.html
        \_ Like many great artists, Gogol was an anti-semite. -- ilyas
2007/8/30-9/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47825 Activity:nil 76%like:47822
8/30    CSUA office types: please contact me.  I want to give you blowjobs.
                                --brain
2007/8/30-9/3 [Reference/Tax] UID:47826 Activity:moderate
8/30    which one of you was pimping the FairTax?
        Noted bastion of socialism the Wall Street Journal
        says it is a Scientology plot:
        http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010523
        \_ The summary isn't quite right, but I'll take good ideas from any
           source. But a national sales tax is hardly a new idea. Oh, and the
           article makes some pretty insightful criticisms, thanks for the
           link. -emarkp
           \_ Which point is insightful?
              \_ Primarily the exposing of the smoke and mirrors on the
                 estimates.  Claiming it's 23% when it's really 30%, and
                 pointing out that gov't agencies would be paying taxes on
                 things they aren't now, which would increase costs, etc. I
                 still think it's an improvement over the IRS. -emarkp
                 \_ The 23 vs 30 is an old hat red herring. Many people bring
                    it up but it's been covered a lot already. Do they have
                    to repeatedly rebut the same old arguments? It is
                    linked from the front page of http://fairtax.org (under "learn
                    about the fairtax"). The government tax issue is also
                    irrelevant; the tax paid shows up in the tax income.
                    The government ALREADY pays itself taxes when it buys
                    stuff; the companies selling to it pay income tax (and
                    government employees pay income and payroll taxes.)
                    Here is an old rebuttal arguing against many of the same
                    exact points:
          http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=news_myths_factcheck
                    http://xrl.us/5hcg
                    This guy's article is really weak. There are reasonable
                    arguments to be made about the fairtax but most of this
                    guy's points are not.
                    \_ The comment about the 23% in that link is laughable,
                       because while it's true that income tax is
                       "tax-inclusive" sales tax is not.  So when the average
                       Joe hears 23% sales tax, he thinks of the current state
                       tax and adds 23 points.  This increases my dislike
                       because I think it's deceptive. -emarkp
                       \_ Who cares what the average Joe thinks? Use your
                          brain. It's not deceptive. Does the average Joe
                          have any clue at all anyway? No. Joe is watching
                          TV. By using the 23% number, it forces this issue
                          to be discussed. If they simply used 30% then
                          average Joe would still be deceived. How is he
                          to interpret that in comparison with income taxes?
                          (This is why I don't have much hope for this plan.
                          It's so difficult to even get to the point where
                          we're talking about the same thing, even in a
                          neutral environment of educated people. At the
                          level of politics it will be impossible.)
        \_ Uh that sounds plausible? I haven't had time to read the articles
           yet but in the interest of fairness I would at least take a look
           at the http://fairtax.org rebuttal: http://urltea.com/1d1v
           I guess you can just say anything and get it published in the WSJ.
           Ok I read it. Almost every point is irrelevant or false.
           \_ The rebuttal doesn't address the 23% vs. 30% issue.
                \_ As a neutral 3rd party learning about the "fair tax" for
                   the first time, it was *very clearly explained* about
                   the difference between the 23% vs 30%.
                   \_ It's still deceptive.  When you hear that the sales
                      tax in CA is 8.25%, how much do you expect to spend
                      on a $100 purchase?
                      \_ They usually refer to it as the "FairTax rate".
                         Since it is a proposal to replace the income tax
                         you need to use the same accounting. It's only
                         deceptive if you hear a soundbite and don't
                         actually learn about the plan.
                         \_ It's deceptive and intentionally so.  It's about
                            marketing, not accounting.
                            \_ Yes it is about marketing. It's not deceptive.
                               It's about marketing against income tax.
                               Let's just disagree and drop it.
              \_ See above.
        \_ Anything that starts out with scare tactics about it being created
           by the Scientologists (it wasn't, they had their own similar
           sounding but different idea and are not related to the fairtax
           people) isn't worth reading.  That the WSJ couldn't figure out
           who was responsible for what when they went on the war path just
           makes me sad for the state of journalism in this country.  They're
           *supposed* to be the best and probably are which says too much about
           how lame the rest of them must be.  I don't know much about the
           fairtax but it didn't take more than 5 minutes to figure out this
           article is FUD and just flat out wrong on several points.
           \_ To be fair, that was on opinion piece from the WSJ.  Not
              journalism.  I still respect WSJ's journalism. -op
              \_ Journalism is, by definition, opinion.  What is it that
                 journalists do for a living?  They present a narrative
                 for the world.  Journalism isn't grounded in anything
                 that would make this narrative privileged.  -- ilyas
                 \_ If you're too dense to differentiate between the
                    way the fuck out there on Pluto WSJ Opinion page, and
                    their news reporting, I have lost all faith in you.
                    \_ 'Facts' exist, but it's not possible to talk about
                       them without a lengthy 'pre-processing stage.'  No
                       one bothers to establish common ground for a
                       discussion about 'facts' anymore.  Certainly not
                       journalists, they are hostage to their business
                       like everyone else. -- ilyas
              \_ Soon they will be part of the Murdoch empire and just as
                 full of crap as the rest of the stuff he makes.
              \_ I don't care if it was an opinion piece.  They published it
                 in their paper and I expect basic *facts* to be correct.  If
                 their opinion piece writers can't get publicly available
                 *facts* right then what's the point of having ops in the
                 first place?  I expect a highly respected paper like the wsj
                 to at least spend the same 5 minutes fact checking something
                 so inflamatory that I spent to find out it was just 100%
                 flat out wrong.  This isn't the sacramento bee, its the wsj.
                 \_ Have you ever read the WSJ opinion page?  Basic facts
                    need not apply.
                    \_ I regularly do.  It isn't often that something so
                       inflamtory *and* easily checked is right there at the
                       inflammatory *and* easily checked is right there at the
                       top of the op screaming FUD!!! at you.
                       \_ I think that woman who writes about central and
                          south america all of the time, I'm too lazy to
                          up here name, spouts lies all of the time but
                          who cares, it's just south america.
2007/8/30 [Health] UID:47827 Activity:nil
8/30    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kPqI1VivAI
              \_ What kind of crazy size is 35C ?
                 \_ This is bust size, not bra size.
                    \_ I'm 5'2, nearly 5'3, and weigh between 125-130lbs
                       depending on the day. Back during high school days,
                       I was about 112 lbs, and only wore a 32D bra.
                       This didn't change until the middle of my sophomore
                       year (last fall), when I gained 10 lbs
                       and went from a 32D to a 32DDD in two months.
                       \_ Thanks for the troll.
                          \_ Hauling these things around all day is
                             torture!  Torture I tell you.
                             \_ Yeah, it is torture to all the guys that stare
                                at you.
                \_ I doubt anyone biologically female posts to the motd.
           \_ The Matrix Reloaded was the first movie that I saw her.
        \_ I think I saw something more explicit in the movie 'Leolo'
2007/8/30-9/3 [Recreation/Media] UID:47828 Activity:nil
8/30    This is one of the top 10 movie moments of all time:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kPqI1VivAI
        \_ A cheesy Steven Seagal line?  If that was a top 10 movie moment
           no one would watch movies.  "I'm going to take you to the bank,
           Senator... the blood bank!"  Ooooooh, aaaaaah... top 10.  Chills
           running up n down my spine!
2007/8/30-9/3 [Recreation/Food] UID:47829 Activity:nil
8/30    why do i feel like crawling up and taking a nap whenever
        I eat?  like a 'food coma'?  Do I need to eat smaller portions?
2007/8/30-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:47830 Activity:nil
8/30    so what if i want sex?  so what if i seek out eligible
        partners in bathrooms?  there's nothing wrong with that.
        \_ As long as you can tap that out in Morse Code with your foot,
           good luck to you.
        \_ in CA it's illegal to go past first base in a public place, and a
           closed stall in a public bathroom is considered public
           \_ I want to see that law.  "If two people start getting all
              freaky and pass first base in public that's like gross.  And
              illegal."
              \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct
               \_ I was just amused by the idea of a law actually using
                  first base in its terminology.
2007/8/30-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:47831 Activity:nil
8/30    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20467347
        10-minute police interview with Sen. Craig (D)
                \_ You realize that Sen. Craig is a republican, right?
        IE only, click "Hear an audio recording"
        \_ I got it to work in Firefox.
2007/8/30-9/3 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47832 Activity:moderate
8/30    so what the heck is a good marriage?  obviously i have failed
        completely.
        \_ most people aren't capable of it and since it requires two of
           these rare people to find and marry each other at similar stages
           in life, good marriages are extremely rare.
           \_ You have made me sad.
              \_ sorry, but see the 'bullshit' person below for an example
                 of someone who should not marry someone.  he'd just make
                 both of them miserable.  a good marriage requires maturity,
                 self sacrifice, trust, and a few other things that are very
                 hard to find today because so many are all about 'me, me, me'.
        \_ It only exists for people with a high tolerance of bullshit.
                 \_ Not arguing with your criteria for a good marriage (I
                    agree, eleven years and rocking), but I don't share your
                    cynicism. These things can be learned if people are willing
                    to do it.
                    \_ They can be learned, true, but most people aren't
                       willing to do.  My wife's friend actually sneered at
                       me when I told her (a few weeks before she was getting
                       married) that marriage required giving up     willing to\
do.  My wife's friend actually sneered at
                       me when I told her (a few weeks before she was getting
                       willing to do.  My wife's friend actually sneered at me
                       when I told her (a few weeks before she was getting
                       married) that marriage required giving up some of that
                       'me, me, me' to make room for 'us, us, us'.  She's
                       still married 3 years later but they're both miserable.
                       \_ Wow, your wife's friend sounds like a gem. Sorry to
                          hear it. Hm, can we lay the blame at Dr. Phil's feet?
                          \_ In this case, no, just pure selfishness learned
                             long before Dr. Phil came on the air.
                 \_ Self sacrifice = tolerance for bullshit
                    \_ Sigh....  Please don't take a second wife, you'll just
                       be ruining her for someone else who might have been
                       happy.  Unless she's as selfish as you in which case
                       you deserve each other.
                       \_ You must have a different definition of
                          self-sacrifice. Mine involves doing things you
                          don't want to do for the sake of the marriage.
                          That always makes people happy! I think most
                          people on the MOTD are idealists who never
                          encountered real marital problems but, more
                          likely, just delude themselves into thinking
                          those problems don't exist.
                          \_ Self-sacrifice != surrendering your entire self.
                             In a marriage, it means working out what's truly
                             important and what's merely petty-ante power
                             politics and eschewing the latter.
                          \_ Not for the sake of the marriage, per se.  And
                             not thing you don't want to do.  But you do things
                             because it makes your wife happy and she does the
                             same for you.  A trivial example: my wife does
                             99% of the house work.  Sometimes she's tired or
                             just doesn't feel like it so I offer to do it.
                             I don't *like* doing housework but it isn't that
                             big a deal and it makes her happy that I'd do it
                             sometimes without being asked (much less nagged).
                             Was that a sacrifice on my part?  Sure, sort of,
                             but not really in the long run.  What sort of
                             sacrifices did you have in mind?  (And please note
                             that I did say this was a trivial example).
                             \_ You wife does 99% of the housework? Does she
                                have a job, too?
                                \_ She does not have a job outside the house
                                   recently.  When she did we had a maid
                                   service and split the rest of what the maids
                                   didn't do.  I hauled trash, we split the
                                   dishes, she did most of the laundry, etc.
                                   \_ I was wondering where you found someone
                                      who thought doing 99% of the housework
                                      was equitable. Now I understand. My wife
                                      works, but we share housework.
        \_ It only exists for people with a high tolerance for bullshit.
        \_ It only exists for people with a high tolerance of bullshit.
2007/8/30-9/3 [Uncategorized] UID:47833 Activity:nil
8/30    I miss waner
2007/8/30-9/3 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:47834 Activity:high
8/30    A Burning Man participant was found dead this morning, hanging
        from the inside of a two-story high tent, according to Mark
        Pirtle, special agent in charge for the Bureau of Land Managment.
        The apparent suicide would be the festival's first in its 21 year
        history, Pirtle said.
        \_ Am I alone in thinking that Burning Man is retarded?
           \_ No.
           \_ Definitely not.
           \_ Nope.
           \_ You are certainly not the only person who has never been there
              and knows practically nothing about it who has a very strong
              opinion about it.
              \_ I'm sure you've been to Guantanamo, Iraq, Darfur, and
                 a Billy Graham Crusade, right?
              \_ I'm sure you've been to Guantanamo, Iraq, Darfur, and a
                 Billy Graham Crusade, right? Or not, since you deleted
                 this comment.
                 \_ How much of my tax payer dollars are being spend on
                    Burning Man? I think the Billy Graham Crusade is just dandy,
                    btw. If people want to spend their own time and money doing
                    things like that, that make them happy, more power to them.
                    And no *I* did not delete this comment. More than two people
                    Burning Man? I think the Billy Graham Crusade is just
                    dandy btw. If people want to spend their own time
                    and money doing things like that, that make them
                    happy, more power to them. And no *I* did not delete
                    this comment. More than two people
                    use the motd, believe it or not.
                    \_ How much does it cost to clean up the environment after
                       they leave?  What is the cost to the local communities
                       to lock up all their stuff and keep their kids inside?
                       (Yes they steal shit from the locals).  Who pays for
                       the cops and emergency services in the area to work
                       overtime?  Just some good clean fun, kids, all free!
                       \_ Just like I said, the people who know the least about
                          what they are talking about, have the strongest
                          opinions. BLM inspects after the event to make sure
                          it is totally clean. Dozens of volunteers stay for
                          months until it is cleaned up. BM LLC pays for every
                          dollar of police, fire and emergency service time.
                          Any other misconceptions you want cleared up?
              \_ Thousands of people show up in the desert, run around naked,
                 take a lot of drugs, have sex with random people for a week,
                 don't bathe, burn a giant 'man', then drive home in their
                 SUVs leaving behind (literally) tons of garbage in the
                 environment for the locals and government to deal with.
                 What was the cool part that I missed?
                 \_ You dont leave your garbage out there.  You take it
                    with you.  so often that means leaving it in a dumpster
                    in Reno, but you dont leave it out in the desert.
                    Actually I'm down with you spreading FUD about burning
                    man that it sucks, it keeps idiots like you from
                    showing up.  please continue!
                    \_ Don't worry. I won't go. I might work to stop BM,
                       though! Enjoy it while it lasts!
                 \_ I don't think a lot of sex goes on at Burning Man.
                    Maybe you might try it once, then you figure out
                    that having sex at Burning Man is terrible and should
                    not be attempted by anyone.
                    \_ Ok, so thousands of dirty people in the desert naked
                       taking a lot of drugs, not getting laid, burning the
                       'man' and leaving a huge mess behind.  I'm still
                       looking for the cool part.
                       \_ Where can I find pix of naked people in BM?
                          \_ google.  Or just go next year.
                 \_ Better for people like you to stay away, since you already
                    know everything anyway. -Been to BM six times
                  \_ Wow, you are such an expert, glad to know you already
                     know everything that 45k people do over a weeks time,
                     even though your only knowledge is through the media.
                    \_ Don't worry. I won't go. I might work to stop BM,
                       though! Enjoy it while it lasts!
                    \_ I've yet to see a single person post anything about
                       BM being anything more than described: smelly people
                       taking drugs for a week, leaving a huge mess behind.
                       If you'd like to correct that 'misunderstanding', please
                       do.  And oh yeah, there's people doing 'art' and
                       'expressing their freedom'.  Sorry, can't forget that.
                       \_ Nope. No desire to encourage fools to come at all.
                          Please stay away.
                       \_ Stupid smelly hippies enjoying Burning Man:
                          http://www.csua.org/u/jfl
                          \_ Just because they are old doesn't prove anything.
2007/8/30-31 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47835 Activity:very high
8/30   I'm not motd boob guy, but I got pizza for lunch.
       and there were 3 chatty eighth grade girls, one of them
       was really skinny with absolutely ENORMOUS breasts, wearing
       a tight tank top.  DD at least.  remember these kids just
       started the eighth grade.  There's a junior high school
       down the st.  Maybe she was in 7th.  She was telling her friends
       she was going to walk over to some boys in the corner and ask them if
       they would like a free look since they were staring
       from 30 feet away.  Then she said she was kidding.  Then she said
       she got sent home from school on the first day of class for
       wearing a shirt from last year, but it was way too small since
       her chest got gigantic  over the summer so they made her go home and
       change.  I think I have to go lie down now.
         \_ Go help her change her shirt.
         \_ Yay for tremendous levels of hormones in the food, water, and air
            causing children to physically mature at an artificially fast rate.
            If she was eating healthy foods she'd still be normal.
           \_ You can't know that.  Some women have freakishly large boobs
              at a young age without hormone influence.
             \_ When does freakishly large kick in?  Junior year?
            \_ You can't know that.  Some women have freakishly large
                boobs at a young age without hormone influence.
             \_ I can easily assume that and how about you take a step back
                and ask why "Some *girls* have freakishly large boobs at a
                young age"?  A little research would point you in the
                direction of hormones in the food/water/air.
           \_ Oh how I wish I was born a decade later!
             \_ I wish I had been born a decade later.
2007/8/30-31 [Uncategorized] UID:47836 Activity:nil
8/30    I didn't realize Larry Craig was a fucking senator.
        There's only 100 of those guys!
        \_ Considering how old some of them are, I'm pretty sure not all
           100 fuck.
2007/8/30-9/3 [Computer/Theory] UID:47837 Activity:nil
8/30    what AI is editing the motd?  that's some next level shit.
        \_ Sorry. -- ilyas
        \_ ilyas -> i l y a s -> s l y a i -> Sly AI
           \_ ilya shpitser -> lisp hysteria
2007/8/30 [Uncategorized] UID:47838 Activity:nil
8/30    Monica Bellucci: 5'10" 35C-24-35.  Slama Hayek: 5'2" 36C-25-37.
        Which is hotter?
        Bellucci: .
        Hayek:          ..    (she has a cuter face)
2007/8/30 [Uncategorized] UID:47839 Activity:nil
8/30    Malarkey?  Or effective way?
        \_ Mormonism?
        \_ Capitalism!
        \_ deism.
2007/8/30 [Uncategorized] UID:47840 Activity:nil
8/30    http://www.ryanblock.com/2007/08/an-open-letter-to-friends-and-colleagues-on-keyword-popovers
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