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| 2007/8/21-23 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:47678 Activity:nil |
8/21 "Arctic sea ice shrinks to record low"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070817/ap_on_sc/low_ice
And it's not even the end of summer yet.
\_ I was reading about how the snow pack is pretty low in the
Sequoia mountain range in CA, exposing more corpses from plane
crashes in WW2. pretty cool.
\_ Because the ice has always been there.
\_ Huh? |
| 2007/8/21-23 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:47679 Activity:low |
8/21 Wow, all I can say is "fugly"!
http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/2008-honda-accord-revealed-291565.php
\_ Interesting. The Accord and Camry did a flip-flop. It used to
be the case that the Accord appealed to the younger crow. The
new Camry has an aggressive style to appeal to the younger
generation while pushing older crowd to their Lexus lines,
while the new Accord has gotten a much more mature look.
Interesting.
\_ It seems to me that for more than a decade, Camry's look has
always been following the Lexus sedan's look from one or two
model year earlier.
\_ V-6 6-sp manual coupe gets 16/25mpg. Gee, this is worse than my
2004 Toyota Sienna 8-passsenger van!
\_ As usual the couple looks much better than the sedan.
\_ Will people think I am gay if I buy a mini? -- ilyas
\_ Mark Wahlberg drove one in The Italian Job, and he played John
Holmes in Boogie nights. |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Politics, Politics/Domestic] UID:47680 Activity:low |
8/21 "Poll: White youths happier than others"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070821/ap_en_ot/youth_poll_race_4
"Sex: Sixty percent of white youths are happy with their sex lives,
compared with 46 percent of minorities. Both groups are about equal on
the sexual activity scale."
Why? Because the white guys get all the H01 4ZN CH1X! Damn it!
(Never mind the white gals who responded in the survey.)
\_ white people happier than non white people? woah.
\_ The article addresses youths only. "Carpenter, one of the
survey participants, spoke for the majority of minority youths
who feel their race will not cause problems later in life."
\_ it's annoying that the article doesn't give number for asians. |
| 2007/8/21-23 [Recreation/Humor, Recreation/Dating] UID:47681 Activity:nil |
8/20 I love R Kelly
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/arts/music/20trap.html |
| 2007/8/21-23 [Health, Recreation/Dating] UID:47682 Activity:low |
8/20 I'm never getting laid again. - below-poster
\_ You sound depressed. Why? Why is it so important to get laid?
Why does the society equate happiness with getting laid? As
a higher functioning animal, we should not have to have sex.
Chemically, it is simply exchanging fluid, reproducing, and
releasing endorphines. Our sex drives interferes with our
intellectual capacity, our motivations, our morales. You
don't HAVE to have sex to get that chemical endorphine. You
don't HAVE to have sex to reach a state of complacency and
comfort. Here is my secret and I want to share it with yall.
After my repeatedly breakups my shrink prescribed
SSRIs and ever since then I stopped having sexual urges.
My productivity shot up drastically; I'm a lot calmer and
methodical than ever, and I've actually become more popular!
Tell your doctor that you'd like to try out different SSRIs.
It's the most amazing lifestyle enhancing supplement you'll
ever take in your life. It's hella better than Viagra... not
that you'll ever want to waste time & money on it after SSRI.
\_ What brave new world, that has such people in it.
\_ O brave new world that has such people in it.
\_ But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want
real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin.
\_ Nice. I was laughing at the above response, till I got to
the SSRI part.
\_ I don't even know what SSRI is. Does that make me lame or
fortunate? BTW, what is SSRI? |
| 2007/8/21-23 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47683 Activity:nil |
8/20 My girlfriend keeps sending me links about Andrea Dworkin
criticism. Good or bad sign?
\_ bad. Sorry. It's biological that we need to seek a new
mate every 5-8 years. Don't get fooled into thinking a good
relationship & sex life lasts forever.
\_ Wow. That's pretty damn clueless.
\_ I'm ok with not having sex every single day. Or even every
single week. but 6 months? and instead of having sex
she's reading Dworkin all the time. bleah.
\_ Why do you put up with this? Because you think things will
change all of a sudden, or you don't think you can do better? |
| 2007/8/21-23 [Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:47684 Activity:low |
8/20 At what point in your life did you realize that you're a
Republican, Democrat, neither, both, etc?
\_ Grew up in the OC... Republican family, like everyone else in
OC. Hated welfare, lazy people, poor people, and gays.
Berkeley changed me profoundly. I realized that I was raised
up as a self loving selfish bastard and realized how stupid it
was to discriminate against people who were different. I
discovered tolerance, and consciously avoided discrimination.
However I also learned how stupid it was to endorse hand-outs and
social programs and tax hike everywhere; you can't help someone
unless they ask for it. I became an independent when I turned 20.
unless they ask for it. I became gay when I turned 20.
I still am.
\_ Spartan
\_ How about the day you wake up and realize it's all a sham?
\_ I'm anti-labor-union but pro-environment, so I'm probably neither.
\_ When I realized the Republicans were really screwing up the country.
That is when I switched from being a Green/independent to the
Democrats. After they finish screwing things up, I will probably
switch back, or even perhaps go Republican if the Democrats
are bad enough. |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Uncategorized] UID:47685 Activity:nil |
8/21 hey root actually what you should do is make /etc/motd
group writeable by group 'motd'. thanks. |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:47686 Activity:nil |
8/21 hey its been fun and everything but root could you
either restore /csua/bin/* , or spend 5 minutes
writing a cronjob that tacks on the contents of
/etc/motd.public on to the end of /etc/motd, every
few minutes or so? I'd do it myself but I DO NOT HAVE
PERMISSION TO WRITE TO /etc/motd ! come on, help us out
here. |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Uncategorized] UID:47687 Activity:nil |
8/21 what happened to Guy Ritchie? I watched Lock Stock,
Snatch, they were great! I just watched some terrible
crap he made that was only released on the continent.
Stupid Maddona.
\_ Some people only have 1-2 good movies/albums/books in them. |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:47688 Activity:nil |
8/21 I doubt ilyas cares about being gay, appearing gay,
or fitting his gay ass into a mini cooper.
\_ What! I care plenty! -- ilyas |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Reference/Tax] UID:47689 Activity:insanely high |
8/21 Seriously, what's wrong with the FairTax plan? psb and others
I'd like to see a real criticism without vague accusations of
"it's regressive!" It seems like a complete win-win situation
for everybody. I was concerned about the possibilities of
fraud and evasion, but when you really analyze it there should
be less of this than under the current system. Since the overall
tax on the economy is about the same ("revenue neutral") when
you consider it's businesses that pay the wages that currently
get taxed under income taxes, in the long run the cost of goods
should remain similar, while our exports would gain a
competitive advantage.
I'm no expert and I'm open to an honest rational explanation.
\_ screw you rich flat tax assholes.
\_ I didn't know what the FairTax plan *was* without looking
at Wikipedia, and wouldn't you know, Wikipedia also
provides the information you wanted from psb et al.
\_ No. Wikipedia's articles have a mostly neutral presentation.
What I want to know is where the hostility comes from.
Because I don't understand it. What particular economic analysis
do people think points to FairTax being a bad idea? Was that
analysis open to review? I see a arguments in the wiki entry
analysis open to review? I see arguments in the wiki entry
that contradict what the FairTax plan proposes. (i.e. straw
man arguments)
I just read this: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3428541
The statements by people opposing the plan are completely vague
and nonspecific. Look at Giuliani and Romney's answers.
The liberal think-tank quote they got is totally vague,
just saying "it shifts burden to middle class". That is false
as far as I can tell. I guess I'll vote for one of the
Republicans that support it.
\_ It's a consumption tax. Generally the more you make the
less of a percentage of your income you spend. So the less
you pay taxes. And since that means you save more you make
\_ "So the less percentage you pay taxes."
even more money. Yes eventually you might spend some of that
money, but in the meantime you have had a tax shelter for
years. Consider that 1. people spend a lower percentage
of their income when they make more and 2. you need the same
revenue as before, that means any sort of flat consumption
tax will need to shift (percentage-wise) the tax burder to
the lower wage earners. It's why sales taxes are regressive
and raising the sales taxes hits the poorest segments of our
society the worst.
\_ You're right as far as you go, however, FairTax
specifically provides for tax rebates to the poor,
making it not-so-clearly regressive. You didn't
address that point, and since you did not, your
criticism of the FairTax proposal is invalid. I
happen to agree with you that *despite* the rebate,
the middle class is going to get screwed, but I
can't really substantiate that in any quantitative
way. --PeterM
\_ A rebate may help the truely poor, but that actually
just shifts the burden even more to the middle class.
Unless the rebate is so large that it is going to
just lead to a broken tax system that doesn't work,
which may very well be the goal of the "FairTax"
(what a stupid, misleading, name) plan.
\_ No, because they get the rebate also. First you
need to define middle class, and show why the
analysis presented by the FairTax web site is
incorrect (showing that the poor have less burden
while the middle class is about the same as now.
Here's the thing: if these rich people stockpile
money, so what? Eventually it will be spent. Or if
\_ #f -dans
not it will be invested in the economy, creating
growth. Plus the economics indicate that the
\_ Also #f -dans
\_ I love your reasoning.
\_ The statements are trivially false. Thank
goodness you're smart enough to see that
too. -dans
plan would overall boost the economy.
And under the current system, capital gains taxes
are lower than regular income taxes. Plus we
have IRAs and 401ks to let people save tax-free.
The system will just be *massively* simplified.
\_ Hint: too much savings can be just as big
a problem for an economy as not enough. See Japan.
\_ I don't know if "see Japan" is useful... didn't
they have a structural problem with lack of
and/or difficulty for entrepreneurs? We are
so far from saving too much that I hardly think
that's a worthy fear. Middle class people are
probably not very savvy with their finances and
more likely to have money sitting in a non-tax
advantaged places like bank accounts. I don't
think having a bunch of poverty-stricken
seniors is a good plan. Meanwhile the existing
wealthy people would have their savings taxed
even though they already paid income tax on it:
sounds like a wealth tax to me.
\_ So you believe that on a sort of religious basis?
\_ I would say intuition rather than religion.
I'll gladly change my mind if I see convincing
analysis and hard numbers. That is not
a religious conviction. --PeterM
\_ Payroll tax is eliminated and a family gets
$20-30k of spending tax free. That sounds pretty
good to me. Plus boosting the economy as a whole
benefits everyone.
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_the_FairTax_burden
\_ Thanks for these URLs. I'm convinced now that
the middle class is going to take it in the ass
while the rich will get a break. The poor also
will get a break. I'm not in favor of screwing
the middle class. Look at 1st URL, #49.
I don't believe for a minute that the "fair tax
effective rate" is going to be lower for everyone
to the extent claimed--and it isn't going to
end up lower for the middle class, who will
end up worse off. --PeterM
\_ Where do you see data indicating middle class
gets screwed? #49 claims that it is lower across
the board. I can't tell you if that's true or
not but I wouldn't simply dismiss the
possibility. Everyone is supposed to get a break.
The retail sales base is larger than the income
tax base.
(pdf) http://urltea.com/1a80
http://urltea.com/1a85
\_ I specifically addressed your objection, my
reasoning is that the tax has to be
revenue neutral. So the money is going
to have to come from somewhere, and
the graphs show lower taxes across the
board. While that may happen in time
(that is hard to know), at the outset
the tax burden has to be equal. Now,
you may have a point about the tax base
being larger, but I do not see why that
should be, given that a large consumption
tax would act to limit consumption and
reduce the tax collected. --PeterM
\_ Everyone would also "have a bigger
paycheck" which encourages consumption.
Partially there will also be a shift
in costs to the business, allowing
them lower prices than otherwise.
them lower prices than otherwise (both
because they don't pay corporate tax,
and because they no longer have to
deal with paycheck taxes for their
employees).
Adminstrative costs: lower by $100s blns.
The tax base expands because you capture
everyone who buys anything, with whatever
money, not just labor income (e.g. it
taxes existing wealth and capital gains
ultimately at a much higher rate than
today).
Another problem is in the current
system, many lower income households
pay more "payroll tax" than income
tax. So replacing that with a sales
tax shifts the burden off them to
higher income brackets.
Plus the rebate is given even to
retired people who have no income.
Additionally the current system
involves tons of complex writeoffs.
That reduces the income base.
\_ You make an interesting case
for "FairTax". With 50 states, this
could be prototyped by having 1 state
shift from an income tax to a sales
tax to see what happens. A lab
experiment, in effect. Or you could
do comparisons with countries which
use a tax system similar to proposed.
(or between states...)
Last, we could phase in a fed. sales
tax by 10% per year, and phase out
income taxes at the same rate,
resulting in a 10-year changeover,
during the middle of which we could
turn in back if we didn't like it.
The income tax could be greatly
simplified along the way, 'cause it
would matter less and less. I
realize states are not analogous
and that burden on business will
increase, but as people have said,
businesses already collect sales
taxes. --PeterM
\- well since you named me specifically, i'll make a short
comment. my view is "even vaguer" than "it's regressive".
my answer is "the world is complicated and people who say
it can be magically simplified are either 1. clueless about
the complexity or 2. up to something". if you want to
\_ .ch has a very simple tax system (compared to the us).
I hope you aren't suggesting the us system is
'complex for a good reason.' -- ilyas
discuss in greater length, wall something when i am
around. in this case, for the commentators, i think the
are mostly in category #2 because they say such stupid
things like "we can get rid of the irs" [and dont mention
replacing it with state level collection and enforcement].
the heart of the tax code is "what is income" ... that's
where most of the instructions go. computing the tax owed
via tax brackets rather than a single division isnt that
big a deal. and corporate taxes [of which i know little]
is also complicated for a reason. some of this is bogus
[like claiming various pieces of IP have low values in
some contexts and high value in other contexts, playing
games with transfer prices etc] but parts of it is legit ...
depreciation, investment etc. --psb
\- this is going out on a limb but i basically think
flat tax proponelegit ...
depreciation, investment etc. --psb
\- this is going out on a limb but i basically think
flat tax proponents come on two flavors:
--weathly people who realize they will get off way easier
--upper middle class people paid via W-2+withholding who
realize this doesnt leave much scope to cheat compared
to their self-employed friends and the lower upper class
people whose employers collude to reduce taxes or can
hire tax lawyers etc
--psb
\_ See, that's a pretty cynical and hostile attitude.
Yet you admitted you don't base this on reasoning about
the actual plan or economics but on "the world is
complicated and The Man is trying to manipulate you".
That doesn't cut it with me.
\- my level of interest in "cutting it" with some
random anonymous person on the motd is pretty low.
i pointed you in the direction of my complaints
which you are free to persue or not, but ignoring
the specifics i list and focusing on "hostility"
or "cutting it" is silly.
\_ Ok so you basically think the plan won't actually
be less complex. Right? That's absurd... the
number of "filers" is reduced 90% or whatever.
Granted that saying "abolish the IRS" is somewhat
disingenuous but the underlying point appears
valid. To most people the IRS would no longer
be an entity they deal with. And the current
tax code has WAY more complexity than simple
"brackets". Hey I thought you were interested
in issues like this, Mr. Economist reader. I
guess I've learned what I wanted to learn.
\- i didnt say the current system is good.
i think the current system has massive
problems. same goes for say school vouchers.
the point again is what makes the current
system complicated is the detemination of
income and the flattax can either avoid this
question [making the the complicated simple]
or if it does address this, then this is the
heart of the proposal ... the problem isnt
tax brackets.
\_ Why not make taxes trivial for the
90% of filers? According to you,
that's an impossible motive for someone
who wants tax reform. Which really says
more about you than the US. -- ilyas
\_ Well clearly there is still some complexity
involved on the business side. But
businesses are already equipped to handle
this. The "fair tax" proposal isn't
based on the principle of flat tax
being more fair than progressive tax. That
is irrelevant IMHO.
As for motives, besides the filing hassle
(at cost in time, money, and privacy) there
is the possibility of increased economic
growth and competitiveness, plus
transparency: wouldn't it be nice to see
the federal tax rate right there at the
store or gas pump, in its entirety, and
see it go up and down instead of the
current incomprehensible mess with many
different tax sources and nobody really
knows who pays what?
\_ Those websites are pretty egregious examples of how to lie
with statistics, but I really don't think you are going to
be convinced no matter what I say, so what does it matter?
\_ I could easily be convinced, which is why I posted.
But I'm learning that a lot of people apparently are
just scared of change or something and intuitively think
it can't work. Isn't the income tax unnecessarily complex
and invasive of privacy? Don't all the analyses agree that
those near the poverty level benefit 100% from this plan?
\- what to do about the poor isnt the problem.
it's what to do about income to the wealthy:
wage incomes, return to capital incomes, complex
time structure of income, income in different
juristictions, state-federal issues, wealth and
property issues, large multiplier effects/higher
sensitivity etc. read e.g. Daivd Cay Johnson.
\_ Why is income the problem if we are talking
about eliminating personal income tax?
\-^income to the wealthy^the wealthy
\_ What is stop the wealthy from taking income here
and just shipping it overseas for all of their
purchases, dodging tax entirely?
\_ The point here is that they will not have a
large incentive to do so because prices will
not be significantly different than they are
now. This is because corporations will not
be paying income tax. For most purposes it
will not be practical to do this kind of
thing. Even if it happened, that would
have to be weighed against evasion practices
in the current system. Additionally, this
system would tax consumption by foreigners
here (e.g. tourists). Not sure how large
that is though.
Note that corporate income taxes affect
a product's lifecycle at every stage of
business; each of these adds cost to the
final product. And dealing with payroll taxes
for employees is an additional cost borne
by every company in a supply chain.
Also note that this represents an inherent
disadvantage for US products in the global
market. Here, they compete against foreign
imports whose parent companies are exempt
from income tax or VAT on exports. Abroad, they
have foreign VAT applied, on top of the
"embedded cost" of US corporate tax. |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47690 Activity:low |
8/21 why doesn't the bush administration name the next
hurricane Hurricane Obama ?
\- What doesnt Congress rename Camp X-ray, Camp Cheney?
\- Why doesnt Congress rename Camp X-ray Camp Cheney?
\_ That's silly. Camp X-Ray already exists. I'm talking about
naming a future event. Completely different things!
\- Cape Canaveral was (temporarily) renamed Cape Kennedy. |
| 2007/8/21-23 [Recreation/Dating, Health/Women] UID:47691 Activity:nil |
8/21 If you like bulked up women humiliating lesser women then
you'll love my group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beef_Bulk_Pork |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Computer/HW] UID:47692 Activity:nil |
8/21 My giant rack is feeling pretty huge this morning.
\_ Are you male or female?
\_ Salma Hayek needs to give birth soon or she's going to
explode: http://urltea.com/1a1w
\_ Hers were big even before pregnancy. |
| 2007/8/21 [Uncategorized] UID:47693 Activity:nil |
8/21 what a night. my ass hurts. |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:47694 Activity:nil |
8/21 What's the best bang/buck wireless router acess point?
I used to use WRT54Gs but their quality seems to have disappeared |
| 2007/8/21-23 [Finance/Investment, Reference/RealEstate] UID:47695 Activity:moderate |
8/21 Still believe there is no housing bubble?
http://www.csua.org/u/jdm
"The entire Central Valley of California(and, in fact, the entire State,
with a very few exceptions) is in the worst real estate downturn in
my 30+ year career.
THERE, I'VE SAID IT!"
\_ And she doesn't have an agenda does she?
\_ If there's anyone who doesn't believe there's a housing bubble,
please post here and sign it so we can laugh at you. -dans
\_ I believe this woman has pretty little credability.
\_ While I agree with you on this point, I still think folks who
believes there is no housing bubble should post their names on
the motd so we can laugh at them. -dans
\_ I never said there was no bubble, I just think this woman
is a moron who is trying to make money off of fear.
\_ I never claimed you did. -dans
\_ I don't recall any sodan ever denying there was a housing
bubble - just ridicule about timing, poor logic, hyperbole,
etc.
\_ What does "housing bubble" mean? What are you predicting
as a result of this supposed housing bubble?
\_ did you have sexual relations with that woman, Ms.
Lewinsky?
\_ Who here said there was no housing bubble? Prices go up, prices
go down. Things change over time. Sometimes they change fast.
This is how the business cycle works. And I still don't understand
why you or anyone else would be hoping and praying or gloating over
a potential fall in housing pricing. All that means is the whole
economy gets dragged down, interest rates rise, etc, and you still
won't be able to buy a house. |
| 2007/8/21-22 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:47696 Activity:moderate |
8/21 Damn this global warming!
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_233143509.html
\_ even drudgereport wasn't disingenuous enough to lead the URL with
"Global warming?"
\_ The point is, everytime there's a new high people talk about
global warming. I'm not citing this as proof against warming.
-op
\_ The plural of anecdote is not data.
\_ Why did you delete my comment? The plural of anecdote is not data.
\_hi aspo.
\_ nope, that wasn't me. -aspo |
| 2007/8/21-27 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47697 Activity:moderate |
8/21 which # are you on?
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/sex/10-sex-cravings-intro
\_ 8 out of those 10 have never happened to me.
I should just kill myself.
\_ I did all of them with my first college g/f. Too bad she dumped
me and moved to the East Coast.
\_ My wife used to do all 10, and now she does 0.
\_ No worries. She would've stopped putting out by now.
\_ I never realized cosmo was so pornographic.
\_ My wife used to do all 10 without me asking, and now she does 0.
\_ That's because women don't really like sex. BTW, that
article seemed like it was written for 16 year olds, which it
probably was.
\_ That's because you're doing it wrong.
\_ Yes, blame the victims.
\_ The bad thing is that even though she doesn't seem to enjoy
sex anymore, she keeps on seducing me once a while. But
after she gets me started and she takes off her pants, she
just lies still and not doing anything or showing any
emotion, and just waits for me to finish the whole thing.
Every way and everywhere I caress her or kiss her that used
to drive her wild, is only an annoyance to her and makes her
irritated. The only thing she lets me do is to enter,
finish, and leave. I mean, if she's not interested in sex,
why try to make me hot and then give me a cold treatment?
Why doesn'tan't she leave me alone? This is now getting to a
point that when she tries to seduce me, I simply ask her to
stop. -- PP
Every way and every place I caress her or kiss her that used
to drive her wild before, is only an annoyance to her and
makes her irritated. The only thing she lets me do is to
enter, finish, and leave. I mean, if she's not interested in
sex, why try to make me hot and then give me a cold
treatment? Why doesn't she leave me alone? This is now
getting to a point that when she tries to seduce me, I simply
ask her to stop. -- PP
\_ You are making me sad.
\_ She's a woman. Sounds par for the course. At least you
are getting some for now. Expect that to end, too.
\_ Hey, this might come as a shocking concept to you but have
you actually, ya know... *talked with her* about this? If
you're not a troll then, well, wow, it seems so obvious
that you need to be talking to your wife, not the motd.
\_ I'm not the PP, but talking doesn't lead anywhere.
Are you married? If you go to a therapist what will
happen is that everyone will feel good for a while,
nothing will change, and you pay for the therapists'
kids to go to college.
\_ You think talking == therapy? I sense communication
problems...
\_ Talking is a form of therapy. The whole point
of therapy is to get people to talk.
\_ No and no. Please feel free to stop talking
now.
\_ Yes and yes. Likewise.
\_ Where did I say go to therapy? I said he should
talk to his wife. You know, the woman he married,
his partner for life? Yes, I'm married, and when
either of us is unhappy we talk about it and it
changes, whatever "it" is. If he's not going to
talk to his wife and he can't mind read then why
get married? Your wife should be someone you can
talk to. If not, you married poorly.
\_ Sure, I can talk to my wife. That doesn't
mean anything will change. It's like your
wife talking to you about your porn habit or
leaving your socks on the floor or whatever.
Something might change, but don't count on it
long-term. "Honey, you need to put out more
often." "Okay, dear." Yeah, talking is really
helpful. You sound like one of those idiots
who thinks that talking actually solves
problems like depression, violent tendencies,
and other problems. Like a wife is going to
talk to her husband about how he drinks too
much and hits her. That usually works out
real well. This (poor sex life) is similar.
It's not asking your wife to please make sure
she adds ricotta to the spaghetti next time.
Talk is cheap and gets nowhere. A therapist
\_ Talk at someone is cheap. Talking
to someone is not. I suspect you
do a lot of the first and very little
of the latter.
\_ I think he's a troll. We're
wasting precious bits even trying
to 'help' this person.
is a little better, because it's good to hear
it from someone else. Overall, don't expect
talking to solve anything. My experience is
that talking is a good First Step and that
there is no Second Step other than divorce.
\_ Gosh, you're right. My happy marriage where
we talk a lot is clearly a really crappy way
to do things. Much better to be bitter and
just not say anything and just call your
divorce lawyer. I can really see how a guy
beating his wife is very similar to your wife
being hot and cold. Ok, no, I can't, but
since you can, that right there is saying a
lot about you. You're either a troll (90%)
or really really really socially inept and
never should have married (10%). Since you
posted your silly whining to the motd and
then attacked the most obvious first step
as being stupid, either way, I'm sure you're
not at all interested in saving your marriage,
assuming you even are married.
\_ They are similar in that they are
fundamental dysfunctions that are very
difficult to solve even with drugs
and/or years of therapy. A conversation
over a cup of coffee (or even a series
of heartfelt letters written over
years) may not solve such a problem.
BTW, you guys should realize there are
several people in this thread. I am not
the guy whose wife is not putting out.
\_ They are in no way similar. If your
wife is not putting out you may have
bad breath and she's afraid to tell
you. If you're beating your wife,
then you're a bastard and she shouldn't
have to tell you not to.
\_ Yes, they are similar. It's a
form of abuse. We're not talking
about bad breath here. It's
closer to alcoholism and similar
disorders as far as it being
difficult to control. Do you
think talking to your spouse
about alcoholism will solve that
problem? Perhaps, but not for
most people - and we're not just
talking chemical dependency here.
If it was as simple as talking to
one's wife then it wouldn't be a
widespread problem like it is.
\_ So now your wife being hot n cold
means you're a victim of her
abuse? The same scale as if she
was beating you or had a chemical
dependency? You're trolling or
stupid or both. Go ahead and add
some last bit of idiocy in
response if you'd like before
someone deletes all this crap.
I'm done being trolled. Come
back later when you're actually
married and have something you'd
like to talk about, kiddo.
\_ You think this guy's wife
isn't abusing him? Reread
his plight again. It's
abuse of the form that's
bad enough to get divorced
over. By the way, I've been
with my woman for 15 years
because she makes me sandwiches.
How about you? Sounds to me
like you just lucked into a
sweet situation. Have you
ever had a problem beyond
your wife putting too much
jelly on your PB&J?
\_ No that isn't abuse. Their
problem could be something
as simple as brushing his
teeth better. Look at her
actions: she comes on to
him, then turns off when
they get close. Better
brushing and bathing will
probably fix his problem
asssuming he's for real,
which I doubt. As for me
it has been 15 years also
and yes she's great and I
went through a number of
losers before finding her
but talking is necessary
to keep things good by
avoiding some minor thing
turning into something big
for no reason. I fail to
see why talking to your
own wife about something
could be considered bad or
useless in any way. And
for the record, my wife knows
I hate PB and there's no
such thing as too much J. :-)
i am extremely clean.
\_ I am also clean. -emarkp
\_ [please don't edit my
posts, thanks. if you
were really that funny
then you could be funny
without changing what
someone else has said]
\_ It's certainly not bad
to talk to your wife.
In fact, I'd say it
is mandatory. However,
thinking it will solve
anything is where you go
wrong. So, yes, in
that sense it is
useless. Necessary,
but useless.
\_ So you talk just to
pretend you care?
\_ Umm, none of these are particularly out there. |
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8/21 Would someone please post the IMAP and SMTP setting for soda email
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8/21 Buy Ben & Jerry's Stephen Colbert AmeriCone Dream flavor!
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8/21 The current motd is trollific. -dans |
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