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2007/8/6-22 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:47538 Activity:nil
8/5     How the HB1B Visa program really works:
        http://www.youtube.com/user/programmersguild
        \_ "H-1B"
        \_ Common knowledge. So what are you gonna do?
        \_ Is this a hoax?
           \_ http://www.cohenlaw.com/attorneys-81.html
        \_ If all these were true, why would an exployer go through all these
           trouble and the associated expenses (attorney fees, HR expense, time
           for managers to inverview those "very qualifed" candidates) just to
           hire an H-1B worker?  What's the upside for the employer?
           hire an H-1B worker?  What's the upside for the employer?  (Unless
           those employers are all trying to hire their friends and relatives.)
           \_ (a) the H-1B is usually pretty qualified for the job
              (b) it's difficult for the H-1B to leave - you obviously have not
              seen firsthand the desperation of an H-1B trying to push the
              green card process forward with their employer
              (c) better leverage over the H-1B because of (b)
              \_ Regarding (b), on the contrary I was under the H-1B visa
                 myself a decade ago.  --- PP
2007/8/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:47539 Activity:nil
8/6     motd doctors, please
2007/8/6 [Recreation/Humor] UID:47540 Activity:moderate
8/6     motd doctors, please help.  When I get 'backed up', I end
        up passing a giant act of congress in the bathroom, and... bear
        with me here, I don't know the names for the parts down there, but
        the exposed portion of my anus, sort of the 'lips', get really
        swollen and it feels funny down there.  so funny that I get
        really sexually excited all day and i need to masturbate
        at least 9 times per day.  what can i do?  what should I tell
        my docter?  what is the name of the swollen portion?  thanks.
2007/8/6-22 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:47541 Activity:nil
8/6     Another entry for the "no duh" department:
        "WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US government cannot account for more than half
        of all small arms given to Iraqis in the hope of bolstering their
        security forces, raising fears the weapons may have found their way to
        insurgent groups, according to a new congressional probe."
2007/8/6-22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:47542 Activity:nil
8/6     http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wilburjr&search=Search
        Lies lies lies.
        \_ I can't view youtube from work.  What is this?
           \_ boring.
2007/8/6-22 [Uncategorized] UID:47543 Activity:nil
8/6     Anyone go to DefCon this year in Vegas?
        \_ bleh, went to Blizzcon instead.  FOR THE HORDE!
        \_ I know a guy who went to the Classic Gaming Expo.
2007/8/6-22 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:47544 Activity:nil
8/6     happy hiroshima day!
        \_ HERE COMES THE BOOM
        \_ they so deserve it.
2007/8/6 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47545 Activity:kinda low 88%like:47550
8/6     Karl Rove + iPhone
        http://www.time.com/time/politics/whitehouse/photos/0,27424,1650240,00.html
        \_ Perhaps the Bush administration would like to know what most people
           working at Apple (inluding their top executives) really think of the
           Bush administration. Even Steve Jobs told his employees to vote
           Democrat during a company-wide conference.
           \_ Just because Steve told them to doesn't mean they did.  Voting
              is still anonymous in this country.
2007/8/6-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47546 Activity:low
8/6     What happened to /csua/bin?
        \_ NUKED!
2007/8/6-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:47547 Activity:nil
8/6     wtf?
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_Death
        \_ Every so often I'm reminded why I keep reading the motd.  Thank you
           Motd.
        \_ Figures. It's not unexpected from the South Koreans.
        \_ I heard this a number of times in Korea, I've even heard a number
           of the explaniations given in the article. -jrleek
2007/8/6-9 [Finance/Banking] UID:47548 Activity:nil
8/6     The Loan Comes Due
        http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/weekinreview/05norris.html
        \_ I laugh long and heartily at everyone affected by this.
           In other news, HRC proposes $1B in federal aid.
           http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/07/ap3995204.html
           Personal responsibility? What's that?
2007/8/6-7 [Uncategorized] UID:47549 Activity:nil
8/6     fine.  my colon loses.
        I'll war with you tomorrow.
2007/8/6-8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47550 Activity:very high 88%like:47545
8/6     Karl Rove + iPhone
        http://urltea.com/15ng (time.com)
        \_ Perhaps the Bush administration would like to know what most people
           working at Apple (inluding their top executives) really think of the
           Bush administration. Even Steve Jobs told his employees to vote
           Democrat during a company-wide conference.
           \_ Just because Steve told them to doesn't mean they did.  Voting
              is still anonymous in this country.
           \_ So what? Technology crosses political lines. Rush Limbaugh is
              a huge apple fan boi who has been pitching apple gear for years.
              \_ I could say the same thing about the flip side.
                 Republicans are always quick to point out that the
                 military is comprised primarily of Republicans and,
                 therefore, Republicans are entitled the protection
                 of the armed forces and not Democrats (e.g. Bill-O
                 soliciting terrorists to attack "liberal" SF and
                 military should not defend it). Of course, this is
                 entirely ludicrous because if you looked at policies
                 which Republicans like to promote so much, you would
                 actually think that Republicans hate our military.

                 The point I was originally trying to make was this:
                 Republicans like to portray Democrats (you know,
                 like the vast majority who work at Apple) as these
                 crazy, evil, godless, tree-hugging, pot-smoking,
                 terrorists-loving, anti-military, communist bums
                 who smell like garbage when, in reality, they're
                 just a bunch of smart and talented engineers and
                 entrepreneurs who believe in the free market and
                 love making cool products like the iPhone. Karl
                 Rove is using a product made by the same people
                 he ridicules so much.
                 \_ Oh. Well, I totally agree w/ that.
                 \_ So, can you post a link where Karl Rove makes fun of
                    Apple?  'Cause, I think you're just a paranoid nutcase.
                    \_ Sticks and stones. Paranoid nutcases believe that
                       if we don't attack them there (Iraq), they'll come swim
                       over and attack us here. I don't need to post a link.
                       You can google this all you want. "liberals saw the
                       savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare
                       indictments and offer therapy and understanding for
                       our attackers." Rove doesn't directly attack
                       Apple and I never said he did. But he does attack
                       the people who comprise the majority of the company.
                       \_ Who says the majority of Apple employees are
                          Democrats?
                       \_ So, you think it's ok to be a paranoid nutcase
                          because Karl Rove is?  There's an odd justification.
                          \_ Take Reading Comprehension 101.
                             \_ Nice try, I'd say you need a writing class,
                                but but you need coherent thought more.
                                Your posts jump between multiple unconnected
                                topics and are full of bizarre over-
                                generalizations.  They basically make no sense.
                                It's just plain old raving.  Sorry.
                                \_ You can't even point out when I said it
                                   was okay to be a paranoid nutcase.
                                   \_ You're right, I just kind of assumed
                                      you thought it was ok, since you do it
                                      so well.
                 \_ Exec Summary: Republicans = evil, stupid, cranky, smearing,
                    hypocritical baby killers.  Democrats = good, kind, smart,
                    all-knowing, loving, generous, tolerant victims of moronic
                    Republican abuse.  All Apple Engineers = Democrats.  Did I
                    miss anything in your bizarre rant?
                    \_ Did I say any of that? Boy, you must not know how to
                       read. Or do you only hear what you want to hear?
                       \_ It's standard motd noise, yes, you did.  That is the
                          correct executive summary.  So answer me this: do
                          you disagree with any of those statements?  Which
                          ones, if any?
                          \_ Yes, I disagree with all of them. You put words
                             into other people mouths. I never said Republicans
                             were all of those things. There are some who are
                             but I never made that generalization. And there
                             are Demorcrats who are those things. And no,
                             being an Apple employee doesn't make you a Dem.
                             But from my personal experience (I'm no Gallup
                             Poll but I know way more Apple employees than
                             you do) most of them are Dems. So once again,
                             you're wrong. I never said any of those things
                             you claim I did.
           \_ Is that good thing?  A boss telling his employees how to vote
              is jaw-droppingly inappropriate.  If that's true I'm never buying
              apple again.
              \_ I've heard bosses (but not the CEO) tell people how they
                 should or shouldn't vote frequently. I'm guessing its
                 pretty common.
              \_ No it's not.  They're adults, they're not being coerced, and,
                 the whole premise of Democracy is that people can think for
                 themselves. -dans
                 \_ I didn't say the couldn't, or even that there's some way
                    for Jobs to verfiy what they did.  It's still wrong to
                    order people how to vote.  It's an attempt at misuse of
                    power.  Attempted murder is a crime, and so is attempted
                    corruption.  It's fine if he says "I'm voting for Ds,
                    and I think everyone should." "You must vote D" is not ok.
                    I'm sure if he said "You must vote R" you'd see why it's a
                     problem.
                     \_ He didn't order people to vote D. An employee had a
                        concern about how the unstable state of the world
                        was negatively impacting the Apple and Silicon
                        Valley environment and he responded by recommending
                        that (s)he vote D.
                        \_ Well, that's different then, isn't it?
                        \_ Apple needs some smarter employees.  The world is
                           always in an 'unstable state'.  Or at least some
                           more employees who have read some history.
        \_ Troll was here
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