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| 2007/7/24-26 [Uncategorized] UID:47398 Activity:nil |
7/24 Patton lives!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ
\_ At first I thought this was a parody, then realized the guy
is serious. In addition, most of the responses are positive
written by a bunch of closet NeoCons. Interesting. |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47399 Activity:nil |
7/24 Clinton: 35%. Obama: 25%. Gore: 15%.
Is Gore the new Nader? Damnit.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/money/gop.html
\_ Gore isn't on that page, or the dem one either...
\_ It's hard to get good numbers when you aren't even running.
\_ Huh? These are the primary elections you are talking about right?
What are you afraid of, that Gore will get enough votes that Clinton
wins the nomination?
\_ Sheesh, it's a poll. When people actually *vote* they are not going
to write in Gore in large numbers. Just a few kooks. |
| 2007/7/24-28 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:47400 Activity:low |
7/24 We could have won the war in Iraq if $PRESIDENTIAL_ELECTION_WINNER_2009
had the guts to see the war through to its conclusion.
\_ Remember, no one will vote for Hillary or a Scary Black Man, so the
Republicans already have the election sewed up!
\_ I'd vote for Obama even though I don't agree with a lot of his
policies simply because he doesn't come across as a lying
power mad criminal scumbag with a multi-decade record of lying,
fraud, theft, and abuse.
\_ Maybe he just hides it well. Care to describe HRC's
fraud/theft/abuse? Every politician lies. I bet you also
lie.
\_ I think he's too young to have committed any major
crimes already.
\_ At this point you seriously want me to make a list of HRCs
frauds and abuses? You're completely unaware of them, huh?
You were born and raised in some foreign land?
\_ Well you could just put one or two of the most important
instances, as you see it. Because no, I'm not aware of
it. I have better things to do than follow the life of
this woman so closely. Are you referring to the
whitewater shit?
\_ Frankly, outside of freeper and Ditto Head circles,
I don't think anyone is aware of these allegations.
The American public sure isn't.
\_ So you believe that they haven't been aired or
that only people on the right are politically
aware enough to know what is going on? Certainly
a great number of her 'events' got MSM air time
so you must think only the right wing knows what
is going on. Weird.
\_ And yet, you still post no substance. |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:47401 Activity:low |
7/24 The polls are in. Edwards tried his best and did ok, but in the
end he has no chance. It's either a woman or a black man. Which
one would you choose and why? (YouNeedToVoteToSeeResults)
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/youtube.debate
\_ His being a slimeball personal injury lawyer may have something to
do with that.
\_ I think he did some good work. Do you really want all
of your children's intestines sucked out by a pool?
\_ Do /you/ want him channeling children to get a sympathetic
jury to trump good science in CP cases?
\_ And this is better or worse than Frist channeling a
brain dead woman for political grandstanding?
\_ False dichotomy. They could be equally bad. I don't
recall him channelling her though.
\_ Hmmm, the criminal or the racist, what a choice!
\_ Just like a cracker to think that all black men are criminals.
\_ I think you're joking, but just to clarify, Hillary is the
criminal.
\_ Yawn. Baseless accusations are so boring. Perhaps you can
organize a website to collect both your tinfoil hat and
your "proof"?
\_ Funny, I considered the "Obama is racist" claim to be
more controversial...
\_ Didn't Hillary kill Vince Foster?
\_ Just to watch him die.
\_ With her bare hands. In front of a busload of nuns.
\_ Bro's before ho's
\_ Thank you Butler.
\_ It's a poll about a 'debate' on youtube. There is no 'there' there. |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Uncategorized] UID:47402 Activity:nil |
7/24 Historically speaking, what is the chance of one candidate
becoming another candidate's running mate?
\_ It has been quite common in the past, but each situation is
individual. -tom |
| 2007/7/24-28 [Transportation/Car] UID:47403 Activity:low |
7/24 Looking to buy a new car. I'm going to buy a luxury car this time
to replace my 10 year old Toyota Camry. Thinking of spending around
40-50K. I'm looking at Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, and Acura. I know the
reliability and quality of Lexus and Acura cars, but I don't have much
info on Mercedes or BMW. Have their quality improved in the past
10 years? I keep hearing about problems with the lower end MB or
BMW cars like the C class or the 3 series. What about the MB E series
or the BMW 5 series? Also I've been reading the discussion forum
messages on Lexus RX and GS series. A lot of people have problems
with rattle noises or other small problems. How much should one
believe those stories? Can one dismiss those messages as coming from
vocal minorities? I really liked the GS series but some of the
messages I read are worrisome. Thanks.
\_ Get a Lexus SC430. Why? Because if you're looking for a luxury
car and have had your oh-so-boring family car for a while,
chances are, you've been married for a while, had kid(s), and
stopped having sex. You're looking for a luxury car to spice up
your life, ya? Get a SC430, you're guaranteed to get attention
from mature women (late 20s) and upwards.
\_ They should all be ok. I think safety, handling, looks, resale
value all outweigh reliability concerns with these cars. I would
expect MB to have more problems related to electronic doodads
(based on hearsay).
\_ Fuck Lexus. get this
http://www.dovebid.com/assets/display.asp?ItemID=xjd3207
\_ Which luxury car model has the best gas mileage?
\_ I have a 2006 Lexus IS350 and a 2000 BMW 3 series. The Lexus needed
a new transmission after just 3 months of driving. It had 2800 miles
on it. It's a nice car that gets good mileage, but it's
worrisome to have such a major problem so soon. The BMW hasn't
had such a major problem, but it has had a litany of small
problems like window regulators. I have put 100K miles on it.
Stay away from Audi and MB. That leaves Acura. Only problem with
Acura is that it's a rather boring car. Is this a car you are going
to keep another 10 years or a car you will get rid of once the
warranty expires?
\_ Just stay away from MB. I know a foreman who runs a dealership
repair shop and according to him, they're crap. They have too
many electrical problems.
\_ They were the best cars made 15-20 years ago, but not anymore.
My mother-in-law has an S-class and my sister's bf has a CLS
and they constantly have problems. Latest is that the air
conditioning stopped working. In a 2004 car! It was fixed
under warranty, but what a PITA. What happens when the
warranty runs out?!
\_ Then you pay $2k to fix it just like any other car.
\_ Hah! Dude, you pay $2K to fix something small and like
$6K to fix a real problem - and there are going to be
more of them than for the average car. I once took my
Accord in and had everything done to it - water pump,
radiator, CV boot, plugs, brakes, timing belt, etc. It
cost $1K. For a BMW you will spend $450 just to fix a
window regulator. I am sure Mercedes is the same. A
typical car is not $1-2K every time you bring it in,
but a BMW or Mercedes sure is.
\_ In the last few years, MB has been battling it out with Volkswagen
for the very lowest spot in the Consumer Reports Reliabilty survey.
BMW is better. My 2000 MB E320 has been uber reliable (now at
84,000 miles) but I treat my cars very gently. Note that 2000 was
the one of the last years MB had good reliability. Both BMW and
Lexus are going to get clobbered by Acura and Lexus in reliability.
BMW has the "iDrive" system which is universally loathed.
\_ Have you looked at Infinity G and M series? |
| 2007/7/24-28 [Health] UID:47404 Activity:moderate |
7/24 Wow, universal healthcare is expensive
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010374
\_ It comes to $3000/yr per resident. That's actually less than
my health insurance, which is $4200/yr. I think they should
build in more incentive to wellness on the part of Wisconsin
residents.
\_ Where did you get the $3000/yr value? And what do I care about
"per resident" when it should be "per taxpayer"?
From the article:
The plan would cost an estimated $15.2 billion, or $3 billion
more than the state currently collects in all income, sales and
corporate income taxes. It represents an average of $510 a month
in higher taxes for every Wisconsin worker.
\_ $15.2 billion/population of Wisconsin. It's actually $2700 or
so but I rounded up. My health insurance costs $450 when
all is said and done, so if I were in Wisconsin, it'd be an
extra $100/month for me for there to be universal health
insurance. (I rounded up again.) Workers here with families
pay $900/month for health insurance (most covered by employer).
\_ Of course, government estimates are never wrong.
\_ You'd be paying your $4K + the $3K.
\_ Maybe, maybe not. You might be able to get the money
back from your employer, since his cost will be lower.
\_ And why should people without families pay for those who
have them?
\_ It actually promotes my health not to be surrounded
by sick people.
\_ So paying for someone else's kid's broken leg from
soccer practice makes you healthier? Okey dokey.
\_ No, but paying to control TB for example and for
immunizations in general does.
\_ You are picking and choosing though. Paying
for 'universal healthcare' means you may be
paying for immunizations, but you are also
paying for a crapload of other things, many
of them misused _because_ they are perceived
as 'free.' -- ilyas
\_ And it may well not be doing any good. -- ilyas
\_ And employer provided health insurance
isn't perceived as "free"?
\_ My point wasn't to argue in favor of the
current form of healthcare over
'universal healthcare' but to try to
shift the debate more towards looking
shift the debate more towards looking at
whether healthcare actually helps people
be healthy. -- ilyas
\- a study just came out comparing
newly eligible medicare patients
showing people who went from no
coverage to covered needed more
"work done" than people with
continuous coverage.
\_ I am not surprised that healthcare
would be of benefit to that segment
of the population. This isn't the
same as 'overall effects' on the
whole population, of course.
-- ilyas
\_ Send me a link, please. -- ilyas
\_ there are plenty of people without
healthcare in the U.S.; do you think
they're likely to be healthier than
those with healthcare? I can't
believe I bothered to reply to that
absurdity. -tom
\_ Feel free to actually read the
study I linked (twice now I think)
rather than acting like an ass.
The claim is that while healthcare
has a positive effect (obviously),
this effect is mostly negated by
negative effects (with some
exceptions, for instance optometry
is generally clearly beneficial).
My untutored intuition would say
that healthcare would have a
positive effect, but a very
inefficient one given the amount
of spending. That there might be
no effect is something I think is
pretty scandalous. -- ilyas
\_ I am LEWIS@SODA. I am offering
to teach you about Partial
Derivatives, if you would like
to learn about these wonderous
things.
\_ I think I understand what
an effect is and what it
isn't pretty well. -- ilyas
pretty scandalous. Your example
isn't as obvious as you might
think -- are you controlling
for race, wealth, etc? What should
you control for? What shouldn't
you control for? -- ilyas
\_ I'm going to control for
ilyas being a moron by
stepping out of this
conversation. -tom
\_ So, ausman, to go back to our
earlier discussion: this is
apparently the best place
on the internet you could
find for general discussion?
I brought up this study
repeatedly, because I think
its conclusions are
somewhat counterintuitive
(they certainly are to me).
But the extent of discussion
so far has been either to
ignore it or ridicule it.
Compare to how this study
was discussed on
overcomingbias, for example.
-- ilyas
ignore it or ridicule me for
bringing it up. Compare to
how this study was discussed
on overcomingbias, for
example. -- ilyas |
| 2007/7/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47405 Activity:nil |
7/24 Hillary prefers "Progressive". Hmm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era
Progressives ... tended to assume that opponents were motivated by
ignorance or corruption
\_ what is wrong about the above statement?
\_ "In the United States, the Progressive Era was a period of reform
which lasted from the 1890s through the 1920s."
Hell, if you're going to go that far back, why not call Giuliani
a Whig?
\_ Hillary specifically referred to Progressive as an early 20th
century movement.
\_ Would it kill you to type out the quote?
\_ "I prefer the word "progressive," which has a real American
meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning
of the 20th century."
http://csua.org/u/j7m
\_ Thank you! Wow, now I'm actually excited to vote for
her.
\_ Huh? Why?
\_ Reform or bust, baby!
\_ Oho, you sneaky out-of-context quoter! From the next
line of the article:
"I consider myself a modern progressive, someone who
believes strongly in individual rights and freedoms,
who believes that we are better as a society when we'
re working together and when we find ways to help
those who may not have all the advantages in life get
the tools they need to lead a more productive life for
themselves and their families. So I consider myself a
proud modern American progressive, and I think that's
the kind of philosophy and practice that we need to
bring back to American politics."
Yup, looks good to me.
\_ You sneaky out-of-context replier! Does she disclaim
any of the principles? No, she specifically included
the early 20th century and she agrees with the
principles of that movement. And my reply was to the
person criticizing my reference to the early 20th
century movement.
\_ So, the word "modern" in no way modifies the
views espoused in the early 20th century?
\_ I didn't say it "in no way modifies" anything.
\_ Soooo, if one of the principles of the
early 20th century Progressives was
that all of their opponents were corrupt or
ignorant, which they generally were, is it
reasonable that a modern Progressive, faced
with a different political climate, might
not view her opposition with such contempt?
\_ That is one of the aspects of early
Progressives which I see as relatively
the same as modern liberals (or modern
Progressives).
\_ BushCo invites oil execs to a secret
meeting to determine America's energy
policy, and you don't see corruption?
If there's contempt for a corrupt GOP,
it's hard to pretend the GOP hasn't
earned it. |
| 2007/7/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47406 Activity:nil |
7/24 So why did the "liberal" media obsess over Edward's $400 haircut
and never mention Romney's $300 visit to the salon?
http://johnedwards.com/watch/hair
\_ Because Edwards has way more fru fru hair and ultimately the news
is about selling ads, the political agenda is second.
\_ Because no one in their right mind could believe that Romney's
dumb enough to pay good money to look like that.
\_ You can't see how Edwards is being called out for being a hypocrite
since his entire campaign is the "Two Americas" theme while Romney
has never made that sort of statement? No one likes a hypocrite.
The people in the "poor half" of Edwards America sure as hell can't
afford his $400 haircut. |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Uncategorized] UID:47407 Activity:nil |
7/24 Myth Busted, or True? The more/earlier I shave a part of my body,
the thicker hair that area will grow?
\_ Busted, it just seems that way because when the hair first grows
it seems think. |
| 2007/7/24 [Uncategorized] UID:47408 Activity:nil |
7/24 ICE ROAD TRUCKERS
\_ Yes? |
| 2007/7/24-28 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:47409 Activity:nil |
7/24 2/3rds of US anti-AIDS program funding in Africa allocated to
ineffective abstinence-only programs
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=how_bushs_aids_program_is_failing_africans
\_ That's because they're not believers. Time to send more
missionaries.
\_ at least they died pure
\_ Umm.. obviously not...
\_ The best thing the West can do for Africa is stop using it as a
giant social experiment and dumping ground for unsellable goods.
\_ So we just stop selling them condoms and let them all die?
\_ The second part of your sentence does not follow from the
first part. |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:47410 Activity:nil |
7/24 Every politician lies, therefore you should vote for the candidate
whose policies mostly closely resemble those of George W. Bush.
\_ Farewell to Bizarro World. You is our best friend. |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Uncategorized] UID:47411 Activity:nil |
7/24 WEEKLY WORLD NEWS to publish last issue in Aug.
\_ I love Ed Anger |
| 2007/7/24 [Uncategorized] UID:47412 Activity:nil |
7/24 Is Yahoo having troubles today with web-based services such as
mail and address books? |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:47413 Activity:low |
7/24 It might blow up, but it won't go pop
It might blow up, but it won't go pop
IT MIGHT BLOW UP, BUT IT WON'T GO - *BANG*
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-countrywide25jul25,0,5439657.story?coll=la-home-center
\_ Whoa, time to panic, Countrywide only had $485 million in profit!
Run for the hills!
\_ So, your response is "La, la, la, la! I can't hear you!" ?
\_ What response should there be to half a billion dollars in
profit for a mortgage company? -tom
\_ Ummm, I think "the husing market is so screwed it's messing
up even secure finance" is important. You don't?
\_ How is a $485 million profit "messed up"? -tom
\_ Profit is evil. We must all share the good and the
bad as a society. Think of the children, you brute!
\_ The 66% drop in earnings isn't a big deal?
\_ No, not really. The industry clearly has
slowed down, which was anticipated by everyone,
including Countrywide. They're still making
gobs of money. They might make smaller gobs
of money in the future. They might even lose
some money. So what? This is a company with
an $18B market cap and $200B in assets. They
are not going away due to a few mortgage
defaults. -tom
\_ link:www.mercurynews.com/ci_6452404
Foreclosurse notices at 11-year high in CA
\_ yes, and? It's a cyclical industry on
a down cycle. -tom |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Science/GlobalWarming, Science/Electric, Science/Battery] UID:47414 Activity:nil |
7/24 Power outage in downtown SF. Lots of websites down.
\_ Unable to surf, SF's civilization is down! CODE RED!!! Terrorism!
\_ They got LJ, and now a million emo kids have nowhere to slit
their wrists.
\_ http://valleywag.com/tech/breakdowns/a-drunk-employee-kills-all-of-the-websites-you-care-about-282021.php
\_ My old roommate drinks a lot and works there... hmmmmmm and is not online
\_ FWIW I think the drunk employee story is a sham, but who knows.
Just seems too much of a coincidence - drunk employee and major
city power outage on same day?
\_ D you know if affected Yahoo's webmail/addressbook/calendar services? |
| 2007/7/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:47415 Activity:low |
7/24 TSA warns about "Terrorist Dry runs" involving suspicious cheese:
http://www.csua.org/u/j7o
\_ Uh oh, time to watch FoxNews and vote Republican for safety!
\_ "And in November, a passenger in Houston, Texas, checked luggage
that contained a plastic bag with a 9-volt battery, wires, a
block of brown clay-like minerals and pipes."
So are you saying this is made up?
\_ You are being cited for violation of the "MOTD! NO FACTS!"
policy. Next time the fine will go up dramatically and on
the third offence of bringing FACTS! to the motd you shall be
terminated with extreme efficiency.
\_ Are you saying the cheese incidents didn't happen? Are you
some kind of cheese-eating surrender monkey?
\_ I'm saying you better stop posting facts to the motd
before you get squished. |
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