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| 2007/7/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Reference/Religion] UID:47306 Activity:moderate |
7/17 Here's some flamebait for you. Holy freakin shit:
"It's more of a theological perspective. I do believe there is an
Almighty, and I believe a gift of that Almighty to all is freedom. And
I will tell you that is a principle that no one can convince me that
doesn't exist."
--GWB
\_ Ummm, so? The Declaration of Independence says the same thing.
\_ He's saying he makes decisions based only upon religious
considerations. In other words, we're in Iraq because God
told him that was the Right Thing To Do. Read up on the history
of the Crusades and you might see why this is a Very Bad Thing.
\_ The above quote said this?
\_ "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and
then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did,
and now I am determined to solve the problem in the
Middle East."
"Events aren't moved by blind change and chance" ...,
but by "the hand of a just and faithful God."
"I believe God wants me to run for president."
Yes, all actual Bush quotes.
\_ Belief in Providence was common among the Founding
Fathers.
\_ So was Diesm, which discounts religion.
\_ You do the atheists proud, my friend.
\_ Freedom isn't unambiguous. Does the Almighty advocate anarchy?
Communism? Both are freedom in some sense. Freedom from what?
Strictly from a Biblical perspective, it seems pretty clear that
Yahweh likes pious kings with many concubines (an autocratic king,
no wimpy separations of powers or Magna Cartas).
The Bible also recognizes slavery as legitimate...
\_ If the Almighty told Bush to invade Iraq, obviously he does
advocate anarchy. The fact that he talks to Bush at all means
that he is not on our side, since his advice seems to be always
wrong.
\_ Bush: Worshipping Loki since sobriety.
\_ Or else he doesn't exist and Bush imagines God talking to him.
Or else /something/ talks to him, but it turns out it's not
actually God as Bush likes to imagine it. It's the CIA
talking through a receiver in his tooth filling (or else
the Jews, but the Jews run the CIA so it's the same thing).
Or else Bush doesn't even believe it but says it for
political points to the religious constituency. Or else
Bush doesn't exist and Bush is a sniggering automaton.
\_ Sort of like the NASA automatons on the old Mission to Mars
ride? A moment of silence for the M2M ride, please. |
| 2007/7/17 [Uncategorized] UID:47307 Activity:nil 66%like:47309 |
7/17 'None Of The Above' surges into the lead in Republican primary
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr070716-2topline.pdf&id=3578 |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Health/Dental, Health/Disease/General] UID:47308 Activity:moderate |
7/17 Americans actually wait *longer* for health care than in
countries with socialized medicine:
http://www.csua.org/u/j5t
\_ While this may be true, don't forget that Americans get
HIGHER quality health care, like Cialis and Viagras. No
other countries enjoy sexual lives like we do.
\_ This blog is a joke, and so is Krugman. Every study I've seen shows
the opposite to this. Bring a few more and I'll start to care.
-emarkp
\_ Both of them are professors in Economics, but they disagree with
your opinions, so they are "a joke." Hers is a study quoted in
Busness Week, no doubt another "joke"
http://www.csua.org/u/j5u
Where are all these studies you have seen? I have not seen them.
\_ This is the blog which was saying that tax cuts tanked the
economy pointing to the post-2001 drop, while ignoring other
events of 2001 (like say certiain terrorist attacks).
http://www.csua.org/u/j3f
The studies I've seen are about how long it takes to go from a
GP to a specialist in socialized systems. Like how long it
takes to get an MRI.
http://csua.org/u/i1p
Note: also an economist. -emarkp
\_ No, the entry you point to does not claim or even infer
that "tax cuts tanked the economy." How did you even
possibly get that from that entry? What it does claim
is that the post-2001 recovery was very weak. The economy
was already in recession before 9/11, you know that right?
The actual economic effect of the WTC attacks was very
slight, but I guess you can try and claim that it retarded
the recovery somehow, though you are the first person I
have ever seen make that claim.
slight, but I guess you can say that it retarded the
recovery somewhat, though most economists disagree:
recovery somewhat:
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL31617.pdf
\_ Waiting times in Canada are shorter for critical
treatment (oncology) and longer for elective treatment
(plastic surgery, hip replacement).
(plastic surgery, hip replacement). Note that your
article does not compare Canadian waiting time to
US waiting times.
http://www.csua.org/u/j5y
\_ I'd be willing to fund preventative care (e.g. checkups) for
everyone, but nothing beyond that basic. That's basically what
dental plans cover. If you implement universal care then you
will see costs spiral even more out of control like they have
in Europe. There was a time two decades ago when European health
care was better than in the US, but that time passed once they
had to deal with immigration from poor countries in the same
way we have.
\_ Waiting times less in Canada than the US:
http://www.csua.org/u/j5v
Recent statistics from the Institution of Healthcare Improvement
document "that people are waiting an average of about 70
days to see a provider."
"In many circumstances, people initially diagnosed with
cancer are waiting over a month, which is intolerable."
And you know that Germany and France spend *less* per capita
than the US, right?
\_ I don't know about Germany and France, but I do know that
I wouldn't seek out care in Spain or Canada and that
health care in the Netherlands (see below) is not exactly
improving over time. By the way, do you know anyone who
had to wait 70 days to see a doctor? I don't, unless it
was some specific doctor they wanted to see.
\_ I know people who have completely been denied medical
care they needed because they didn't have insurance.
I don't know if that counts as more than 70 days or not...
\_ It shouldn't.
\_ I had a chance to talk to this guy last night
since I had dinner with him and his daughter.
He is waiting on average two months for his
appointments. He is impoverished and has to
depend on SF General for all his care. He has
some kind of kidney problems.
\_ We spend twice as much, per capita, as other countries on
health care, so it's our costs that are spiraling out of
control, not theirs. Universal health care just creates the
largest insurance pool possible, do you also want to make
private insurance illegal (except for basic dental services)?
Whether you pay premiums to your for-profit insurance company
or taxes to the government really doesn't make that much
difference except the government doesn't have a profit motive.
\_ One of the main reasons health care in the United States is
so expensive is we spend the bulk of money over the lifetime
of a human on medical care, in the last 6 months of life. Near
The End, American doctors order heroic tests and procedures
to prolong the life of the patient, often cutting short
those expected 6 months. In those glorious socialist paradises
those expected 6 months. In the glorious socialist paradises
of Europe, near The End, the doctor tells the family, and orders
pain killers to keep the patient comfortable. How would
pain killers to keep the patient comfortable. How
would the United States gradually move closer to the European
model? I have absolutely no idea.
\_ Can you back this up with any data? I'm wondering if
your source is legitimate or just word-of-mouth or
speculation.
\- San Francisco has many sidewalks.
\- Do you have some data to back that up?
\_ I have seen it both ways. American doctors told my aunt to
go home and die while Dutch doctors tried heroic measures
that saved her life. I also have seen Dutch doctors give up
on elderly patients and euthanize them. I think it depends
on the age of the patient. (My aunt was in her 40s at the
time.) Dutch medicine then was much better than in the US,
but my aunts living there now say it is no longer the case
and that benefits have been slashed from what they used to be.
I have aunts in France and Holland, a friend who is a doctor in
Greece, and ex-coworkers in Mexico, Japan, Korea, France,
and Spain, and US health care (with the exception of some
experimental treatments the FDA will not approve) is the
best in the world. It is also not free. Imagine that. The
Socialist Paradises in Europe and Japan are facing an upcoming
nightmare that makes the US Social Security problem seem
\- the people who know what they are
talking about all agree Medicare
is a much bigger financial liabiliy/
problem than Soc Sec.
small in comparison. They just cannot provide the services
they used to when faced with larger, less wealthy populaces
of the sort that the US has been absorbing for a long time.
\_ In what way is the US health care system the best in the
world? Do you have any evidence for that, other than your
assertion? The government pays for about half of all
healthcare in the US, btw, so your comment that it is
not "free" is somewhat misleading. In places like Germany
and France, the government pays for about 3/4 of all
health care costs.
\_ I am surprised nobody is discussing the RAND healthcare study, which
found that on average, medical spending has no effect on health (!):
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/05/rand_health_ins.html
http://www.rand.org/health/projects/hie
If this study is correct, discussions of comparative health care
quality would have to come with some serious qualifiers.
-- ilyas
\- yes, obviously something complicated like this comes
with qualifiers. for example the US's infant mortality
rate is "higher than it should be" because "the US"
tries to save some high-risk newborns, while in certain
(poorer) countries with allegedly lower IM rates, these
DOA cases get listed in a different column. however, that
doesnt change the large scale incentive issues here, e.g.
insurance companies foot dragging ... just like TIH hasnt
solved the cable problem, "the market" wont magically
"solve" the pathologies in insurance [actually it is not
exactly like cable, which is due to concentration, but this
is a problem of moral haz and adv selection also] and
it's not clear what "solve" means, since there are competing
public policy goals here.
\_ It seems that if spending doesn't result in statistically
significant return, AND there's isn't a lot of noise to
figure out why and correct this (or at least clamor for
bigger studies), then return isn't what
the spending is about. Hanson has some conjectures on
the reasons for our common attitudes about healthcare
spending. -- ilyas |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Politics/Domestic] UID:47309 Activity:nil 66%like:47307 |
7/17 'None Of The Above' surges into the lead in Republican primary
link:preview.tinyurl.com/2c3r77 (ipsos-na.com) [PDF]
\_ Just remember "Hillary doesn't have a chance."
\_ When confronted with numbers, retaliate with slogans.
\_ I remember once when Jon Stewart said that some Republican was going
to lose against a yet-unnamed Democratic opponent. "However, once
a Democrat is actually named, they tend to do much worse" |
| 2007/7/17 [Uncategorized] UID:47310 Activity:nil |
7/17 Chorus:
I'm gonna knock you out [HUUUH!!!]
Mama said knock you out [HUUUH!!!]
(REPEAT 4X) |
| 2007/7/17 [Recreation/Food] UID:47311 Activity:nil |
7/17 Boredcast Message from soda!ahm (ttyRd) at 10:23 ...
when i was in preschool, they gave us dixie cups full of cheese
and ham cubes for snack before naptime. i would cram them in the
holes of my sneakers because i couldn't eat them and they'd never
find them there |
| 2007/7/17 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:47312 Activity:nil |
7/13 CSUA Life Roster
1 point each for: key:
significant other (out of county rule applies) G
car (Chevy Novas do count) C
housing (dorms DO NOT count) H
own computer running reasonable multi-tasking OS U
job (selling lemonade on the corner counts, too) J
\_ how about selling Yermom?
There are no unofficial rules. All rules are official, and have been laid
down. Clarifications are available only from the Life God.
The out of county rule is as follows: if you are not in the same county
as that which would give you a point, you do not get the point.
Please note: the out of county rule applies to all points.
Please keep yourselves sorted.
__ _____ _ _ _ _ _____ ____ ____
\ \ / /_ _| \ | | \ | | ____| _ \/ ___|
\ \ /\ / / | || \| | \| | _| | |_) \___ \
\ V V / | || |\ | |\ | |___| _ < ___) |
\_/\_/ |___|_| \_|_| \_|_____|_| \_\____/
Winners at graduation
---------------------
Just as a note, any game that allows people like these to call themselves
"winners"...you get my point.
alawrenc G+C+H+U+J 5 whee...
brianm G+C+H+U+J 5 Yes! I really did graduate!
Philip Brown G+U+J+H+C 5 I win, I win!
\_ and you are?
\_ If you have to ask
you weren't around
before 1992.
\_ post1992 update:
married. But that
happened after,
so I still win :-)
Dan Wallach G+H+J+C+U 5 G/F: Debra Waldorf
\_ creator of the famous salad?
House: 1665 Scenic
Car: Nissan 240SX
Job: Berkeley Systems
Computer: Sparc 1+ clone
-- a total winner when he graduated May 22, 1993 at 9am.
(it should be noted he never got the secret life point)
Doug Young G+C+H+U+J 5 Wow...ooooooh...aaaaaah
G - Getting married Jul 19
C - 1987 Van
H - Which one - I /_OWN_/ two
and am buying a 3rd!
U - Which one? Linux? NT?
J - PeopleSoft ROCKS!
kchang G+C+H+U+J 5 LIFE IS SOOOOO GOOD!
No $, no honey! 9/1/92
\_ kchang should be the CSUA
philosopher.
\_ No $, but still has a
honey! I work hard for
all my 5 points.
\_ I run Linux, NT, and
95, I'm so cool! 128RAM
8gigHD, Zip, ViewSonic
PT800, Millenium II 8MB,
and a lot of warez :)
\_ That doesn't change the
fact that we had to
squish your ass. --root
Julie Lin G+C+H+U+J 5 G: if you have to ask...
C: 97 toyota corolla
H: southside apt
U: colocated FreeBSD box
J: sysadmin
\_in my flakiness I made a
mistake that technically
allows me to have acheived
these things _before_
graduation.
\_ It's _at_ graduation
that counts.
\_this was true\
at and before graduation
psb G+C+H+U+J+S 6 Psb is too cool!
Scott Drellishak G+C+H+U+J 5 Finally got the U...
Nevin Cheung C+U+H+G+J 5 Yeeeess!!! 5/96
Mike Scheel G+C+H+U+J 5 And, I've graduated.
Peter Norby H+J+U+G+C 6 Okay, I've won, Now what?
\_ How is that 6? Anyways,
it's not YOUR car... (-8
randal G+H+J+U+C 5 Beautiful girlfriend whose
still at Cal unfortunatly.
Moving to Seattle to work
at http://Amazon.com. Got a car,
choose not to drive it.
raytrace H+J+U+C+G 5 Life is here or someting.
Am I supposed to be happy now.
ryan C+J+G+U+H 5 Life is good!
\_ Name them. When did you
get the car, and can we have
a ride?
\_ Is she a good ride?
G = (4/??/96) Esa Yu
v C = (5/8/96) '96 Mustang Gt
U = (6/9/94) 486/DX 33 w/ Linux
J = (1/4/96) LBL Sysadmin
H = (6/1/95) 2446 Dana St Apt 1
\_ Secret Point
\_ Yes, I have it!
*Those Who Have Succeeded*
hoser components score comment
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Overachievers
-------------
alanc C+G+H+U+J 5 Wow...amazing how these
things sneak up on you
when you're not looking.
Now comes the tricky part...
graduation.
bwli G+C+H+U+J 5 Hard to believe...
ivy H+J+C+U+C 5
garyg G+C+H+U+J 5 Pure luck
kim G+C+H+U+J 5 Good thing there's no points
for sleep
marco C+H+U+J+G+S 6 Now all I need is time to
*ENJOY* this life...
\_ S? Secret? -- Yah.
\_ Are you ever going to
graduate?
russwong G+C+H+U+J 5
sameer G+C+H+U+J 5
seano H+C+J+G 5 I get extra secret life point
\_ why does seano get
extra life point?
\_ it's a secret
setol G+C+H+U+J 5
shipley C+H+U+J+G 5 Do extra girlfriend
want-a-be's count as extra?
Can you set someone up with
points and take a percentage?
\_ Peter has not noticed that
there is a math deficiency
going on...
\_ Aren't you graduated yet?
\_ Or just dropped out?
uctt G+C+H+U+J 5 spanking new G, C, and H!
WhothefuckamI (if you still care)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
aubie C+H+U+J 4 I have a harem, but no
.sig other. Car's on
perminant loan. apt w/3
person shower&gets use.
PII 233 w/fBSD, BeOS,
Rhapsody. sysadmin fer
"Steve's other company."
WHAT'S THE FUCKING
SECRET LIFE POINT YOU
TWINKISH LIFEGOD?
Normative Person
----------------
aaron J+C+H 3 G out of county. i might go
postal over it so don't push
me.
\_ Didn't you graduate?
ali C+J+J+J+H 3 Ass kicking machines given
to you by asskicking employers
count, right?
amee J+H+G+U 4 Someone teach me to drive
stick shift cars, please?
aspolito U+H+C+J 4
atom H+C+J+G 4 Duty now for the future!
New Girl and New Job!
bbehlen G+C+J+H 4 So what if you live with your
girlfriend in an apartment,
and you both have cars? Does
my Indigo at work count?
\_No.
coganman J+H+C+U 4 The embarrassing thing is
that my second year here
I was at 4 (GHCJ), then sank
down to 2 (HC) for a while.
Now I'm at least gainfully
employed. My car does, too,
count, even if it's powered
by two gerbils on treadmills.
\_ Update: a couple of the
cylinders are misfiring.
Call it 1 1/2 gerbils.
\_ Update 2: Not only do I
possess the Secret Life
Point, but I am perhaps the
only recipient of the
Secret Life Penalty as well
\_ What's the penalty? Using
the car cylinders for
something they weren't
intended for?
\_ Using that Indian over
there, Tonto, to perform
an unnatural act.
davem C+H+U+J 4 Life is at best, an illusion.
davidf C+H+U+J 4 Okay, so I've got a car, an
apartment, a Sun, and a
handful of jobs. Who cares.
Anyone have a spare
girlfriend? ;)
dpetrou H+U+C+J 4 Languish in your misery.
Wallow in your excrement.
fab G+H+C+J 4 Would have U, but it's in
Orinda (ie., Contra Costa
county)...
fernando U+H+G+J 4 U: FreeBSD
J: Does CEA count?
G: She was in LA last summer,
but so was I!
ksanthan J+C+H+U 4 H - Finally out of the dorms!
U - Running Linux!
C - My trusty Honda!
\_ J?
\_ What happened to my Honda?
I'm sorry babe, I had to crash
that Honda.
meyers J+U+C+G 4 J - Documentum!
U - Linux!
C - way cool Saturn
G - way cool gf
mogul C+H+U+J 4 Once again I'm in good shape...
\_ J is in Marin County, no?
\_ Uh, so? -mogul
\_ Are the H and U?
moray C+H+J+U 4 I don't think I deserve this.
Technicalities help me.
niloc G+H+V+J 4 You don't know me. :)
It's all technicalities
anyway.
\_ but somebody lovers you
somewhere, maybe.
nweaver H+U+C+J 4 H: The NickCave (tm)
U: P5 133 with Linux
C: 95 Saturn Coupe
J: Herder of Cats
philbo G+C+H+J 4
philfree C+H+J+G 4
scotsman C+H+U+J 4 as for G, I have a roommate..
does that count?
sls H+J+U+C 4
sony H+J+C+U+G 5 H: cute studio in Oakland
J: It has *NOTHING* to do with
my major (thank god).
C: I think psb calls it "the de
la sol chick car"
U: FreeBSD v.2.2.5
G: He's really cool.
susann C+G+H+U 4 G: Leo, I lubs you.
P.S. Hehehehe.
tomcheng C+H+J+U 4 *sigh*
We Who Are About To Cry, Salute You
-----------------------------------
agee C+H+U 3 Traded a way out of county
J for a barely out of
county G.
ahsrah C+H+J 3 C: can't afford the
insurance, but still can
afford the tires and CDs 4
it....
H: Jesus Freaks as
neighbors
J: Screen Savers are
important dammit!!!
blojo U+H+J 3 Burned to a crisp and bloody
as hell.
\_ Yum, can I have some?
daveh u+h+c 3
dickylee G+J+H 3 i _still_ have more points
than ali...no matter how many
accounts i lose, no matter how
many times i'm banned,
_still_ have more points than
ali! muahahahahaaa.
\_ no you don't, twink
\_ ali, yer one
fugly cocksucker.
jenni G+J+H 3 Now if only the ghia was in
in this county.....
jwang C+H+J 3 <plus motorcycle cool points>
lindsay C+H+J+J 3 man-eater
max H+C+J+J 3 Okay. So I lost the G to
marriage. But my computer runs
Unix and I've ditched the third
job. And, yes, the car is mine,
too.
mikeh H+J+U 3 Woo woo. Housing, at last.
Job, if only to pay for U.
rsr G+H+J+U 4
runes J+H+C 3
sowings H+J+G 3 Ohnog.
Lincoln Myers U+J+C 3 Linux. Working at Network
Appliance. But I'm graduated
so I lose the game.
\_ then move your entry over
to the graduates area.
lolly H+G+J 3
Too sexy for life
-----------------
cje H+J 2 It's not fair, my girlfriend
broke up with me...
gregory H+J 2 This test is biased by our
society and it's damn
dependence on cars, not being
alone, a stationary
existence, an upward moving
and speeding career, and
using those around you to
further your own goals: It
makes me sick.
kane H+J 2 HA, i had a girlfriend
but she got rid of me.
I was too much trouble.
I think about computers?
what ever happened to horses?
\_thou damned inconsistency!
lisha H+C 2 F*CK! back i go to too sexy.
allenp H+U 2 Running Linux
aymless H+J 2 VIXENS!!!!
\_ *pant* *pant* *pant*
drex H+C 2 H: Alpha Epsilon Pi - Single
|_ Frats count?
\_ frats don't count!
\_ Especially loser ones
C: '85 Honda Prelude (red)
J: Don't want one
(I was a reader, but it
wasted time I wanted)
U: Need to buy 16megs (4 now)
G: $#!+ happens, my last girl-
friend went psycho, now I
fear women.
kenji U+J 2 Suckage.
\_ shouldn't that be +J+J+J+J?
\_ there are even rumors of
a +G
\_ Doesn't suckage imply
G? (Even if only
temporarily hired G?)
\_ privacy?
\_ privacy is not
allowed in the life
file
raja H+J 2 Does having a girlfriend 10K
miles, three continents away
give me extra bonus points?
NO. -- life god
Does having three computers
in one (Mac and IBM emul)
count?
\- Three lame computers still
don't add up to one real one.
stevie J+H 2 \_ Hey, you guys just broke up.
You're right. so noted.
And, I was lying about the
computer.
I'd like to mention that I'm
completely anti-car, but I'm
sure that does me no good.
\_ nope, none.
donsw H+J 2 The computer at home can be
multitasking if I ever use it.
But it doesn't run UNIX so I
let it rot. Hope it counts.
\_ keep hoping...
dci G+H 2
badams C+H 2 pure cane sugar . . .
jctwu H+J 2
Matt Saunders H+J 2 if I'm hard up for life
points, I'll just steal one
of your cars.
hahnak J+H+U 3 no G, no C. life has been kind
to me.
mlee C+H 2 I have actually gotten out
of that rathole so many of
you would despise, but I
called "home".
G: I should try to get
one just.for.the.point.
nolram J+H 2 *sigh*
Life facing suspension
----------------------
brg 0x1b 4+i Live orthogonally. Zort.
Set Phasers on "Spank"
----------------------
anitac G+H+J 3 Three! I have three points
now. Can I get out of this
category oh Benevolent Life
God?
benco U 1 I'd give up the U for a G
Andy Collins U 1
jon H+U+J 2 No G (yet)
well, certainly not in county
at least i have a place to
sleep 'sides csua.
Car is gone. Completely.
jkuroda@cs, whee
\_ finally.
\_ that doesn't stop you though
\_ OpenBSD.
danh J 1 C - 1980 black GMC van
H - my house is rad you
are jealous yes
G - punk rock girl decided
to date girls, oh well
\_ I thought danh gets all
the babes?
\_ girls are icky
\_ coming from
someone whose
lived with ahm,
we can understand why
you have a distorted
view of gurlz
Vegetarians (Flounder in our fleshless glory)
---------------------------------------------
hh J+C 2 House is in Egypt, so it
counts not.
\_ Graduates belong at the
bottom, Eric.
russman G-H-J-J-C 1 G- out of county
H- in berkeley
J- in SF and LA (out of county)
C- in LA
U- OS2 should count
schoen J+U 2 Linux, of course. If
consulting counts: J+J+J.
Transcendent of Life
--------------------
kosh *+*+*+*+U NaN You are not ready for life.
cthulhu D+E+A+T+H 666 *BURP*
Dolly S+H+E+E+P aleph-0 Come on, baby, light my fire.
zuul Z+U+U+L ZUUL There is no life, only...
well, me
\_ I thought it went "There
is no life, only Nick
Weaver."
\_ How about "Here is no
life but only rock /
Rock and no life and
the sandy road..."
\_ No, it goes "There is
no life, only DYNIX/ptx
v4.0.1." Yer all hoes.
Total L00zerz
-------------
Jim Casaburi (casaburi) 0 General meeting, Sep 14 1998
Michael Heldebrant 0 Hows my driving, call:
1-900-9-bite-me, anyways
OS/2 gives me my only point
\_READ THE DAMN RULES... OS/2 Doesn't count...
\_ But it *should* count. I'm protesting.
\_ protest noted and quashed.
\_ rebel!
bhchan 0 "No signs of life here"
Do I get a prize for being
The most lifeless and not
afraid to admit it? Do I?
\_ No
\_ Isn't it about time for
an update Billy? Last I
checked you had C, G, J
and even H (sorta)
thepro 0 I am beyond your petty,
lying morality, and so I
am beyond having a life.
\_ And beyond hope... -imp
\_ Who said that morality
had anything to do with it?!
By the way, I've decided that
my REAL county is Ulster, in
Ireland. As I've never been
there and know no one there,
I'll never have to revise my
life file, as any girlfriends,
boyfriends, jobs, cars,
housing, or computers I
may get will be out of county.
\_ Ulster's a province, not a
county, ted. -seano
\_ seano stores Ulysses
in his butt for handy
reference
Sam Trenholme 0
\_ Golly, nice quote.-dickylee
\_ you're an idiot, dick. -ali
\_ Yer stoopit. -dickylee
utsai 0 I suck.
\_ Yer right, Jeff! Ya do
suck. -dickylee
LOSER EXTRAORDINAIRE
--------------------
AHM 1 I GET THE SECRET LIFE POINT
CAUSE I DID SOMETHING
TERRIBLY ICKY.
\_ AHMS ARE ICKY
\_ You obviously have no idea
what the secret life point
IS, fool.
Dead
----
Donald Kubasak - ...
NIVRA Judgement of life lies not
within this realm. Thus,
judge me as the dead. I careth
not. To all others, Peace and
Happiness in thy Confounded
Existence.
\_ OK EVERYONE WAVE TO THE
FREAKS IN THE PINK FLOYD
SECTION - Dr. John
Lost by graduation
------------------
Sean Welch G+H+J+U 4 Happiness is a Sun 4 at home.
Adam Glass G+H+U+J 4 skip the car, I'm happy enough
^That's pretty scary.
ERic Mehlhaff H+J+U+C 4 Amiga UNIX, dude
"Moved on to Unlife" Car older than the microprocessor
\_(Wow! An xtrek player who didn't flunk out! )
\_ It happens! Can you say the same for MUD players?
\_ Wait... Don't you work in San Francisco county?????
\_ I do now. The above was at time of graduation...
\_Post graduation update: (should I even bother? )
H+U+C+U+U+U+C+C+N 3 (Job in SF.-- out of county
rule needs refining!)
cgd C+H+U+G 4 There is no comment, only Zuul!
dim G+J+H+U+C 5 Too bad I graduated with 4.
Jennifer L. Hom G+H+C+J 4
\_ Pretty good write-up.
Almost as good as thepro's.
Byron C. Go G+H+C+J 4 Lost by graduation, 5/92
-- working on getting into
grad school, though,
so I may return
04/96 Update: Lost the J for a year and a half while I was
at Netcom in San Jose, but gained a U. Now that I'm
back in Berkeley I have the J back and retain the U.
Ergo, G+H+C+U+J = 5.
Doug "Lips" Simpkinson G+C+H+J 4 Lost by graduation, 12/92
Ian Barkley G+C+H+J 4 Lot'o life points - still
no life - do CO-OP
apartments count as housing?
\_ Post grad update: How
many points do kids count for?
Payam Mirrashidi C+H+J+U 4
Mel Nicholson C+H+G+J 4 lost by graduation twice
96 Update note:
Most controvesial G point
on record (married -- was
counted as I graduated)
Also out-of-county did not
apply to Jobs back then,
as the Life God was not so
clueless as to not realize
that real jobs are mostly
out of county.
Van A. Boughner C+H+J+U 4 Lost by graduation, 12/91
-- 95 update: still no G,
so life still sucks in
some ways (or rather, it
never sucks at all.)
John D. Owens H+C+G+J 4 20 May 1995, moved on to
even more school. RIP.
Tobias Rossmann H+C+G+J 4 Lost by Graduation 5/95. Moved
to the Farm for another life,
i.e. a red reincarnation.
Tara Bloyd G-J-C-H 4 Been there, done that.
1/23/97 update: all 5.
(been that way for a while, but
I was too lazy to update...)
\_ Haven't you lost the G point
by the marriage rule yet?
cdaveb G+C+J+H 4 Can't get the computer
point till PowerMac Linux
comes out or I bum MachTen
off someone.
\_ So now what's your excuse?
\_I have a PCI Mac- gotta
wait a little longer yet-
besides- I graduated
Eric van Bezooijen H+U+J 3 Lost by graduation 5/93.
I think I deserved some kind of
comment. How about the fact
that I was supposed to beat
Dan Wallach at graduation?
\_ We tried really hard to get
you a gf before graduation
-- had you gotten that,
you could have beaten Dan,
since V graduates before W
\_ Actually my name goes
under "B"
Life update, 8/97:
G: Nope, married
C: 1989 Honda Civic
\_ The 75 odd gerbils have now
run 180,000 miles
\_ Make that 200,000. They
are really working up a sweat.
H: My own house!
U: K6-200 running FreeBSD
J: Active Software, Inc. (ooc)
Shannon D. Appel H+U+J 3 Which car is this?
1980 Mustang
In this county?
Santa Clara
Then it counts not. See
the out of county rule.
Peter Li'ir Key G+H+J+C 3 does a car jointly owned
yourself and your s.o. count?
or does it have to be solely
owned?
\_ it counts.
\_ dudes with apostrophes in
the middle of their name
rule
Connie Hammond H+G+J 3 G?????? What is the ruling
on this?
\_ It counts until the wedding
David G. Paschich H+U+C 3 Anyone wanna hire me for
the weekend?
\_ GET BACK TO WORK - pvg
\_ What's yer hourly rate?
\_ This won't get you the G
point.
\_BUT, it will get
the G-spot humming.
Case Larsen C+H+J+U 4 "Anyone wanna hire me for
the weekend?"
\_ No.
\_ see Paschich, D.
Donald Tsang H+C+J 3 Real J, but C is British
(i.e., not always running).
sheikh G+H+J 3 "I need my car back..."
Erik Nielsen J+G 2 Lost by grad., 5/92, but
now have all 5. Amazing what
graduating can do for you...
Maybe some of you should
try it.
lucasp NULL 0 Ohwell. I had H for a while,
but now I move on to grad
school and dorms again...
Never had G, never had U,
never had C, summer J's...
Oliver Juang C+J+H 3 lost by graduation: 5/92
C+J+H+U 95 update: hope it's not
another 3 for the G point.
Gene Kan H+U+J 3
yuen C+H+U+J 4 Lost by graduation: 5/93
U: GEOS 2.0, a preemptive
multi-tasking multi-thread
graphical true OO OS with
virtual memory, but which
does NOT offer memory
protection (cuz it runs on
8086)
Maroo Lieuw H+C+U+J 4 Aint life grand.
Got a morticycle, a scooter,
and a car. (only 1 point? :() )
I finally made it out. 12/95
Got me a Windows NT.
dennisc H+J 2 yup yup yup. SECRET SAUCE.
Matthew Seidl H+J+U+G 4 Rent controled appartment
3 blocks from campus
TCS sysadmin job
Sparc I at home (19" color is
KEWL)
\_ matt - you still have G?
\_ Well, he certainly doesn't
have the TCS job...
\_ By graduation, you twinks.
\_ he should be moved.
\_ moved.
6/98 update:
H - living in GF's House
G - Soraya Ghiasi
U - PII300 with FreeBSD
J - RA
C - Prism LSI
Slept with The Life God by Graduation
-------------------------------------
tmonroe C+H+U+F 2.1416 And it was gooood, too. But
you never return my phone
calls...
Shot the Life God During Graduation
-----------------------------------
geordan C+U+J -(2+i) Lives are overrated. I'm
returning mine. And fuck
you all, anyway. I will find
you in the night when you
least expect.
Vegetarians by graduation "we just don't dig on swine"
-----------------------------------------------------
lila H+J 2 I still think men bring only
misery and an evil streak, I
have a job at the moment, but
only till the end of this
week. Hopefully I will soon
have a real job. After I
acquire said job, I will then
break down and buy a computer.
I am also buying a car, for
better or for worse. 970827
\_ lila is a fat ass ugly bitch
Jim Ausman C+J 2 Sigh. I had four points
three months before graduation.
\_ It was the ugly hair
cut, Jim. -John
Christine Lee F+U+C+K ? trent is the life god; bite me.
\_ you've got the J & H, just
get your G to buy you C & U
(since he can afford it much
more than any Taos drone)
and you'll be set
\_ i already got my
C & U off my Taos Drone
salary. Now, I have no
M (money), so leave
my broke-ass alone...btw,
now that i'm now a
registered student at Cal
AGAIN, do i get a 2nd
run at Life? --chris
\_ You have the M
(monkey) -John
\_ Your "broke ass"
will be worth millions
the day you tie the
knot, so stop whining.
Lars Smith H+J+secret 2+1 Secret life point: if you
have to ask, you don't know.
G was out of county, computer
was mac-a-saurus.
My all time high was three
(G+H+J) and my largest
fluxuation was from 3 to 0
to 1 in 2 months.
Greatly misunderstood the purpose
---------------------------------
Victor Chang 0 I lose.
\_ You're right.
Too Lame To Have Entries
------------------------
George W. Herbert
Craig Latta
Doug Orleans
Official Responses from the Life God
From comment response
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Wallach do computers at work count? No. If it's not
at home, it doesn't
count.
\_ can work be an
unofficial home?
\_ If you live
there, yes.
i have my mail go
there, for instance.
Eric Mehlhaff how about work-owned computer
at home?
\_ these should count.
Peter Shipley Do extra girlfriend want-a-be's No, and no.
count as extra? Can you set
someone up with points and
take a percentage?
Byron C. Go does Microsoft Windows count? Serious questions only.
\_ NT takes as much HD space as any version of UNIX
and it's as processor-intensive, does it count?
\_ It's ain't UNIX, right?
\_ Yet another wonderful product
from MicroSloth gets DISSED!
Scott Drellishak clearly, this scale is faulty. Obviously.
Case Larsen Yes, very. Again, obviously.
Oliver Juang (does grading count?) If you get paid, yes.
work count? above.
Eric Hollander Computer is 286, but runs OS/2 counts not. See
OS/2. the rules, under
"reasonable."
\_ Hasn't the OS/2 ruling changed with the new version?
\_ Get Real. (Get Round Table)
Eric Hollander House is in Egypt. House in Egypt counts
not. See the out of
county rule.
Donald Wihardja Hope it counts. If it's not running
a real OS, it doesn't
count.
Connie Hammond G?????? What is the ruling G is merely a code,
on this? not a judgement.
Dormie Scum Whaddya mean dorms aren't That's not saying
housing? It's better than much.
living in the WEB like Roy.
Actually, I don't even live in the dorms anymore --
roy
\_ I kicked you once when you were sleeping
under the WEB tables cause I got all excited
about IRC when I was a freshman. It was
a formative moment. -John
But you live in the WEB, and therefore have computer
at home. - Dormie Scum
Some dorms are ok. Only No dorm is ok.
Unit 2 sux. All dorms suck, some
just suck more.
Unit 2 has its good points. They're just few and
far-between.
Scott Drellishak What about slack? Slackfulness has very
little, if anything,
to do with life.
Peter Norby I've achieved negative Possibly, but lifeness
lifeness. and life points are
much different.
Does your gf know this?
George Herbert Can I be readmitted to the No - being a space
game now that I'm a student cadet doesn't count.
again?
Besides, life ends
upon graduation.
Kumaran Santhanam OS/2 2.0 is a preemptive multi-
tasking fully reentrant OS. But is it multiuser?
It's gotta count. Not.
With TCP/IP it is multiuser.
^^^^^^^^^
It's multiuser, complete with
passwords, and file protection.
I, in fact, run SLIP and have
people log in all the time.
\_ it doesn't count.
----------------
Dear Life God:
how do we go about adding more life point qualifiers?
You don't. The rules are final, and clarifications are available only
from the Life God.
Can we have the point of the week qualifiers (eg: if you do/don't
own a copy of wiz war, or disqualify Macs on odd
numbered days)?
No. Life is not a weekly process, but rather lasts forever, or at least
until you graduate.
Co-dependent personality (eg: physio or mind fucking) girlfriends
should *not* count
A girlfriend is a girlfriend. Subjective judgements do not come into play.
\_ but some of us can't STAND that term... and we still get the
point, right?
If you are married you should be disqualified (since you obviously
can not be happy in any marriage situation). Although
a woman on the side should qualify.
^
\
The author of this obviously doesn't know Mel.
His spelling is likewise pathetic.
^ \_ Some errors korekted
| \_ use philspell
\ Is Mel married, or what?
Yes. So is his wife.-^
A wife/husband is not a girlfriend/boyfriend, thus doesn't count for a point.
If you have a girlfriend/boyfriend in addition to a wife/husband, you get the
point.
\_ so is girlfriend soley defined by having sex? does oral sex count?
does manual sex count? does S&M count? can you count the number of
whip lashes? can whiplashes count for you?
\_ see thepro's comments (in his entry above) for a relevant
discussion of morality.
A girlfriend/boyfriend is defined by both parties agreeing that those terms
apply to them in their relationship. Sex is not a requirement in the least.
Okay, so define this "SO lock" thing that we've been babbling about. Needs
much clarification.
>Life God
>Do you anyone verify someones score! or can we all cheat
The Life Points are automagically verified. Do not dare to
offend the Life God.
\_ I hereby dare to offend the Life God. "Play that funky
music, white boy!" -- tmonroe
\_ I ever monkey and happy red! -John
>So is the Life God an elected position? Or is it passed on from previous
>Life winners to their hand-picked successors?
The Life God is immortal, therefore, succession is not an issue. Do not
concern yourself with such issues.
>O Mr. Life God:
>We need a better definition of girlfriend.
>\_Do the for-hire ones count?
If you have to hire a girlfriend, you don't deserve any points, but since
the rules are absolute, it doesn't affect your score other than that the
girlfriend for hires counts not.
>Mr. Life God:
>What bribes are required to gain more life?
Suicide will get you a point, in this case. (But only if it is verified
as successful.)
\_ If this is the super-secret sixth life point, then the
Life God is pathetic.
It's not.
\_ The Life God is still pathetic.
>Mr. Life God:
>Do girls who want to be your girlfriend count?
Only if they actually are your girlfriend. Similiarly, someone who is your
girlfriend and doesn't want to be also counts for a point, although the
stability of this particular point is questionable.
>Oh wise and wonderous Life GOD:
>Is it possible to have less than 0 life points?
As unfair as it may seem, no.
>Does a computer which is tunred off and being used as a doorstop count?
>[it's a sparcstation]
Yes it counts, though why you would be using it as a doorstop is not clear,
unless you have more powerful hardware at your disposal, in which case you
couldn't need the sparcstation for a point anyway.
>Does it count if you aren't in the dorms but are with your parents?
Not even close.
>I want a definitive ruling on my motorcycle. It outperforms many people's
>cars, it probably costed more than the cars some people are using for their
>life points, and it probably has more cc/kg than any car on the road. It
>should, therefore, count.
Well, where did the definitive ruling go? -hh
\_ the motorcycle counts.
New questions for Life God
--------------------------
>If you have your own workstation at work, and a dedicated ISDN line to
>it, and your home computer runs X, such that you can't tell the difference
>between it and a real computer, does that count as U? [guessing not]
It's the computer at home that matters, not the interface to it.
>Why does Solaris count (i.e., define "reasonable")?
Because the life god has ruled so.
>Hey does living in the student co-ops count as housing? I see a number of
>people here claiming that as housing. "Where are you living next semester?"
>"Anywhere but the USCA!"
CO-OPS count not. They make the dorms look nice in comparision.
>What about frats?
>What about the losers who drop out but never graduate? When have they 'lost'?
>There's a number of them in the non-grad section! -ERic
>I think out of county rule needs to be expanded to include all areas in
>non-toll phone range of Berkeley. County lines are pretty arbitrarily drawn
>around here...
>Does it count as graduation when all you get is a piece of paper and
>keep on going as a grad student?
>Can I have an extra life point for having a network at home? My living
>room is a machine room. -raytrace
>Hey, Life God, do I look like a bitch? -- tmonroe
Motd comments on the life god
----------------------------- |
| 2007/7/17 [Computer/SW/Languages/JavaScript, Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:47313 Activity:nil |
8/23 Update your life scores, you twinks!
\_ Not unless life-god gets a clue and quits classifying co-op rooms
as dorms. Maggot. -john
\_ Dear Maggot Infested Peon:
Nowhere was it said that a co-op was a dorm.
Rather, the life god sayeth: "CO-OPS count not.
They make the dorms look nice." Perchance we shall
allow you to return to the hallowed halls of life
when you have mastered the difficult art of clue.
The life god requests that you not reproduce at
this time.
\_ Good thing I have the life god's mother hogtied
in my closet to prove my points. -john
\_ That's gotta be worth at least a G, if not C.
\_ What about those 4 to a room co-op rooms? Dorms like
mighty nice compared to them
\_ There's a lot of graduates in the wrong section of the life file,
too.
\_ I lost so who the fuck cares.
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Welcome to John's special half-assed life point section. This section of
the life file exists specifically for those who have it all. Sort of.
Well, maybe not really. But we won't get into that right now.
John .3C+.7G+.7H+.6J+172.3U 174.5 C's a '63 Mercedes in SF
with a busted carb
G's in Switzerland but hot
H's a coop, what do you
want, and
J's the fixing stuff I do
for it, while
U's almost there, all I
need is a CD drive.
That, and I own soda.
\_ the tank should should for an extra life point
John Update: I'm not getting the tank, because I found out they wouldn't let me
shoot anything with it anyway, thus making the whole exercise pointless.
What counts is that I had convinced them to give me a tank. I work
for a company called Bull, which is neat, because if they fail, they can
easily change the logo to "Bull", or if they get bought by Microsoft, they
can change it to "Bill".
FDSFSDF
7/17 |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Finance/Banking] UID:47314 Activity:nil |
7/17 GMAC Bank has kick ass CD rates. Better than ING Direct and
Emigrant Direct. I'm getting rid of ING because it's only 4.50%:
http://gmacbank.com/cd-rates.do
6 month 5.30%
9 month 5.35%
12 month 5.40% |
| 2007/7/17 [Uncategorized] UID:47315 Activity:insanely high |
7/17 Burbage, Hedwig, Mad-eye, Scrimgeour, Wormtail, Dobby, Snape and
Fred Weasley all die.
\_ Who gives a flying shit?
\_ Burbage?
\_ I'm reading Le Morte D'Arthur instead, without wearing
pants - !psb |
| 2007/7/17 [Uncategorized] UID:47316 Activity:nil |
7/17 Nancy Pelosi has some pretty big tits under there,
but she's a grandmother. Do you think they hang down
far enough that she can tuck them into her belt? |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47317 Activity:nil |
7/17 http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewShortStory.asp?AuthorID=7277&id=20959 Barker Brothers, what I love about suburbia. |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:47318 Activity:low |
7/17 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/health/nutrition/17essa.html #ifdef OLD_FAT_BASTARD /* Holub */ RideBike #endif #ifdef THIN_N_SVELTE /* Kuroda, PSB */ Run #endif \_ I bet tom could put kuroda and psb in a distance run \- ???. relative to the population, my best distances are (were) in the 1-8mi range. i rarely ran longer than that, and never ran +20mi plus ... i didnt think that was healthy. \_ It is certainly possible to bicycle with reasonable strength while being overweight, and bicycling doesn't tend to take off weight as fast as other activities (although it depends on how you train). Mountain unicycling, on the other hand, is serious work and it is hard to avoid dropping weight while doing it regularly. In any case, weight is majorly affected by diet and by genetics, no matter what your activity. My dad ran 9 marathons and I don't think he was below 200 pounds for any of them. (at 6'1") -tom |
| 2007/7/17 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:47319 Activity:nil |
7/17 why doesn't my fucking backspace key work in emacs
\_ Maybe you need the following in your .emacs:
(keyboard-translate ?\C-h ?\C-?) |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Recreation/Media] UID:47320 Activity:nil 50%like:47356 |
7/17 harry potter:
http://bayimg.com/album/NaaacAaAB |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Uncategorized] UID:47321 Activity:nil |
7/17 Downloading HP7.tar.gz from 24 of 36 peers -- DL: 301.6KB/s |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Uncategorized] UID:47322 Activity:kinda low |
7/17 Trader Joes about to start building on MLK
\_ I don't shop at Trader Joe. Is it similar to Andronicle's?
\_ Better prices. Think of it as a lower-priced Whole Foods.
\_ Uhh, it's nothing like whole foods.
\_ What is it like then?
\_ like Diffused Foods |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Recreation/Media, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:47323 Activity:moderate |
7/17 **SPOILERS REMOVED**
\_ Who gives a flying shit?
\_ Barack Obama does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvY3cSmW1cw
\_ Burbage?
\_ I'm reading Le Morte D'Arthur instead, without wearing
pants - !psb
\- just out of curiosity, what is your point mentioning
LMdA in the same breath as HP? Are they supposed to both
be "kids fatasy books with adult appeal" or something?
Maybe Once and Future King, but not LMdA, I dont think.
\_ I'm reading the Malazan book of the fallen series. I
read it on the toilet so my pants are half off.
\_ I'm reading Charlie Stross's _On Her Majesty's Occult
Service_, which is really good but may seem dated in about
five years. --erikred
\_ I d like to point out that Harry Potter sucks, and doesn't hold a
candle to Tolkien's stuff. And has the adult appeal of Barney
the fucking dinosaur. -- ilyas
\_ Cue unholy CS_LEWIS/PHILLIP_PULLMAN/TOLKEIN/ROWLING/STMG blood
bath. --erikred
\_ "Harry, I am your father." -Darth Voldemort
\- http://tinyurl.com/2ozkrv
\- http://tinyurl.com/2ozkrv (washingtonpost.com)
\_ Maybe when the next Hemingway starts writing people will
start reading fiction again.
start reading [new] fiction again.
\- yes, it is too bad as with Livy most of Hemingway is lost
to history and everybody has read all of what has survived.
\_ What I mean was new fiction, rather than existing
fiction. I've fixed it.
\- i dont think the failure-to-read is the lack of
quality fiction. also, i dont think reading pulp
fiction [at least for adults] is any different from
watching tv. reading the da vinci code is really
mentally the same as watching desperate hwives.
\_ I guess I disagree re the failure-to-read.
I used to try to find new fiction to read
whenever I went to the library, but it was
almost all universally bad (except for the
occasional mystery novel), so I've sort of
given up.
I agree re things like da vinci code. That
sort of crap is really fit only as kindling.
\_ So what, you already read all the old fiction?
I'd expect most new fiction to be rather bad,
as frankly most people don't really have much
to say but they say it anyway. If they can
come up with some nice mindless entertainment in
book form then more power to them.
\- "is there good fiction being written today"
is a separate question from "are people reading
less today than 20 years ago". if the first is
true it might explain the second, if it is true.
i dont have an opinion on #1. and i think #2 is
better explained by more competion ... like i
think internet surfing, dvds, internet chat etc
i dont have an opinion on #1. and i think #2 is T
but better explained by more competition ...
i internet surfing, dvds, internet chat etc
has reduced tv viewing more than "there is nothing
good on".
note also, i wasnt saying davinci code was
good/bad. i was just saying reading pulp like
that ... or michael chichton, or john grisham,
or james patterson ... is the brain equivalent
watching tv than reading shakespeare ... i.e.
the "at least they are reading" is totally
hollow argument.
watching tv ... i.e. the "at least they are
reading" is totally hollow argument.
\_ Oh, I don't know. Books require more patience,
reading comprehension, imagination. They are
not saturated with commercial marketing.
It seems most people can't even read the pulp.
\- this might apply to children ... which is
why i restricted my comments to adults.
my old housemate has an mba from mit/sloan
and is more or less retired before 50, and
reasonably informed about the world ... so
reasonably successful and not a dumbass.
the "can" read pulp ... he just doesnt.
he reads 0 fiction, and maybe 0-2 nonfic
per year (usually a practical/howto book).
judging him differently because
he read a james patterson mystery instead
of watching dvds/tv would be silly. he'd
be the same person. on the other hand,
somebody who goes though 20 books a year
including 5 "challenging" books would be
a different person if they replaced that
time with tv.
\_ So what, you already read all the old fiction?
I'd expect most new fiction to be rather bad,
as frankly most people don't really have much
to say but they say it anyway. If they can
come up with some nice mindless entertainment in
book form then more power to them. (re: desperate
hwives) |
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