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| 2007/7/7-8 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:47208 Activity:nil |
7/6 21ST CENTURY CATCH-22
Journalists: "We've been spied on by the feds, we're gonna sue!"
Federal Court: "Sorry, you have no standing, your case is thrown
out."
Journalists: "What do you mean, no standing?"
Federal Court: "You can't prove you were wiretapped."
Journalists: "But it's a secret program!"
Federal Court: Sorry, ask the white house."
White House: "We're sorry, we can't give you that information."
Journalists: "But then how can we prove we were harmed by your
illegal program?"
White House: "You were saying?" |
| 2007/7/7-10 [Uncategorized] UID:47209 Activity:nil |
7/8 Yasmin, "it's what's inside that counts." Hmmmm
http://www.yasmin-us.com/index.htm
\_ Yes take Yasmin so you can cum inside. Clever marketing.
\_ Why would you cum inside when you can cum on her face?
\_ Because I can't make her climax by cuming on her face. |
| 2007/7/7-10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47210 Activity:high |
7/7 Dear cat owners: What is it about cats you like? -dog guy
\_ dog: Everyone's equal except the master. Communism rules!
cat: Fuck you and fuck everyone else. Libertarianism rules!
\_ The cat kingdom doesn't have a complex social hierarchy.
Likewise cat owners tend to hate hierarchy. They do what
they damn please. The two have a lot in common.
\_ Great apes and wolves have a similar social structure. Most
dogs view the human as the alpha. Dog owners get a pet to fulfill
the need to be an alpha in a social hierarchy.
\_ Funny. Dog expert Cesar Milan says *most* owners are not
being calm & assertive owners, and are treated by their
dogs as equals or even inferior member of the pack. You
can easily confirm this fact by the number of dogs that
walk their owners (when the dogs lead the leash) instead
of the other way around, and how unobedient many dogs are
with constant barking and uncontrollable behaviors because
their owners are not being calm and assertive leaders.
In reality, most owners are *not* perceived by their dogs
as the alpha. Sad.
\_ I understand that. I like dogs. I like having a companion
with whom I can share my social structures with. I'm
baffled as to why people love cats. I don't understand cats.
They give me no respect, and don't recognize any of their
owners. They sleep 2/3 of the time. They're lazy, unmotivated,
and they're slightly smarter than furnitures. In fact, they
are moving furnitures.
If my dog is 200 pounds, it is still my best friend. If
a cat is 200 pounds, I become its meal. Other than the fact
that they're clean and low maintenance and provide a little
bit of entertainment (they're obsessed about yarns and
strings and curtains), I really don't understand why
people love cats but I'm curious and I want to know why.
Thank you for your useless response. -dog guy
\_ You like having a slave or a wingman. Dog owners measure
dog intelligence by how much of a beta the dog is. (Back in
the old days folks in the South used to measure the
intelligence of black slaves in the same way -- by how well
\_ Well I have to say that the southerners did a pretty
bad job because many many African Americans
are anything but submissive. -robbed at gunpoint
they followed instructions.) You don't
understand cat owners because you have a lot of social
insecurity, so much so that you crave 'respect' from an animal.
\_ The ability to communicate is one trait that separates
smart animals from others. Smart cats can understand up
to 50 different human words. Average dogs understand
250 different human words. Smart cats are often said to
communicate with the human equivalence of 18 months
old baby. Average dogs communicate with the human
equivalence of 2 year old kids.
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Columns/?article=catsanddogsdogthink
\_ Cat communication is more subtle and involving of body
language and expressions with eyes/ears/tail. I agree
that dogs are more attuned to individual human words.
But they aren't attuned to cat communication. If you
pay enough attention to cats you can communicate
enough. They will be more likely to respect you if you
are able to do this.
\_ Why would you expect dogs to be attuned to cat
communication? Say what? Dogs are very responsive
to human non-verbal cues and express plenty of their
own through non-vocal means. What are you trying to
say here?
\_ I'm just saying that communication ability isn't
defined by understanding human words.
\_ Of course not but cross species communication
is a good indicator.
\_ Actually Mr. Freud, it's a lot simpler than that.
Obedient slave will do tasks that alpha slaves will
not. Economically speaking, beta slaves yield high
ROI (return on investment) whereas alpha slaves are
liabilities. Likewise, dog owners need to have beta
dogs to yield a higher ROI where their definition
of investment is time/training/vets vs. how much
fun it is to be with their dogs. From what you're
saying the only ROI dog owners want is a psychological
need to feel superior, which may be true for some
dog owners but is certainly not a universal need for
all dog owners. Many dog owners are just as
content having cats around for companionship.
\_ Your comments were insightful and I thought it was
going to lead to a logical conclusion, but alas, it's
just the usual motd ad-hominem
\_ Sometimes an insult is the logical conclusion. The
OP started the thread to try to troll cat owners --
he got exactly what he deserved.
he got exactly what he deserved. What's funny is
a typical cat owner would find the original comment
of 'wanting to be an alpha' insulting, but I think
it's too subtle a jab to be caught by a dog owner.
\_ in general a generalization like yours makes
you appear to be a person who likes to generalize.
\_ What's up with the giant trollish net you're
tossing over all dog owners? It's kind of hard to
respond to someone in a serious way who makes such
grandly sweeping trollish statements.
\_ I don't know about you, but I stopped taking this
thread seriously after OP's first response.
\_ It's the motd, none of it is serious. With
that in mind, I just wanted to point out the
giant hand waving trolling sweeping over-
generalisation since it went beyond motd norms.
\_ I don't think the motd can survive without
your observational skills. Thanks!
\_ No problem, I'm here for you, Brother!
\_ Cats are beautiful creatures that still have a lot of the
\_ beautiful as in "wow I love the color and the fur, let
me put on Gucci decorations and make it cuter!" or
beautiful as in "it moves with god given grace" ?
\_ Graceful, agile, and overall attractive. They seem
to be very proud animals.
wild in them. They *do* recognize their owners and they can
be very loving. They are small and clean and don't smell
bad, like dogs do. I've had both as pets and while I grant
that it's better to have a dog sometimes (e.g. for
security) as pets I far prefer cats. I think cats are
smarter than dogs are, btw.
\_ I'm still not hearing a single specific about any case
where cats are smarter than dogs in any way.
\_ Let me guess, you're a dog owner? -pp
\_ I've had both. Going to answer the question or keep
attacking at a personal level? What is 'smarter'
about cats?
\_ In a 1:1 match the cat wins hands down. Cats have better
agility and faster reaction time. They're born with
better survival instincts and individual hunting instincts.
They track targets well, hide better, and attack only
when they're in an advantageous position. In an even
n:n match where n is greater than say, 5, a pack of dogs
wins hands down. This is mainly because dogs learn and
adapt as hunters and are able to co-operate with
others. God built cats with faster CPU and bigger ROM,
but gave dogs much more RAM.
\_ Where do lions fit in?
\_ Once again lions have superior hardware but
wolves have slightly better written software.
One on one, lions win hands down, but the slightly
better designed software will allow a pack of
wolves (5-25) to wear down loner lions.
\_ What makes it better? Packs of lions work
together better than wolves do. Go watch some nature
videos.
videos. -troll#319
\_ I've seen plenty of videos of both. Both pack
hunt in pretty much the same way in everything
I've seen. What have you seen different?
\_ I've seen them cooperating to get prey in
ways wolves don't do. But whatever: if you
say they're pretty much the same way, then
why do you think wolves have better software?
-troll#319
\_ I'm not the software analog guy. I think
it comes down to pack vs. non-pack. Lions
will do things like encircle prey, have a
chaser lion spook the target into other
waiting lions, etc. So do wolves. I dunno
exactly what ways you're talking about.
\_ Why are you replying then? I was
responding to the claim that wolves
are smarter than lions.
are smarter than lions. -troll#319
\_ You've been chatting with me since
lions were brought into this. I'm
still not mammals=computers guy.
\_ uh? he was the one who claimed
wolves have "better designed
software" and my reply was to
him. -troll#319
\_ Okey dokey. He hasn't been
here for a while though. Maybe
you're on the wrong thread?
Try Google's New MOTD Maps!
\_ Mostly lazing around while the few females hunt once
a week or so on the pride's behalf.
\_ Sounds pretty smart.
\_ You mean "Sounds pretty lucky." They didn't
"think & act" to reach their status.
\_ You base this opinion on what?
\_ So if I repeatedly put a dog & a cat in an identical maze
(at separate times of course), a cat will learn to
traverse the maze faster than a dog?
\_ Not really what I meant, but I've read that cats are
capable of learning tasks that dogs cannot.
\_ Yes like learning to climb a tree. SMART!
\_ Such as? With patience you can train a dog to do
almost anything. It probably won't understand why
you've taught it to use the vaccuum cleaner but it
can be taught to do so.
\_ http://www.jeffrydwight.net/writing/catsarestupid.asp
\- can you elaborate on your definition of smart?
\_ Capable of more advanced thought processes.
\_ You mean they're too smart to obey commands
because they know they'll get food anyways?
\_ Intelligence is domain specific. The cold virus
is more intelligent in its own domain than the
entire human race. If you define intelligence
as the capacity to obey commands then computers
are smarter than people. -- ilyas
\- Most scientists today will agree that
intelligence is defined as capacities to
reason, plan, solve problems, think
abstractly, comprehend ideas and language,
and learn. There is no doubt that the cold
virus is WELL SUITED for its domain (host)
and the cat is WELL SUITED for its domain
(jungle). I.E. the germ is WELL SUITED but by
no means INTELLIGENT for its domain. It
doesn't reason, plan, and comprehend ideas
but certainly its offspring variants LEARN
to defeat anti-biotics.
\_ Do you believe an observational test is
sufficient to determine intelligence?
(The Turing Test is observational). It
sounds like you don't, because you are
appealing to the 'causal structure' of the
mind as found in human beings
(e.g., implementation: planning,
etc.) Blockhead doesn't plan, but some
people would consider it intelligent.
I don't consider any collection of cold
viruses to possess 'general intelligence,' but
I am not sure that concept is well defined
anymore. -- ilyas
anymore. The architecture of the human mind
The architecture of the human mind
has more in common with that of a cold virus
strain than of Blockhead. -- ilyas
strain than of Blockhead. I don't consider
any collection of cold viruses to possess
'general intelligence,' but I am not sure that
concept is well defined anymore. -- ilyas
\_ Exactly what are these more advanced thought processes
that the cat has? I've had both cats and dogs, often
at the same time, and didn't ever once see or hear of
my or any other cat doing anything smarter than leaving
dead things in the house as a gift.
\_ HOW DARE YOU question cats' intelligence! They
climb trees, kill pests, clean themselves, and
are self sufficient. Dumb dogs cannot do any of
the above. -dog guy pretenting to be a cat guy
\_ I didn't expect to get a real reply from a cat
person, so thanks for filling in. :-) |
| 2007/7/7-10 [Uncategorized] UID:47211 Activity:nil |
7/6 Hey mice, whatever happened to the kitty you rescued on August
14th of 2005? |
| 2007/7/7 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion] UID:47212 Activity:nil 85%like:47216 |
7/7 Curtains for Fred:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-thompson7jul07,0,54260.story?coll=la-home-center |
| 2007/7/7-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47213 Activity:low |
7/7 Nearly half of Americans support impeaching Bush. More than half
support impeaching Cheney.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/arg_and_others_on_impeachment.php
\_ So? More than half believe in the law of Jesus Christ
\_ Jesus Christ is not a fringe idea, and neither is impeachment.
However, it is routinely derided as such.
\- i dunno who this dood is, and i think he goes off the rails
a bit at the end with the mob boss stuff, but this is a
good paragraph ....
http://www.lakeexpo.com/articles/2007/07/07/lake_news/02.txt
Now, George Bush and his cronies are showing America
in the worst possible light. They are illuminating
the chasm between the weak and the powerful, the
rich and the poor, the connected and the
disconnected. They are doing all they can to find a
death row cell for the American Dream and when
crunch time comes, giving none of us hope for a
commutation of that sentence.
\_ I suspect far fewer even know what impeachment means.
\_ More than 85% of Americans believe in the personification of
the Biblical Angels, too. They're still looking for a pin, though. |
| 2007/7/7-10 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:47214 Activity:nil |
7/7 One lawyer's opinion on the fed government's use of
conspiracy charges:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/snitch/cases/clark.html
\_ Unless you are Scooty Libby or some other well connected GOP
insider, in which case you are above the law. |
| 2007/7/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:47215 Activity:nil |
7/7 When we calculate who is or is not a millionare, do we include money
in the person's 401(k) account which will be taxed when the person
withdraws it?
\_ Of course. A millionaire is not (usually) someone who has a million
in cash sitting in the bank, it is someone who has over a million
in assets. |
| 2007/7/7-10 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion] UID:47216 Activity:nil 85%like:47212 |
7/7 Curtains for Fred:
http://urltea.com/xgc (latimes.com) |
| 2007/7/7-11 [Reference/History/WW2, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:47217 Activity:nil |
7/7 I just saw Band of Brothers. Curahee!! Like I said,
German artillery is the best.
\_ D-Day Weekend on the History Channel.
\_ In WW2, are parametics somehow magically exempt from getting
targetted? German snipers could have easily picked them off
but didn't. Why?
\_ Who says they didn't?
\_ Geneva convention, I guess. Paramedics are not armed and
fighting, although they are in uniform.
\_ GC were violated all over the place by all parties in WW2.
\_ my guess is that in the battle field, they were so busy killing
those who has potential to threaten them (i.e. those in arms),
that shooting parametics are simply very low on their priority.
\_ I read something a few years ago that said most rounds fired
in WW2 weren't aimed at anyone in particular, just the
general direction of the enemy to get them to stay down and
not shoot back. |
| 2007/7/7-8 [Reference/BayArea] UID:47218 Activity:low 93%like:47185 |
7/6 SF fireworks mayhem:
http://urltea.com/xge (sfgate.com)
http://sfist.com/2007/07/05/there_was_indee.php
http://www.yelp.com/topic/YmTe4zuKvbsJ249bHhu0Sw
and then there's this guy
http://sfist.com/2007/07/05/there_was_indee.php#comment-1141222
\_ sfist is racist? huh?
\_ The girl who lost a finger is in this photo:
http://urltea.com/xgg (sfgate.com)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2007/01/18/NSGMKLNB6H1.DTL&o=0 |
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