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2007/6/19-21 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47005 Activity:low
6/19    what's with the cumshot in eye at the end of porn?
        i would never do such a thing
        \_ seconded. And anal, why the hell would you do something as
           dirty and as risky as that. It smells too.
           \_ Obviously, you've never served.
              \_ You mean military or prison, or either?
                 \_ BUD DAY doesn't like your tone!  Drop and give me twenty!
           \_ Sounds like you have lots of experience.. tell us more.
        \_ And what's with all the creampie movies out there lately, why
           would you ever want to cum inside the vagina?
           \_ uh....
           \_ I guess it's gotta go somewhere.  but why her eyeball?
        \_ The porn you're watching is all too common, and dallies in fucked
           up power dynamics and humiliation rituals that have always been
           really disturbing to me.  If you've wondered why so many women
           "hate porn", it's because of stuff like this.
        \_ I think I shot it up someone's nose once -- I was too busy laughing
           to notice how pissed she was -- then there was the time I did the
           self-facial by accident.  Sex is so dirrrrty and fun!
           \_ I did that once by accident, but both of us found it funny
              enough to just laugh it up. According to that nympho women
              forum posted on motd a while back, cum in the eye is supposed
              to burn! Or maybe her partner had some problems...
        \_ Ho don't cry
           When I nut in your eye
           Let it drip down your face
           Bitch how does it taste?
                 --Robert Frost
           \_ A Lap Dance Is So Much Better When the Stripper Is Crying?
              \- E_CRYINGINTHERAIN
2007/6/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47006 Activity:kinda low
6/19    Hillary Clinton's campaign theme song is a Celine Dion tune.
        Now I can't vote for her.
        \_ Obama's is "Think" by Aretha Franklin.  which is about a man
           cheating on a woman.  Do you think Obama is trying to enrage
           the Hillary?
           http://www.lyrics007.com/Aretha%20Franklin%20Lyrics/Think%20Lyrics.html
           http://preview.tinyurl.com/yogl75 (lyrics007.com)
        \_ "You And I"
        \_ Blame Canada
        \_ Why not?
        \_ Lieberman's is LETS HAVE A WAR
           \_ The first candidate that chooses "TV Party" as their theme
              song gets my vote.
              \_ This is like Michael Moore saying he'd support the first
                 candidate to dance in a moshpit: you're going to end up
                 endorsing Alan Keyes. http://csua.org/u/iz7 (Michael Moore)
        \_ Bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran -- McCain
2007/6/19-21 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:47007 Activity:nil
6/19    Just FYI, there was a question about when "the surge" would be complete
        (at full strength).  Apparently the buildup finished last week, and the
        first major campaign begins this week.
        \_ It's all a sham.  We're not leaving Iraq.  EVER.
           \_ Just like Japan, Germany, South Korea, etc.?
                \_ and those are the success stories!
           \_ Comparing those three with Iraq is intellectual dishonesty at
              its purest.
              \_ Yes because we actually fought in those places.  We're not
                 fighting in Iraq.  Just getting troops killed with no real
                 mission.
        \_ I thought they already started moving into AlQ controlled areas of
           the city a few days ago?  Close enough I guess.  Anyway, I've
           already read media reports saying the surge has failed and Reid has
           said it was a failure so let's can the whole thing.
           \_ We should give it at least 2 more Friedman units to fail.
           \_ http://www.csua.org/u/iyw (Failed States Index)
              Hey, with just a bit more effort we can get Iraq to number one!
2007/6/19-22 [Recreation/Dating] UID:47008 Activity:high
6/19    // Motd summary on the age of consent
        boolean legal(float age1, float age2) {
          assert(age1 >= 10 && age2 >= 10 && age1 >= age2);
          if (age1 >= 21 && age2 >= 21) return true;
          float range = (age2 / 5);
          if (age1 <= age2 + range) return true;
          return false;
        }
        \_ Your assert is stupid.
        \_ deltaAllowed x y = (min x y) / 5
           legal x y = if  ((x <10) || (y <10)) then False
                       else if ((x >= 21) && (y >= 21)) then True
                       else if (deltaAllowed x y) < abs (x - y) then False
                       else True
        \_ legal x y | ((x < minAge) || (y < minAge)) = False
                     | ((x >= adult) && (y >= adult)) = True
                     | deltaAllowed < abs (x - y) = False
                     | otherwise = True
                     where deltaAllowed = (min x y) / 5
                           minAge = 10
                           adult = 21
        \_ The real summary: One person wants legal and social acceptance to
           have sex with children as an adult.  Everyone else thinks having
           sex with children is wrong and should be punished in various
           permanent and painful ways.
           \_ I never said anything about social acceptance. I also don't
              consider 16 year olds children. "Everyone else" apparently
              doesn't agree with you if you look at the most common laws.
              \_ Oh yeah?  Then why were you so upset when I said it made me
                 ill?  It is wrong for an adult to have sex with a child.
                 Your hypothetical experienced 16 year old is what healthy
                 adults would call a "victim".  16 year olds should not have
                 that much experience, if they do something has gone very
                 wrong in their lives.  An adult should not be taking
                 advantage of any child and doubly so a troubled child.  Please
                 seek psychological help before you need legal help and you
                 leave some child in need of psychological help.
                 \_ I was using the experience thing as a counterexample. My
                    point does not depend on the 16 year old being experienced.
                    My point is pretty simple and has nothing to do with me
                    (I'm much more attracted to 20-somethings.)
                       1. 16 year olds do have sex, regardless of how ill it
                          makes you. If they want to, they want to. Sexual/
                          biological maturity comes before age 18 for the
                          vast majority of people.
                          \_ But not the non-biological maturity required to
                             deal with it in today's society.  Some girls are
                             hitting puberty having periods as young and 9 and
                             10 now.  That doesn't make them "a-ok" for sex.
                             \_ Deal with it? They do have it. That's the
                                point. The issue is why it's so harmful if
                                the partner is over a certain age. Do I think
                                a 16 year old is truly "mature"? No, neither is
                                an 18 year old for that matter. But you can't
                                ignore biology completely. A 16 year old is
                                mature by historical standards. They will
                                learn things all their life. They are mature
                                enough for sex if they feel they are though.
                                I'm not sure why you think sex is so evil.
                                Maybe you have psychological damage from
                                an overly strict upbringing.
                                There is a contradiction in exempting people
                                when the age difference is < x. Either it's
                                ok or it isn't. The 18 screwing the 17 is
                                a pedophile or not the same as the 22 or 26
                                and the 17, or whatever. 16 is an arbitrary
                                choice midway between biological maturity
                                and legal maturity.
                                \_ "Mature by historical standards" is not a
                                   reasonable argument. By "historical
                                   standards," your five year-olds should be
                                   at work in factories, not in school. You
                                   asked for reasonable arguments, but you
                                   continue to ignore reasonable points. Face
                                   it, man, you just want to have sex with
                                   16 year-olds, and no reasonable argument is
                                   going to convince you.
                                   \_ You're ignoring my arguments and
                                      attacking that one statement. Forget that
                                      one then, it would take too long to
                                      pedantically rephrase it in a way that
                                      would avoid this kind of attack. Please
                                      explain how it's unreasonable when most
                                      of the world agrees with me.
                                      \_ Second fallacy: I'm right because
                                         most of the world agrees with me.
                                         Closely tied to sub-fallacy: Most of
                                         the world agrees with me.
                                        \_ You were the one claiming that all
                                           "reasonable" and "healthy" people
                                           agree with you and that I'd get
                                           thrown in jail. Are you the only
                                           reasonable one? There's no point
                                           arguing about what is reasonable.
                                           \_ You're talking with more than
                                              one person.  Anyway, what is
                                              wrong with it is that society
                                              has deemed 16 years old too
                                              young for sex with older men.
                                              If you don't like that you can
                                              a) deal with it, b) move to
                                              Thailand, or c) try to get the
                                              laws changed under the banner
                                              of the Child Rapist Party.  I
                                              don't hold out much hope for
                                              your option c), though.  Good
                                              luck with that and the therapy
                                              sessions.
                                              \_ You do realize that 16 is
                                                 fully legal in most of the
                                                 US already? So "society"
                                                 hasn't deemed any such thing,
                                                 only individual states?
                       2. Sex is not inherently harmful. Sex/love is a basic
                          human drive and doesn't cause psychological harm.
                          Rape etc. might. But sex != rape. Everyone is an
                          innocent virgin once. I would find a 40-something
                          with a teenager weird... but it's already legal
                          for 40+ to bang an 18 year old and that's also
                          weird. What's the actual harm?
                          \_ Sex is not love.  Love is not sex.  Once you
                             understand that the rest becomes clear.
                             \_ Why do you think I don't?
                                \_ from reading the rest of your pedantic
                                   ranting about why you think it is ok to
                                   have sex with children.  seek help.
                       3. Age difference alone isn't harmful and shouldn't
                          be criminalized above age 16.
                          \_ Why 16?  Why not 10?  Why not birth?  Age is the
                             only way society has to determine a general rule
                             that can be applied as law.
                       4. 16 year olds are legal anyway in tons of places so
                          I wouldn't need any legal help.

                          \_ Good luck in that Thai prison.  You still need
                             serious psychological help even if this whole
                             thing has been a multi-day troll.
                            \_ Explain this please:
                             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AOCWorldMap.png
                             http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
                               The US avg. is 16. Many countries allow even
                               lower and leave it to the court to decide if
                               there was something unreasonable going on.
                               \_ many countries are fucked up in lots of ways
                                  we should not seek to emulate.  "other
                                  countries are primitive fuck ups who let
                                  their children be raped so we should too!"
                                  is not a reasonable point.
                       \_ Dear Sir, I would like to help you. What is your
                          name and address, please?
        \_ I was hoping the law were more lenient.  My sister is five years
           younger than me, and now I have to wait till she reaches 21.
2007/6/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:47009 Activity:moderate
6/19    ABC News reports that average height in USA is shrinking (relative to
        other countries).  They mention health care, but fail to mention
        immigration.
        http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3293191
        \_ "Researchers said that one reason for Denmark's top ranking could
           be that the Dutch health-care system provides better care to
           children ..."  What does the Dutch health-care system have to do
           with people in Denmark???  (And this is coming from a big media
           company.)
        \_ "Researchers said that one reason for Denmark's top ranking could be
           that the Dutch health-care system provides better care to children
           ..."  What does the Dutch health-care system have to do with people
           in Denmark???  (And this is coming from a big media company.)
           \_ They are just being clueless.  It is true that Dutch people are
              fucking huge.  I'm 5'9" and everyone towers over me when I
              visit.
              fucking huge.  I'm 5'9" and everyone towers over me when I visit.
           \_ Are Dutch chicks fucking huge too?  That sounds really hot.
            \_ Do they have huge tits?  Really tall with huge tits would
               be hot.
            \_ Do they have huge tits?  Really tall chicks who look like
               eric with huge tits would be hot.
               \_ double EE cups
                   i wonder if she is Danish?
                  i wonder if she is Dutch?
            \_ Do they have huge tits?  Really tall chicks who look like eric
               with huge tits would be hot.
               \_ double EE cups i wonder if she is Dutch?
                  http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/17607/92081a1d
                  \_ Which Euro country has the biggest tits?
                  \_ HOT!!  Real or fake?
               \_ I once had a Danish female co-worker and she was hawt. She
                  was average height, though.
                 \_ DUTCH, fool.  The Netherlands and Daneland are different places.
                \_ I had sex once with a girl who's grandparents were
                   from the Netherlands.  Goddamn.
                  \_ DUTCH, fool.  The Netherlands and Deutchland are
                     different places.
                \_ I had sex once with a girl who's grandparents were from the
                   Netherlands.  Goddamn.
                 \_ I found a cartoon about hot Dutch girls.
                    http://tinyurl.com/32v8zc
                  \_ DUTCH, fool.  The Netherlands and Deutchland are different
                     places.
                     \_ NO SHIT, asshole. The dude who said "Dutch" got it
                        \_ fuck YOU dutch nazi appeaser.
                           I read Diary Of Anne Frank
                           i am onto you
                        wrong, not me. Denmark is the country with the huge
                        people. The Netherlands is the place with the health
                        care system.
                        \_ fuck YOU dutch nazi appeaser.  I read Diary Of Anne
                           Frank i am onto you wrong, not me. Denmark is the
                           country with the huge people. The Netherlands is the
                           place with the health care system.
                         \_ I AM fucking Dutch, the Dutch are huge (but I am
                            not)
                            The Danish may be tall too, but my relatives tell
                            me the Dutch are the tallest in Europe.
                            not) The Danish may be tall too, but my relatives
                            tell me the Dutch are the tallest in Europe.
                            \_ I'm Danish and 7'. My greatgrandmother was
                               Danish and 5'. Height is a function of genes and
                               diet. --erikred
                \_ Dutch chicks are tall, have huge tits and great bodies from
                   riding their bicycles everywhere, which they show off in
                   tight spandex pants. They hate the suburbs though :-(
                   \_ are there suburbs in dutchland?
                        \_ There are plenty of then in the netherlands, yes
                           My aunt & uncle just moved from the suburbs of
                           Amsterdam to the city.
           \_ And chernobyl
        \_ It also failed to mention too many video games and too much TV.
        \_ I absolutely agree that this has to do with immigration. Have you
           ever walked around the Mission District? I'm only 5'7" but I feel
           like a giant there.
           \_ You're all short. --erikred
        \_ What about average penis size in USA relative to other countries?
2007/6/19 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:47010 Activity:nil 80%like:47015
6/19    thanks psb
        http://www.njudahchronicles.com/2007/06/reader_mail_blocking_the_n_jud.html
        \_ Was it psb in that Prius?
2007/6/19-22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:47011 Activity:nil
6/19    Rudy Giuliani failed to show up for single meeting of Iraq Study Group
        because of fundraising commitments.  He was ejected from the panel.
        Media basically ignores story.
        http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-usrudy0619,0,2577021,print.story
        \_ The media ignores it for the same reason they love McCain.  They're

           both on the left side of the (R) party.  This isn't rocket science.
        \_ is he only Republican who has not been to Iraq?
           \_ Don't know, but the media seems to LUUUUURVE Rudy in a way
              they do with no other candidate.  I wonder if we should start
              calling him "Free Ride Rudy."
              \_ So I guess you missed the discussion about his position on
                 abortion?
                 \_ Nope.  They pretty much lurved him for that too.  Look,
                    if anyone else was running as the "WAR ON TERRAH"
                    candidate, and it came out that they blew off ALL
                    meetings about Iraq to raise money, their campaign
                    would likely be over...especially with all these
                    other Rs eager to prove they're "tougher than Bush."
                    But not for Free Ride Rudy!
        \_ In other news, Free Ride Rudy's SC campaign chairman indicted
           for conspiracy to distribute cocaine:
           http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/ravenel-indictment
2007/6/19-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:47012 Activity:kinda low
6/19    Bloomberg leaves GOP, probably as prelude to third party presidential
        run.  This will split R vote, leading inevitably to PRESIDENT HILLARY
        HAHAHAHAHA DOOOMMMMM!!!!
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/ap_on_el_pr/bloomberg_politics
        \_ Bloomberg is a RINO, won't he take more D votes than R?
        \_ being a RINO sounds great now.  Who'd want to be a real
           Republican?
           \_ Fo real, anyone else want to announce they're leaving that
              load of bull behind?
        \_ Yah, this was only the formal announcement of something we already
           knew.  Arnold will hopefully be next.
           \_ I'm sure it has nothing to do with the R party's current
              connotation with corruption and spectacular incompetence.
           \_ How will Arnold run for president?  That whole Constitution
              thing and all...
              \_ The Governator is trying to change the Constitutuion on that.
                 \_ Demolition Man!
              \_ When I said "Arnold will hopefully be next" I meant the next
                 to drop the pretense of being an R. -pp
        \_ Bloomwho?  No one is voting for Bloomberg and he already said
           flat out he isn't running now or ever.
           \_ Where did he say that?
              \- Bloomberg -> Henri IV
              \_ Talking to reporters about 2-3 days ago.
        \_ Bloomberg is whatever he thinks he is. He's going to run
           a-la Independent. You know how far that got Perot, and Anderson.
           He's was not even remotely Republican to begin with.
        \_ Then again, maybe not
           http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070620/pl_nm/bloomberg_dc
2007/6/19-22 [Uncategorized] UID:47013 Activity:nil
6/19    what happened to the free mag THE WAVE, home of SEANBABY?
2007/6/19-20 [Uncategorized] UID:47014 Activity:nil
6/15    [Thread advocating molesting children by adults purged after endless
        'debate' with wanna-be child rapist.]
2007/6/19-21 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:47015 Activity:nil 80%like:47010
6/19    thanks psb
        http://urltea.com/sxs (njudahchronicles.com)
2007/6/19-22 [Uncategorized] UID:47016 Activity:nil
6/19    3 flusher!  Call FEMA.  my all lentil diet
        isn't working out well.  or it's working REALLY well,
        depending on your point of view.
        \_ Isn't it great? -aspo
2007/6/19-22 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:47017 Activity:nil
6/19    Economist's View: Suburban Sprawl
        http://www.csua.org/u/iz5
2017/09/22 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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