6/16    Happy Father's Day!
        How many of you motd posters are parents?
        Parent: .
        Nope:
        Not that I know of...:

6/17    I really don't understand this 100MPG plug-in hybrid hype. If you
        charge the big battery up and drive only 5-10 miles in between
        charges and NEVER use the gasoline, wouldn't you technically have
        an infinite MPG vehicle? Do you see how lame it is to call it
        a 100MPG plug-in hybrid if your power source comes elsewhere?
        \_ URL for the 100MPG claim please?
           \_ http://www.calcars.org/calcars-news/364.html for one.
              Yes, it's lame. -tom
        \_ The way I interpret this is that for the Prius you still need
           the gas engine for acceleration.  The gas engine and elec.
           motor by itself is not powerful enough for all driving
           situation.  If you go 100% electric, you'll have a really
           low-powered car.  So instead of the elec. motor assisting
           the gas engine, you are doing the opposite.  Thus the 100MPG
           claim for the first 30-40 miles.  Yes, the power comes from
           other source, but it is easier to market it as MPG.  The
           average person has no clue how much electricity is really
           used in terms of driving or everyday usage.
           \_ yes, it's easier to market complete falsehoods.  "My commute
              is 50 miles including a 25 mile ferry ride, so I get 100MPG
              in my Prius!"  -tom
           \_ If that's the intention, the author should use phrases like "an
              equivalent of 100MPG".

6/17    Thanks a lot GWB for your fucking idiotic ethanol and free-market
        petro initiative:
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19276523
        \_ Stop encouraging the terrorists.
        \_ I still don't understand (well, actually I do, it's just that
           the reason is stupid) why we slap hefty tariffs on ethonal
           from Brazil, where they're able to produce it much more cheaply
           and efficiently (directly from sugar rather than corn.)  -John
           \_ I read that even their version is still not nearly as
              efficient as plain old gasoline while requiring huge amounts
              of land.
              \_ that is not a fair comparison.  We heavily subsidize petroleum
                 and coal industry that it's not even funny.  When I say
                 'subsidies,' I count relaxzation of tail gas and other
                 environmental regulation as a "subsidies."
           \_ Because the point of ethanol isn't to become "energy independent"
              the point is to shift massive amounts of taxpayer dollars to
              corporations like ADM.  But the message "We've figured out a
              way to enrich ADM shareholders" doesn't have the same catchy
              popular appear as "an energy independent America"
        \_ the hell?  there is NOTHING FREE-MARKET about this ethanol thing
           and I still don't understand all these so-called liberals who
           pride themselves been more intelligent than those from Bush
           Countries fell for it.  Fact:  right now, government subsides
           about $1 per gallon for fuel-grade ethanol.  Fact: we impose 18%
           tariff on ethanol imports.  IMHO, all these money goes to corn
           producers instead of true innovations bothers me.  This is why
           I don't believe this entire EthOH thing.

6/15    How unpatriotic Dems plan to kill the American auto industry:
        http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/16/democrats.radio.ap

6/13    Spielberg endorses Hillary.
        \_ How is this any suprise?  This Clintons, like Obama and Gore
           are owned by Jews and products of finance and media Jews.
           are owned by Jews and products of finance and media Jews. -jblack
        \_ [racist troll deleted]
        \_ [racist troll deleted, twice]
                \_ how is it racist to point out that the Democratic party
                   is wholly controlled by individuals who own the media
                   and sectors of finance, and who constitute a tiny fraction
                   of a tenth of a percent of the population?  I am telling
                   you who your master's are, even though you are too
                   blind to see it.
        \_ Why would *anyone* outside Hillary's campaign care?  Anyone who
           votes based on Spielberg's "endorsement" is too stupid to live.

6/16    Happy Father's Day!
        How many of you motd posters are parents?
        \_ The day that I become a parent is the day that I lose my
           weekends, sex, and freedom in general.
           \_ True, but I like it anyway.  (Actually, I find that if I help my
              wife around the house, I get plenty of sex.)
              \_ Do you both have a full time job outside the house?
                 \_ Yes, and 2 young children.  I've decieded to regularly
                    sacrifice my own lesuire time in order to help my wife be
                    happy.  It works out pretty well.
              \_ No kidding, sex is much more steady when married. -dad
                 \_ Despite != because  -John
           \_ True, and I hate it, and I knew it even before I became a
              parent.  But my wife insisted having kids.
        Parent: ...
        Nope:
        Not that I know of...: