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| 2007/6/14-19 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:46938 Activity:high |
6/13 Guess what liberal urbanists-- automobile is not going away! Boohoo!
Go ahead and cry you cry babies:
http://www.ti.org/vaupdate56.html
\_ the author clearly doesn't understand the concept of peak oil. -tom
\_ tom clearly didn't read #1 carefully. We've already tapped
and used up 1 out of 6-7 units of estimated oil on earth.
It may be true that the rest is expensive to extract but as
technology improves they'll be cheaper to extract again.
This explains why even though as oil gets harder and harder
to extract, our production is still keeping up with demand,
and the price/barrel of oil hasn't yet gone up the roof.
\_ http://www.ioga.com/PDF_Files/98%20to%20July%2006.pdf
\_ http://swivel.com/graphs/show/1000024
What do you call that?
\_ Look, I don't know when peak oil is going to happen. It
might have already happened, it might be five years away,
it might be 15. But it's not a whole lot more than that.
If you compare the marginal cost of extracting oil from
a 1950 Texas oil field (drill a hole and get a bucket),
with the cost and time required to build up infrastructure
to, for example, extract oil from the Candian oil sands,
it should be obvious how large the problem facing us is.
Technology is never going to make it as easy to get oil
from rocks as it is to get it from a well. Demand will
keep going up, and production will plateau. Then what?
The invisible hand won't solve this one for you, any more
than it solved the tree shortage problem on Easter Island.
-tom
\_ If history taught us anything, it's that making 'never'
predictions that don't actually follow from laws of
physics is stupid.
\_ Does it count as a law of physics that you can burn
oil but you can't burn sand? -tom
\_ You can't burn water either, but that doesn't
affect the viability of hydroelectric power.
\_ It does affect the viability of hydroelectric
power for use in passenger automobiles. -tom
\_ Are you saying shale oil is somehow magically
different and can't be used in cars? WTF!
\_ Uh, no, try to keep up. Water can't be
used in cars. Shale oil can be used, but
when you look at it on a BTU/kilo basis,
it's really not close to competitive with
well oil. -tom
\_ So when you said "you can burn oil but
can't burn sand" you were just being
dumb? Check.
\_ Uh, no, you still aren't getting it.
Well oil is *very easy to turn into
a fuel*. You can light it with a
match. Sand/rock infused with oil
*is not very easy to turn into a
fuel*. You need huge energy-intensive
operations to extract the usable
fuel source. The best technology
can hope to do is get the net energy
difference within an order of
magnitude. -tom
\_ the author's argument around point #2 that there *is* a
substitute for oil is very weak. nuclear is no substitute as
a vehicle fuel.
\_ Electric vehicles.
\_ Cars maybe, but theres the whole issue of switching the
infrastructure over, as well as battery life and vehicle
range.
But what about about planes? Without oil, commercial
aviation is dead.
\_ you forgot to mention plastics
\_ Blimps!
\_ I'm Blip Guy #1 Fan! You rock, Blimp Guy!
\_ You don't need that much additional infrastructure to
charge the vehicle in your garage with 110V or 240V
overnight, which is what most people will do. We do
need some new "electric stations", but they won't be as
needed as gas stations where everyone must go now.
\_ It is pretty funny that this article is only two years old and
most of its predictions are already wrong. Gasoline prices have
gone through the roof, people are driving less and the cites
are booming. The only one he might end up being right on is
the idea that there are good substitutes for gasoline: the
jury is still out on that one.
\_ We have nowhere near enough power for everyone to
plug in their electric car at home; and how do you
deal with long trips?
\_ Above already said we'd need a few stations, just
not nearly as many as now for those long trips.
\_ yes, and how would it work? You drive 100
miles, and then plug in and sit there for
two hours while your battery charges?
\_ That's where plug-in hybrid comes to play.
http://www.edrivesystems.com
\_ which requires gas.
\_ For daily commute, no it uses energy
from the electric grid. For the
occasional long trips or when you
forgot to plug-in, yes it uses energy
from gasoline.
\_ the electric grid requires gas.
\_ Check out point #2 in
http://www.edrivesystems.com/faq.html
\_ California's "clean electric
system" is predominantly
natural gas.
\_ Depends on which year
you're looking at:
http://www.pge.com/customer_service/bill_inserts/2007/mar.html
http://www.pge.com/customer_service/bill_inserts/2007/may.html
Anyway, natural gas is
even cleaner than coal,
which further makes the
faq's point.
\_ and further misses the
point that a plug-in
hybrid is dependent
on cheap oil.
\_ ???
\_ What? As I pointed
out a few posts
above, it depends on
oil only during the
occasional long
trips or when you
forget to plug-in.
It's not a complete
solution. Nobody
said it's a silver
bullet.
\_ That's why I said charging them overnight, when
the electricity demand is low currently.
\_ it wouldn't be low anymore if everyone were
charging their cars.
\_ Then good, higher percentage of the grid's
capacity will be utilized around the clock
instead of only during daytime.
\_ try the calculation.
\_ What calculation do you need to show
that higher usage will utilize more
capacity? Or do you think that higher
\_ What kind of calculation do you need
to demonstrate that higher usage will
utilize more capacity? Or do you have
some calculation to show that higher
usage will utilize less capacity?
\_ calculate the capacity required
to charge everyone's car at the
same time.
\_ Thanks to http://csua.com, here's what
I posted last October:
(http://csua.com/?entry=44738
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv quote vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
\_ Here's the math. Say during one full day's driving,
your car needs to output the equivalent of 200hp lasting
10min (very unlikely) and not re-capturing any of this
via re-generative brakes. That's 33.3hp-hr. Say you
charge your car between 10pm-8am. Then the charger
needs to provide power at 3.33hp. That's 2485.7W,
which is about the same as two hair driers. Of course,
since neither charging nor motor-driving are 100%
efficient, in reality you need more than two hair
driers' power to provide 200hp-10min's of driving.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ /quote ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Also see the wind energy post
from someone else in the same
thread.
See also the wind energy post by
someone else in the same thread.
\_ Wow, you are so afraid of honest debate that you just deleted my
message? I guess I will repost it, though if you are going to be
that childish, why not just post it on a read only blog?
I said that three of his four points have already been shown
to be wrong, even in the short two years since he posted this.
Oil prices have continued to rise, driving is down and the
cities are booming. The only one of his predictions that has
even a chance of coming true is the one about alternative
replacements for gasoline and the jury is still out on that one.
\_ I didn't delete your post, someone else did. Your silly
cost/barrel chart proves that the cost/barrel goes up, but
we all know that the cost/barrel has little correlation with
the cost/@the pump. Only time will tell who is right, but
throughout the history of mankind almost all apocalyptic
predictions (including the ones from Kunstler) have been
proven to be wrong. The market will self adjust, it always
does. Sorry but you urbanites are too dense to realize this.
\_ Sure, it will adjust and those that bet on the continuation
of cheap oil will go through a painful re-adjustment period.
\_ What does "the market will self-adjust" mean? When the
Norse colony in Greenland died out, that could be construed
as "the market" adjusting to poor resource usage. That's
great for the market. It wasn't so great for the Norse in
Greenland who starved to death. -tom
\_ It's curious you use the example of the Norse Greenland
colonies since such colonies were never economically
self-sufficient, had little economic reason to exist,
and certainly were not established for 'market reasons.'
\_ How is any of that relevant? The U.S. wasn't
established for market reasons and isn't economically
self-sufficient. The free market doesn't guarantee
the continued existence of the U.S., or continued
existence of U.S. culture, or the continued existence
of the people anywhere who rely on cheap fossil fuels.
The world won't end because of peak oil, but it is
entirely possible that societies, including ours,
could collapse as a result of it. -tom
\_ The US wasn't established for market reasons?
I bet to differ. It is the main reason it was
I beg to differ. It is the main reason it was
established. As for society, it existed before
oil and it will exist in some form after oil.
\_ Yes, it will. The only question is how much
pain it will take to get to the "after oil"
state. The more quickly we move now, the
less pain there will be. If we keep going ahead
with the assumption that technology will save
us, it will be extremely painful. -tom
\_ I ll tell you what tom. Are you willing to make
a concrete enough prediction about peak oil and
our society that you will be willing to put money on
it? Put it here on the motd, and if we truly disagree
about odds of collapse, one of us will eventually
make some money off this. If you can't make things
concrete enough for a bet it's just vague
it? Put it here on the motd, and if we truly
disagree about odds of collapse, one of us will
eventually make some money off this. If you can't
make things concrete enough for a bet it's just vague
doommongering. -- ilyas
\_ I see nothing wrong with vague doom mongering.
It can be kinda fun and sometimes someone posts
a link with interesting info. Everything doesn't
have to be a bet.
\_ I bet that nominal gasoline prices will double
in the next five years. Put $20 on it? -ausman
\_ I bet they won't. Here's $20 that says gas
will not be $8/gallon in 2012. --dim
\_ Average gasoline price in the US is $3.076
accoring to the DOE:
http://http://www.csua.org/u/h0a
So doubling would be $6.15. Still up for it?
-ausman
\_ It's $3.50 where I am. So how about
$7.00? I don't know the market in BFE.
\_ Nope. I am being very generous as
it is. -ausman
\_ is that an inflation adjusted doubling? If
not we'll see gas go up by nearly that
amount just due to inflation. sucker bet.
\_ you think prices nearly double in five
years based on inflation? What do you
think the inflation rate is?
\_ Dear ausman, if you are willing to put in
another $20, I ll take that bet along with
dim. -- ilyas
\_ $20 on $6.15/gallon according to DOE on
6/15/2012 it is. -ausman
\_ I'm already betting on peak oil; I have
investments in solar (on my house as well as
money in solar companies), and I'm moving money
to countries which are less oil-dependent (such
as Brazil). And I'm already making money off
it, thanks. -tom
\_ Funny, I am betting on peak oil by putting
money in the Oil Majors, who hold lots of
oil reserves, the value of I expect to
oil reserves, the value of which I expect to
soar.
\_ How about this, ilyas, why don't you
short oil futures for your side of the
bet. -tom
\_ pp wasn't me. For future reference
any thread where I sign my name, I will
consistently sign my name. -- ilyas
\_ fine. Now are you shorting oil
futures? -tom
\_ I don't think shorting oil futures
would be a wise move. Perhaps
you misunderstood the point of
my proposal. Making a bettable
prediction makes very crisp and
clear the exact nature of our
disagreement. We may both agree
oil is going to get more expensive,
but we may disagree about the
magnitude, etc. I don't just
mean 'put your money behind
energy sources you believe in,' but
'put your money behind specific
testable claims about peak oil
you are making.' If you aren't
willing to put money behind
a concrete claim, you aren't
really making any claims. -- ilyas
really making any claims. ausman's
bet is a good example of the
kind of thing I am talking about.
-- ilyas
\_ I'm not making claims, other
than that peak oil is a real
phenomenon and it will greatly
impact the U.S. at some point.
I don't have enough detailed
information to say whether
that's now or 20 years from
now. I wouldn't be willing
to get on ausman's side of the
above bet.
But I am confident enough in
the general trend to invest
significant personal finances
based on my understanding of
the issues. I guess you
think a silly MOTD bet would
be more meaningful. Whatever.
-tom
\_ The author does the usual sloppy job of trying to "debunk" peak
oil with stupid statements about known reserves in 1920, and
ignoring facts like how oil production in the USA has been declining
for 35 years straight now, even with vastly improved extraction
and exploration technology. Again, the problem is not "running
out of oil". There may still in fact be 7 trillion or 100 trillion
or 100 quadrillion barrels of recoverable oil on the planet. The
problem is that we can't pump it up quickly or producing it is a net
energy loser. The end result is less net energy available for our
growing economy. A simple analogy would be trying to get rich by
stealing gold from Fort Knox 1 gram at a time. Even though there
might be billions of dollars sitting in the vault, you'll never get
rich this way. |
| 2007/6/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46939 Activity:nil |
6/13 Robbin Williams-- totally annoying. I'm boycotting all of his movies. |
| 2007/6/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46940 Activity:high |
6/13 tom holub, are you related to dean kunstler?
\_ uh, what? -tom |
| 2007/6/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46941 Activity:nil |
6/13 Spielberg endorses Hillary. Jews & Democrats conspiracy no
longer a myth. |
| 2007/6/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46942 Activity:nil |
6/13 Ross the Intern is gay. Flamingly gay. |
| 2007/6/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46943 Activity:low |
6/13 "It does fit a pattern that we see throughout the region, which is
that when you see things moving towards success, or when you see signs
of success, that there are acts of violence."
--Tony Snow
\_ This explains why no one has thrown a punch at Tony Snow. |
| 2007/6/14 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:46944 Activity:nil |
6/13 Watch this real 4x4 (not your SUV) climb a rock - vertically.
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=451622&cache=1
Stupid spectators though. |
| 2007/6/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46945 Activity:nil |
6/13 Does anyone know the name of this hot model? Thanks
http://www.shrani.si/pics/120176-3126106.jpg (NSFW) |
| 2007/6/14 [Recreation/Humor] UID:46946 Activity:nil |
6/13 some of these are really funny
http://www.carpsplace.com/spire
'hansi, the girl who loved swastikas'
\_ locked down now. |
| 2007/6/14-18 [Recreation/Dating] UID:46947 Activity:nil |
6/14 http://youtube.com/watch?v=fUCxza768sw Welch's Grape Juice Commercial. Too cute or too disgusting? cute: ... disgusting: \_ http://youtube.com/watch?v=XXGaqXCmPsc \_ Neither. What's so special about it? I don't get it. \_ "It's also very good for you too." Where's the grammar police? \_ Now this is the disgusting one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GhfCZWGzX0c \_ don't watch commercials: . |
| 2007/6/14-19 [Recreation/Activities] UID:46948 Activity:nil |
6/14 Is cron dead? My cron job hasn't been running since yesterday morning.
Thx.
\_ You mean it's worked for you before? As far as I know many of the
system cron jobs on soda don't get run. Wall log rotation and
locatedb are just two examples.
\_ Probably because cron isn't actually running.
\_ My job last ran around 5am yesterday. -- OP
\_ Now (6/15) It's running again. Someone must have fixed it.
Thx. -- OP |
| 2007/6/14-19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:46949 Activity:kinda low |
6/14 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/washington/14diplo.html Hamas routing larger Fatah security forces, may take over Gaza territory from Palestian unity government. Fear is that Gaza will become a "full terrorist state". Abbas to dissolve unity government, call for new elections, buying undetermined amount of time where Hamas is not officially in power. \_ Hamas is won the election fair and square. It is Abbas, USA, Israel and other nations who really need to get over the fact that Hamas won. \_ Does "getting over the fact that Hamas won" imply that we should resume paying them 100s of millions of dollars? 'Cause, you know, I think it would be pretty dumb to fund their war against Israel. \_ If "democracy in Middle East" is something we are preaching, then, we should stick with it. We've toppled democratatically elected government in the past (Iran, Guatamola, Chili), none of them turned out to be too well. Further, we should of given Hamas a chance. Many political groups use their radical rhetric to win power. Many of them, once the responsibility of running a country cast upon them, they become a lot more reponsible. If you have any clue, you would know that Isareli's biggest problem is not some strong state which seek for its destruction, rather, anarchy and weak governments which have little controls over their radical elements. Unfortuantely, neither Israeli government nor USA seems to understand that; each military incursion only weakens PLO/Lebonese governments even further. \_ And executions of their political opposition in the street is really democratic. But you're right, let's just move on and get over it and send more money to their Swiss bank accounts and to fund their terrorism against Israel and now their own people. You're on message, troll. \_ After decades of undermining the PLA, blowing up its buildings, and assassinating its leaders, Isreal is shocked, just shocked to watch the government collapse. You reap what you sow. \_ attack on Israel per se is not "terrorism." Some of Israeli tactics are not exactly abeit by IRC/UN standard neither. The truth is, we don't know how Hamas is going to react if Hamas actually had a chance to run a government. My feeling is that they would of be so consumed by the daily grind that little action would of taken against the Israeli. What we are doing (boycotting Hamas' legitiment government) is undermining our message to the greater Middle East. We again and again supports absolute monarchies (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan), waging/waged war agaist countried where oil money is actually belong to the state instead of royal families (Iraq and Iran). Now, we are underming legitiment Palestinian government just because we don't like them. If you are a young, unemployed Arab teenager male, what would you believe? All these things USA is doing is for the sake of democracy? or USA just a big attack dog for Israel and in the mean time extract petro from Musleum land? \_ After decades of undermining the PLA, blowing up its buildings, and assassinating its leaders, Isreal is shocked, just shocked to watch the government collapse. You reap what you sow. \_ Some Palestinians are grimly joking that this is the Two Party solution mentioned elsewhere. \_ http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/001131.html http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/001130.html Some good political cartoons over the last few days. \_ This word "good", I don't think it means what you think it means. \_ So few on the motd have any sense of humor, that I can't take your opinion seriously. I liked them. -!pp \_ But they were elected, so we should let them take power by force to show our support of Democracy. \_ Yeah, see, this is where that whole binary thought-process gets you. \_ it's matter of pricinple. You can't undermining a democratically elected government on one hand and claiming you are building one in Iraq at the same time. \_ Mushroom cloud over major American city >>> free elections F4T4l1TY!!!11 \_ Democratize or I'll shoot you. \_ This is what Israel has been aiming for all along: http://files.tikkun.org/current/article.php?story=20070616224228533 |
| 2007/6/14-19 [Uncategorized] UID:46950 Activity:nil |
6/14 I love this commercial
TRIBAL ARMBAND
http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/commercials/4272 |
| 2007/6/14-16 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Celebrity/ParisHilton, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46951 Activity:nil 66%like:46934 |
6/14 I figured out where motd boob guy went
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/fashion/14reduction.html
\_ I, for one, fully support American effort to remove any chance of
feelings of embarassment in our children. We must shelter them from
reality until they are at least 26!
\_ Paris Hilton is 26. Clearly your plan hasn't worked. Let's
push that back to 30 and revisit in 4 years.
\_ *shudder* I can now see Paris Hilton relating to the age of
sheltering much as Mickey Mouse relates to length of copy-
right.
\_ So you figure 75+ years after her death is a good number?
\_ Must be all that hormone in the cow milk we drink. |
| 2007/6/14-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46952 Activity:nil |
6/14 this is AMAZING
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mJh5kvjdmOE
\_ Keywords: worm, ass, NSFW
And no, I didn't watch it. I figured it out from the comments.
\_ Great, so motd boob guy is now motd butt worm guy?
\_ I'd rather have motd boob guy around instead of
motd butt worm guy. how about you? |
| 2007/6/14-19 [Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:46953 Activity:low |
6/14 Look Mr. Urbanite. Many people don't want your urban lifestyle.
I prefer to trade an hour of traffic for 12 hours of country
living serenity. I grew up in Plano TX with strip malls and
office parks and I LIKE IT ok? Stop imposing your beliefs on
others. Fucking communist.
\_ there may have been a time where Plano TX was a sustainable
lifestyle, with its gas guzzling a beautiful mini-malls-
however that time has passed. The rest of us live in the
present and in reality. Won't you join us?
\_ ??? s/Many people/I/g
\_ I realize this is a troll, but wouldn't you rather have
a nice quiet train speedily take you to your country castle?
Or is sitting in a mass of motionless cars filled with toxic
fumes part of your fantasy? Also, you could always go get
a job in Tracy or wherever it is you are thinking.
\_ nice quiet train? like BART? with all the rifraff and homeless
folks making noise and stinking up the place?
\_ You must be riding a very different bart then am I. Oh
wait... you DON'T ride bart.
\_ I've ridden BART on/off to work for about 10 years. Some
days are good days. Other days are far worse than mere
"rifraff and homeless folks making noise" the above person
is complaining about. Maybe you got the special executive
bart car the public isn't allowed to ride?
\_ Maybe I've lived in cities and don't fear the other.
\_ You're a superior form of life. Yawn. Come back to
reality for a bit and you'll see how things really
are. And oh hey, here's a shocker for you: you are
not the only person to have ever lived in a city.
\_ Bart is not a problem. No really, I've had
very few problems with people on Bart being
obnoxious to a point where it bothered me.
Much less so than, say, obnoxious drivers on
the roads I drive. Now the bus systems around
here on the other hand, they can get pretty bad.
There's some bus lines I just refuse to take
because the psycho percentage is just too damn
high.
\_ Maybe I've lived in cities and don't fear the
other. I've never had a problem on the bus.
\_ right... so we need a better transit system... which was the
point. Your prisons are in your mind.
Sitting? crowded trains have most of the folks standing.
Speedily? When theres no traffic, the train is 1/2 to 1/3 as
fast as driving.
The biggest problem with public transit is ... the public ride it.
- Regular Bart Commuter
\_ I ride BART everyday and I usually get a seat. I wish
they were a bit cleaner, but I like sharing the car with
my fellow citizens, many of whom are cute girls. Maybe
I am just not the misanthrope you are.
\_ So you're one of those guys that harasses the girls so
much other people have to intervene?
\_ One time a guy near me spent the entire trip masturbating
through his sweatpants. Maybe it was motd boob guy. There was
a 10yo city kid who found this quite amusing. See, that kid
would never experience that if it weren't for public transit.
\_ I have seen people masturbating and even getting a blowjob
in their cars. At least on the train, you might be able
to complain to someone and get them to stop.
\_ Complain to someone? I'm from Plano TX. I shot his
balls off!
\_ it is quite sad that there many who grow up in urban
areas living like rats in cage. Most of the US's pathologies
can be attributed to the fact that a segment of the
population who are a byproduct of that culture
now has control of the media and government and financial
now has control of the media, government and financial
institutions.
\_ No, people living in urban environments GET OUT and
talk to people who aren't exactly like them. The cage is
outer suburbia. Yeah it's a big cage, but it is still
a cage.
\_ You are right, those suburban Texans have gotten control
of the government and made a huge mess of things. What is
it about suburban lifestyle that causes people to end up
so violent and selfish??
\_ Live however you like, just stop asking the rest of us to
subsidize your wasteful lifestyle.
\_ But people like him subsidize your precious BART.
\_ they don't, actually
\_ they do, actually. BART cost billions to build and
is subsidized hundreds of millions a year.
\_ And so are freeways. -tom
\_ Plus freeways take up more land than BART tracks.
\_ And they are much more useful. Anyway I never
claimed they weren't subsidized, I responded
to the "wasteful lifestyle" hypocrite.
\_ I am a hypocrite because I use less
resources than you? What??? How is
a freeway "much more useful" than
BART. You know that BART carries
many more passengers per lane than
a freeway does, right?
\_ I don't know that you use less than me.
Your life is wasteful, shouldn't you
kill yourself? Stop having children
if you're so worried about this.
Anyway the hypocrisy was about the
subsidizing.
Freeways carry many more people than
BART per day and the roads go
everywhere.
\_ Freeways carry less people per acre
\_ Freeways carry fewer people per acre
of land and per dollar spent and the
roads only "go everywhere" because
ridiculous amounts of money have been
spent on them. It is probably not
possible to live in America without
using something that is subsidized,
so by your logic, we should all just
either kill ourselves, or shut up and
accept the fate determined for us by
our politicians.
\_ Automobile drivers recieve a much larger subsidy than
rapid transit drivers.
rapid transit riders.
\_ So stop subsidizing both and let's see what happens.
BART will collapse and driving will be more expensive.
\_ BART collapsing would be a good thing; then we could
get a decent rail system in the Bay Area. -tom
\_ I doubt it. Since driving a car to work would end
up costing quite a bit more than BART, I doubt
BART would collapse. Home prices in the suburbs
might collapse though.
\_ But see, BART doesn't go to most people's
destinations or start from most people's locations.
People generally drive to and from it in some form.
Sure I'll use BART if it happens to make sense in
instance foo but in general it doesn't. People
could drive much cheaper cars if it came to that.
\_ I walk to BART and then walk to work from BART.
More people could do that. But yeah, cheaper
cars are a start. If everyone drove little
carts that got 100 mpg, that would help, but
those carts don't go so fast, so people would
have to live closer together. Then it wouldn't
be the glorious suburbs anymore, would it?
\_ You can go really fast on little motorbikes
or trikes. I guess the issue is mainly
safety when you have to share the road with
huge trucks. So limiting vehicle weights
in urban areas could help. Commercial
vehicles could be limited also... giant
trucks are often used when smaller ones
would suffice. Smaller ones would have
better performance and efficiency and at
worst you need to hire another driver.
Long haul should use rail a lot more.
Those big trucks damage the roads more
than anyone else anyway. Or maybe they
should use... blimps!
\_ Now you are talking! This is a sci-fi
future I would want to live in...
\_ And they should force all the little
vehicles to be bright safety orange or
yellow. I'm sure it would save a life
now and then, and accidents slow down
everyone else on the road. So allowing
dull colors and blinding chrome bits etc
is pretty pointless for the sake of
vanity. And let's see, since the cars
are so small they could have rail cars
for them pretty easy, for long trips,
just stack them up. And parking could
be designed for them and be much more
dense. You could stack them with
machines, with standardized sizing
and use that on those rail cars too.
And the blimps could carry the same
rail cars. And houses could be built
with much more efficient garages and
such. Oh man.
\_ Did you ever see The Fifth Element?
\_ Didn't it have flying cars?
\_ They promised us flying cars
decades ago and I'm still
waiting.
\_ I have nice quiet trains... -Smug John |
| 2007/6/14-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:46954 Activity:nil |
6/14 I eagerly await the rise of MOTD BUTT WORM GUY
\_ how about motd cosplay boob guy
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/46932953
\_ Geez, I thought it was a guy wearing fake boobs. |
| 2007/6/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Recreation/Dating] UID:46955 Activity:very high |
6/14 I can relate having known a few guys who were not just slightly gay
but just down right effeminate who sexually have as much straight
sex as any guy out there. I mean it's all relative. psb may actually
BE gay, but if his sexual relationships have been 80% straight and
20% gay then it just shows he can relate sexually to both genders
right? I think thats pretty cool myself. I often think that if
more macho jocks had at least one gay experience they might be
more romantic and all around just better in bed. I'm sure many
might disagree though. I would love to have sex with a guy
like psb!
\_ we know you would, asshole.
\_ we know you would, kchang.
\_ we know you would, tom holub.
\- yikes. ok, no more csua events for me. --psb
\_ You obviously don't know much about macho jocks and frat parties...
\_ One of my supercute gay friends had sex with dozens of "straight"
macho frat jock types in high school. |
| 2007/6/14-16 [Uncategorized] UID:46956 Activity:nil |
6/14 Kurt Waldheim dies at 88. True to the last. -John
\_ Heil Austrian Kurt. |
| 2007/6/14-19 [Uncategorized] UID:46957 Activity:nil |
6/14 Any reason to choose one of these over the other: NetNewsWire
or Bloglines? Thanks. |
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