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2007/6/11 [Recreation/Activities] UID:46904 Activity:nil
6/10    something magical happened today, re: My Rock-Hard Teats.
        I was running up the stairs, and they bounced. At first I thought
        I was imagining things, but then I tried it again. Yup, confirmed
        Chrissy Snow action. And here's the weirdest part: from the inside,
        the bouncing feels almost as if some kind of fluid is being displaced.
        Very queer, indeed. It's as if my breasts have been implanted with
        liquid orbs, if you can imagine something that fantastically
        bizarre.  I'm wearing a slutty top today (surprise!) and they look
        YOOJ. They're "fluffing," as predicted, and the volume is starting
        to expand horizontally.
2007/6/11 [Uncategorized] UID:46905 Activity:nil
6/10    PEOPLE ARE SMART
2007/6/11-13 [Recreation/Dating] UID:46906 Activity:kinda low
6/11    Judge: No 10-year sentence for teen sex
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070611/ap_on_re_us/teen_sex_case
        \_ He's still in jail as the DA appeals. WTF? Best comment on this
           whole case so far: "If we jailed every teenager who had sex, who
           would serve us our burgers and fries?"
           \_ That's why someone is trying to pass the amnesty program for
              illegal immigrants.
              illegal immigrants.  We need to keep the supply of teens.
              \_ ...you want oral sex from illegal immigrants?
                 \_ with a teen and you'll get your 10 year sentence and no
                    one will write sympathetic articles about you, perv.
        \_ "Not good enough, said Wilson's lawyer, B.J. Bernstein."
           There's the problem, he'll never beat the oral sex rap with old
           BJ representing him.
2007/6/11 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:46907 Activity:very high 57%like:46915
6/11    (Questionable study says) Death penalty deters homicide (AP story)
        http://www.star-telegram.com/national_news/story/132840.html
        \_ Oh but this is so politically incorrect ......
        \_ `The studies' conclusions drew a philosophical response from a
           well-known liberal law professor and death penalty critic, Cass
           Sunstein ...... "Abolitionists or others, like me, who are
           skeptical about the death penalty haven't given adequate
           consideration to the possibility that innocent life is saved by the
           death penalty."'
           Mocan: "The results are robust, they don't really go away," he
           said. "I oppose the death penalty. But my results show that the
           death penalty [deters], What am I going to do, hide them?"
        \_ http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=928649
           "We address this error by focusing on the subset of
           homicides that have been defined statutorily as
           capital-eligible to provide a more sensitive indicator of
           the deterrent effects of the death penalty. We use a
           public-use data archive based on police descriptions of
           homicides from 1976-2003 to construct rates of potentially
           death-eligible killings. We estimate that less than 25% of
           total criminal homicides are eligible for the capital
           sanction under the range of current state statutes. We find
           no changes over time in the rate of these capital-eligible
           homicides in death penalty states, despite fluctuations in
           capital punishment over time. "
           \_ The vast command of homicide law possessed by an average
              potential murderer combined with these findings is sure to
              debunk the study in OP's link!  A more serious objection would
              be to point out that no purely statistical study can determine
              effect, period. -- ilyas
2007/6/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46908 Activity:low
6/10    "To sanction such presidential authority to order the military to
        seize and indefinitely detain civilians, even if the President
        calls them 'enemy combatants,' would have disastrous consequences for
        the constitution and the country," the court panel said.
        http://www.csua.org/u/iwc (URL updated with more recent version)
        \_ No worries, the USSC will give the POTUS peace of mind.
        \_ I guess we could arrest Tony Blair and call him 'enemy combatant'
           and lock him up forever.  Since the first thing we do will be
           strip him of any personal belongings, there is no way he can prove
           he is Tony Blair.  We can then use all sort of "techniques" to
           make him confess that he is a terrorist... hmm...
2007/6/11-13 [Uncategorized] UID:46909 Activity:nil
6/10    worst kids cartoon ever
        http://youtube.com/watch?v=aRGgjb0xmxo
2007/6/11-13 [Recreation/Food] UID:46910 Activity:nil
6/11    Cal dorm food is good!
        http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2007/04/12_dining.shtml
        All-you-can-eat sushi bar?  How can the dining commons afford that?
        \_ There's no fish in it, I'm sure. Cal dorm food is the worst dorm
           food I ever had.
           \_ I attended both SJSU and Cal.  Dorm food in SJSU was better.
              (But that was 18yrs ago.)
        \_ I've generally found that if sushi is all-you-can-eat, it's not
           worth eating.
           \_ Todai's sushi is not that bad.
              \_ It's not good, either.
2007/6/11-13 [ERROR, uid:46911, category id '18005#3.32125' has no name! , , Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46911 Activity:nil
6/11    The Politics of Personality Destruction, why we elect phonys for POTUS
        http://nymag.com/news/politics/32864
2007/6/11 [Uncategorized] UID:46912 Activity:nil
6/11    TIME MACHINE!
2007/6/11-13 [Uncategorized] UID:46913 Activity:nil
6/11    Safari on Windows?  huh?
        \_ Why not?
2007/6/11-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:46914 Activity:moderate
6/11    Leopard shipping in October.
        Basic version, $129.
        Premium version, $129.
        Business version, $129,
        Enterprise version $129.
        Ultimate version, $129.
        LOSE A TURN, $0
        \_ Doesn't make vista look too bad, $129 for a once a year upgrade..
           \_ FYI, 10.4 was released in 2005, and 10.3 was released in
              2003.
        \_ Why so many versions when they are all priced the same?
           \_ What is in it that is worth buying a whole new OS instead of
              them releasing it as a free patch?
                 \_ In 10.5, the entire OS will be 64 bit and will support
                    ZFS. It also has a new finder, the automatic backup
                    system, multiple desktops, an updated bootcamp (alt.
                    OS booting), better support for core duo procs, &c.
                    All of this is a bit much to make available as a free
                    update.
                    \_ really?  ZFS?  64 bit?  really? i personally don't
                       think anyone really needs 64 bit unless you're
                                                  \- your brain has personally
                                                     been classified as 2 bit.
                       modelling the big bang, but macs are all 64 bit now?
                       really?
                       \_ ZFS will be available, though it won't be the
                          default (if reports are to be believed). All G5s
                          and Intel Core 2 Duo based Macs are 64bit afaik.
                          I think that most people who edit large video
                          files will welcome the 64bit support.
              \_ No idea, I run Linux.  I was just saying that a $130 upgrade
                 every [2] years costs more than XP->Vista over 6 years.  Of
                 course, I was trying to say this in a somewhat amusing fashion\
       \_ Why so many versions when they are all priced the same?
                 course, I was trying to say this in a somewhat amusing fashion
                 \_ How often do you keep the same computer for 6 years?
                    Remember these are macs, so the upgradability suffers.
                    I tend to buy a new computer every 3 years or so (and
                    gift/sell the old computer to someone who is less of
                    a geek than me) and hey look, new os!
                    \_ Every 6 to 8 years.  Unless you're playing FPS at
                       high-res or flight sims or something you don't need
                       more.  It takes about 6+ years for enough parts to
                       break or simply rust out enough to be worth replacing
                       the whole thing.
                       \_ Try thinking back to 2001.  It's unlikely you
                          are still using a 2001 computer.
                          \_ Nonsense.  I bought a new computer 14 months ago.
                             My previous computer was from around 1998.
                             \_ Really?  What's the spec of your 1998 computer?
                 \_ MS wants to upgrade their OS on a 3-year cycle; they just
                    were way behind schedule with Vista.
               \_ Why so many versions when they are all priced the same?
                  \_ It's a joke, son.  Laugh.
           \_ I make funny.
              \_ Wow, Steve has a soda account?
2007/6/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:46915 Activity:high 57%like:46907
6/11    Death penalty deters homicide (AP story)
        http://www.star-telegram.com/national_news/story/132840.html
        (If you have comments on the study, make your comments below, don't
        alter the OP.)
        \_ Oh but this is so politically incorrect ......
        \_ `The studies' conclusions drew a philosophical response from a
           well-known liberal law professor and death penalty critic, Cass
           Sunstein ...... "Abolitionists or others, like me, who are
           skeptical about the death penalty haven't given adequate
           consideration to the possibility that innocent life is saved by the
           death penalty."'
           Mocan: "The results are robust, they don't really go away," he
           said. "I oppose the death penalty. But my results show that the
           death penalty [deters], What am I going to do, hide them?"
        \_ http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=928649
           "We address this error by focusing on the subset of
           homicides that have been defined statutorily as
           capital-eligible to provide a more sensitive indicator of
           the deterrent effects of the death penalty. We use a
           public-use data archive based on police descriptions of
           homicides from 1976-2003 to construct rates of potentially
           death-eligible killings. We estimate that less than 25% of
           total criminal homicides are eligible for the capital
           sanction under the range of current state statutes. We find
           no changes over time in the rate of these capital-eligible
           homicides in death penalty states, despite fluctuations in
           capital punishment over time. "
           \_ The vast command of homicide law possessed by an average
              potential murderer combined with these findings is sure to
              debunk the study in OP's link!  A more serious objection would
              be to point out that no purely statistical study can determine
              effect, period. -- ilyas
        \_ The problem is that the presentation of the study if used as a
            pro-death penalty argument neglects two major factors:  first,
            the objective logistical impossibility of ensuring that no
            innocent persons are executed, and the entirely subjective
            question as to whether it's right or wrong for a collective to
            decide on life or death.  -John
           pro-death penalty argument neglects two major factors:  first, the
           objective logistical impossibility of ensuring that no innocent
           persons are executed, and the entirely subjective question as to
           whether it's right or wrong for a collective to decide on life or
           death.  -John
           \_ Those are legitimate issues to debate.  However, critics commonly
              say of the death penalty that it's not a deterrent.  I'd be
              interested to see how this compares to (say) life without parole
              (which is a sentence I'm increasingly seeing as favorable to the
              death penalty). -emarkp
              \_ I personally feel the "death penalty as a deterrent" point is
                 as irrelevant as the "death penalty as a disposal" or "death
                 penalty as a punishment" arguments.  That was kind of what
                 I was getting at.  -JOhn
                 \_ If you don't believe in the DP, then you won't find any
                    pro-DP points with merit.  Just like abortion, God
                    existing/religion, evolution, and gun control, some issues
                    are not determined by logic, reason, statistics, facts, etc
                    but by people's personal philosophies and feelings.  And
                    that is ok.  We are not robots or computers and should not
                    always guide or measure society by pure logic and reason.
                    \- that's not true. i went from pro-DP to anti. although
                       i wasnt very strong pro and an not strong-anti,
                       for example i think while it is on the books, it's
                       resonable to ask for it in some cases, like timothy
                       mcveigh. i think it is too bad robert hanssen and and
                       alderidge ames didnt get the death penalty. if it was
                       more fairly applied, i might have switched back to pro.
                       my position: it is ok per constitution. i dont think
                       the cost of DP is that much of an issue. it's worth
                       researching the deterrence question ... like maybe
                       we can have DP for while collar crime above $10m and
                       see if it is detweent ... and i suppose society has
                       see if it is deterent ... and i suppose society has
                       the right to "take life". but the "machinery of
                       death" runs in a really disturbing way ... like non-
                       functioning electric chairs, leathal injections
                       incompetently administered to more subtle things like
                       statistical biases of death certified juries. but by
                       far the biggest thing is the disparate application.
                       it's like talking about the draft or school vouchers:
                       the details matter. i were king i would put many
                       people to death. and society would be better off
                       for it ... at least for the first 6mos. then it might
                       get out of control. french rev and all that.
                       \_ I think your last line is the real issue.  What is a
                          true DP offense?  Who decides?  How can we be sure?
                          I'm perfectly ok with most folks getting life in
                          prison because there are too many times where a
                          death row inmate is found innocent, often after
                          years in prison.  But I've got no problem putting
                          someone like Manson and numerous others where there
                          can be no doubt and no concept of rehabilitation on
                          the chair and frying them.  And yes I agree the
                          chairs should work, procedures should be followed,
                          etc, but if it takes a few extra zots to off a
                          Charles Manson or he goes out suffering I'm not going
                          to shed any tears over it.
                          \_ And this is why I'm neither Pro- or Anti-DP: I
                             view it as a tool, and as such I want it to work
                             work reliably and well when needed, but I don't
                             want it applied to every situation (cf. Maslow,
                             hammer, nails). I'm not pro- or anti-screwdrivers,
                             either. --erikred
2007/6/11-15 [Industry/Jobs] UID:46916 Activity:high
6/11    Mid-range Unix/Linux sysadmin job available on campus, working with
        the Math, Physics, and other scientific departments within L&S.
        Apply through the crappy campus jobs system
        http://jobs.berkeley.edu, job #006645.  -tom
        \_ What is the salary range? What would it be for a senior?
           \_ It's a PA III job; realistic starting salary
              (up to mid-point of PA III range) is $58-$82K.  A senior
              sysadmin would be PA IV, starting at $70-$100K.  -tom
              \_ $85k mid point for a senior sysadmin?  What real senior or
                 even most mid level unix people would take that job?
                 Seriously, those are the rates?  Wow....
                 \_ No, $100K is the midpoint, but at the university it's
                    hard to get hired above the midpoint, so I avoid listing
                    the entire salary range for the position.  -tom
                 \_ No, $100K is the midpoint of PA IV, but at the university
                    it's hard to get hired above the midpoint, so I avoid
                    listing the entire salary range for the position.  -tom
                    \_ $100k for a senior unix person is still really low.
                       Is there some other non-obvious benefit to working
                       there?
                       \_ Why do you say $100K is really low? Most salary
                          calculators have $100K as about right, even for
                          SFBA. What do you think it should pay in order
                          to be competitive? $180K?
                          \_ The calculators always come in low.  If your
                             salary is spot on with a calculator you're
                             underpaid.
                             \_ That has not been my experience and I have
                                supervised people, so I have knowledge of
                                dozens of peoples real salaries over the
                                last five years. What industry are you in?
                                \_ Tech industry.  Maybe your company just
                                   pays low.  Do you target "the 50% mark" for
                                   hires?  You'll get "50% quality" people.
                                   \_ In my experience, the best quality
                                      people aren't the ones primarily
                                      motivated by high salaries.  -tom
                                      \_ Your experience seems limited to a
                                         place where all salaries are low so
                                         of course you don't meet quality
                                         people who can command a higher
                                         salary.  They never applied.  If you
                                         can truly get quality people with low
                                         salary offers then more power to you
                                         but from your comment about how it
                                         would be better if it was easier to
                                         get rid of the dead weight that does
                                         not seem to be the case.
                                         \_ I worked in the industry for
                                            over 8 years, so no, my experience
                                            is not limited to UC.  And the
                                            issues of hiring new good people
                                            and getting rid of old dead weight
                                            are completely separate.  -tom
                       \_ There are really awesome retirement benefits.
                          So good that you don't need to contribute to
                          a 401k, so that is worth another 15% or so.
                          \_ I don't think this is true.  The mandatory
                             contribution is not enough especially with the
                             recent performance since they outsourced the
                             fund management.  While if you work at UC for
                             a really long time you do get a pension-like
                             compensation, "long time" is the key phrase.
                             In addition to the generally higher salary,
                             other companies often provide 401k-matching
                             and whatnot.  I think the advantage is the
                             campus culture/environment.  Most of my
                             coworkers can take a day off or work from home
                             on short notices when their child is sick and
                             such.
                             \_ It is the pension that really rocks. It is
                                worth quite a bit, if you do the math, but
                                yes, you have to plan to be at the UC for
                                most of your career for it to make sense.
                                At least 20 years. As for taking a day off
                                when your child is sick, isn't that true for
                                most employers?
                                \_ Okay, a sick child may be a bad example.
                                   But in general, the flexibility of a
                                   university job is superior to most US
                                   businesses.  While pension for a lifer
                                   is certainly a good chunk of money one
                                   can depend on, the higher earning while
                                   working at non-UC can be well-invested
                                   to close this gap.  Oh, and I guess job
                                   security can also be considered an
                                   advantage.
                                   \_ Also: Generally UC jobs are 40 hours
                                      per week or thereabouts.  Plus you're
                                      working for an institution with a
                                      meaningful mission, and you're not
                                      going to get outsourced to Bangalore.
                                                                 \_Bengaluru
                                      Make sure you're comparing apples to
                                      apples.  -tom
                                      \_ No one has ever been laid off from
                                         UC?
                                         \_ Layoffs are exceedingly rare. -tom
                                            \_ Much to the dismay of the
                                               taxpayers :-)
                                               \_ Frankly, I think the
                                                  organization would be better
                                                  off if staff had less
                                                  "tenure," but I don't see
                                                  it changing any time soon.
                                                    -tom
                                         \_ Are we distinguishing between
                                            layoffs and firings?  I knew a
                                            woman at UC that was being fired.
                                            She had over a year notice.  Not
                                            only that, but she had access to
                                            employee records, including her
                                            own!  When someone went to retrieve
                                            it from her, she went into a room
                                            with her own file relatively full,
                                            closed the door, then later came
                                            out with the file, no longer as
                                            full.  Obviously, something is
                                            broken, but without a central
                                            campus-wide HR, that's not gonna
                                            happen anytime soon.
                                            \_ Stripped her own file?  Cool.
                                               Anyone actually do anything
                                               about that or is that the one
                                               year notice thing?
                                      \_ I think there will be a lot more
                                         outsourcing, even of gov't jobs,
                                         in the form of contracts to
                                         provide services (e.g. storage,
                                         CPU, web hosting, etc.). IT
                                         managers want you to buy services
                                         off of a menu and the fact that
                                         people in Bangalore are 90% of
                                                   \-Bengaluru
                                         the operations providing the
                                         service is not relevant. The only
                                         safe gov't jobs are DOD and DOE
                                         jobs. I wouldn't lump UC in with
                                         those.
                                         \_ No, DoD jobs are not safe
                                            either.  I know >3 DoD
                                            people who have got booted,
                                            and my acquaitence base is
                                            not very wide.
                                            \_ Fired for sucking or their
                                               division laid off?
                                            \_ DoD jobs are safe from
                                               *outsourcing*. It's
                                               possible the work can go
                                               away entirely, but that's
                                               something else. Any jobs
                                               that require security
                                               clearances are safe for now
                                               as far as outsourcing. That
                                               does not include most of UC.
2007/6/11-12 [Uncategorized] UID:46917 Activity:nil Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2007/6/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46918 Activity:kinda low
6/11    http://CNN.com headline:
        "Terror suspect wins U.S. legal battle"  Ph34r!!!11
          http://www.capsteps.com/sounds/doyoufear.mp3 --/
        \_ Fear?  Fear what?  This is the system working.  The only issue is
           it took so long to work which I consider a real problem.
           \_ that sounds like something a terror suspect would say ...
              \_ or a real american who believes in the us constitution and
                 not just the parts that suit me.
2007/6/11-13 [Industry/Jobs] UID:46919 Activity:nil
6/11    Action Item, Professional Superhero
        http://www.fatalexception.org/action_item.html
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