| WIKI | FAQ | Tech FAQ | |
 http://csua.com/feed/ | |
| ||||||
| 2007/5/30-6/4 [Uncategorized] UID:46790 Activity:nil |
5/30 Thanks for everyone who gave me ideas on the transparent screen
saver thing. -John
\_ What did you settle on?
\_ Nothing yet but I'm looking at the w2k resource kit one Most
of the commercial ones put in their own lock dialogue, which
does not work with the GINA replacement (pGina) that I'm looking
at using. This is for a thoroughly harebrained authentication
project (AD-less offline smart card/cert plus s/key-like plus
online LDAP login on XP-based medical devices) with the weirdest
set of requirements I've ever seen... -John |
| 2007/5/30-6/1 [Uncategorized] UID:46791 Activity:nil |
5/29 Amanda Wenk got a breast reduction: http://i15.tinypic.com/4qyegqe.jpg \_ Get a life: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Amanda_Wenk \_ I think you have her confused with another girl, probably her sister: http://www.csua.org/u/it3 \_ Jesus Christ http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/448243002_0f830ee3f5_o.jpg \_ Oh no! \_ I gotta say, regardless of how hot this girl is or isn't, you guys are creepy. |
| 2007/5/30-6/4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46792 Activity:kinda low |
5/30 Just like we said, Bush refuses to commit to a timeline for
leaving Iraq because he plans to *never* leave:
http://www.csua.org/u/it2
\_ I'm a bleeding heart liberal. I don't think we're ever
leaving Iraq.
\_ We finally left the Philipines, so I wouldn't say never, but...
\_ Right after we leave Bosnia, South Korea, Germany, Britain, and
Japan. I miss any important ones?
\_ Cuba, Hawaii, Utah, Spanish Florida, Texas, Puerto Rico,
The Confederacy...
\_ Thanks, I knew there were a lot more. I was just
thinking more modern times but you added a bunch of
good ones. I'm not sure The South counts but maybe
some people living there would disagree.
\_ If you're gonna count Utah, Hawaii, and Florida, you
may as well count the who dang country.
\_ No, your understanding of history is weak. Utah,
Hawaii, Florida (and Texas) were forcably annexed.
Not true for all of the nation.
\_ Do you really want me to list all of the countries that
\_ Do you really want me to list all of t he countries that
America has stationed troops in where they are no longer there?
Mine is bigger than yours...
America has stationed troops in where they are no longer
there? Mine is bigger than yours...
\_ Oh thank God we actually left more countries than we still
have troops in years or even decades after a conflict has
ended. You had a point?
\_ We'll leave Iraq when the oil is all gone... |
| 2007/5/30-6/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46793 Activity:nil |
5/30 And, yes, Plame was covert.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679
\_ Motd poll:
Bush will pardon Libby: .
\_ not a chance. loyalty only goes up the chain.
\- do you want to bet on this? --psb
\_ US$1 million. Payable 24 hours after GWB leaves
office.
Bush will "sacrifice" Libby: .
Bush will have Libby killed:
Libby who???: . |
| 2007/5/30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46794 Activity:very high 90%like:46797 |
5/30 When did Hillary join the Communist Party?
http://www.timesrecordnews.com/trn/local_news/article/0,1891,TRN_5784_5560488,00.html
\_ Right about the time you applied your mad reading comp skillz to
this article.
\_ So I used a little hyperbole. But at least I can read better
than you.
\_ Let me see if I get your point: any regulation of the Free
Market is Communism?
\_ 'it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one
based on shared responsibility and prosperity.' Sounds
like communism to me. -op
\_ Then you're an idiot. |
| 2007/5/30-6/4 [Recreation/Dating] UID:46795 Activity:low |
5/30 Want lots of nookie? Be either really friendly or really cold:
http://www.csua.org/u/it4
\_ "Lots of partners" != "Lots of nookie"
I bet the reason the really cold people have so many partners is
because no one will stay will them for long.
\_ Technically they only have to stay with you for about an
hour or two. -John
\_ Sad but true: s/hour/minute/
\_ Speak for yourself. -John
\_ I'll let Kinsey speak:
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/ak-data.html
"Length of Coitus:Males:
17.6% of males reported ejaculation less than 2 minutes after intromission
47.6% less than five minutes in coitus in first marriage
22.9% claimed to have lasted 10 or more minutes" |
| 2007/5/30 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46796 Activity:nil |
5/30 Baghdad has always been at war with Oceania:
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5859/previewbustyyounggirls2pn.jpg |
| 2007/5/30-6/4 [Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46797 Activity:high 90%like:46794 |
5/30 When did Hillary join the Communist Party?
http://urltea.com/nwv (timesrecordnews.com)
\_ Right about the time you applied your mad reading comp skillz to
this article.
this article. --scotsman
\_ So I used a little hyperbole. But at least I can read better
than you.
\_ Let me see if I get your point: any regulation of the Free
Market is Communism?
\_ 'it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one
based on shared responsibility and prosperity.' Sounds
like communism to me. -op
\_ Then you're an idiot.
\_ Then you're an idiot. You either have a fundamental
misunderstanding of what Communism is, or you can't
read. Either way, your little jaunt here says that
you're an idiot.
\_ Trying to explain an idiot why he's an idiot is
kind of a waste of time.
you're an idiot. --scotsman
\_ Trying to explain an idiot why he's an idiot is kind
of a waste of time.
\_ I understand what Communism is. I guess you just
can't defend your point. -op
\_ You haven't made a point at all. You've called
\_ I haven't made a point at all. You've called
HRC a member of the Communist Party, with no
basis. You don't do this whole "thinking"
thing too well, do you?
\_ I haven't made a point at all. You've called HRC
a member of the Communist Party, with no basis.
You don't do this whole "thinking" thing too well,
do you?
do you? --scotsman
\_ And you simply call me an idiot. I posted a
quote which is part of why I believe she's
pushing towards a communist agenda. You called
me an idiot again. You'll pardon me if I don't
see this as the height of debate. Oh, and then
more ad hominem. Yawn. -op
Here's another quote:
"Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the
right government policies."
more ad hominem. Yawn. -op Here's another
quote: "Fairness doesn't just happen. It
requires the right government policies."
\_ Explain how that quote is in any way untrue,
or "pushing towards a communist agenda".
Your wink-and-nod approach may win you
points at freerepublic, but you're making
little sense here.
\_ Having the government define
'fairness' and then enforce it
sounds a lot like communism. If
you don't understand, I'm afraid
I can't help.
little sense here. --scotsman
\_ Having the government define 'fairness'
and then enforce it sounds a lot like
communism. If you don't understand, I'm
afraid I can't help.
\_ you're an idiot.
\_ You obviously do not understand what
Communism is, in spite of your earlier
claim. Where is the classless society
or the government ownership of all
means of production? What about the
dictatorship of the proletariat? You\
are not an idiot, you are insane.
\_ Thank you for reminding why I gave $1000 to the HRC for
President campaign. Hint: it isn't because of her political views,
it is because I love watching Freepers squirm.
dictatorship of the proletariat? You
are not an idiot, you are nuts.
\_ tom, you're the idiot. You don't
need this to be part of the CPUSA.
See:
http://www.cpusa.org
See: http://www.cpusa.org
\_ That wasn't my post, idiot. -tom
\_ You still haven't shown where
defining and regulating the
marketplace means that the
government owns the players in
it. You keep talking, yet you
say nothing.
marketplace means owning
the players in it. You keep
talking, yet you say nothing.
--scotsman
\_ My original statement was
about the communist party,
not an academic definition.
Go back to your cage. -op
\_ This doesn't help your
point, as noted below.
\_ From your source:
"All Communists are for socialism, seeing it as a transition stage to
communism, a higher stage of economic, political, and social
development. All socialists arent for communism; some see Communists
as too radical.
Socialism is social ownership of the main means of production
(factories, transportation) and the commanding heights of an economy
(banks and other financial institutions) and runs them in the
interests of the working people, using part of the value that
workers produce to build up the social institutions and benefits
for the whole people."
Is that what you claim that HRC is supporting with her statement?
\_ Thank you for reminding why I gave $1000 to the HRC for President
campaign. Hint: it isn't because of her political views, it is
because I love watching Freepers squirm.
\_ A fool and his money are soon parted.
\_ Funny, my net worth goes up every year.
\_ Are you getting a VIP dinner for that money?
e.g. <DEAD>contribute.hillaryclinton.com/events/paloalto0531.html<DEAD>
\_ I'd rather have $1k than eat dinner with Hillary.
\_ Maybe I read a different article that you did, but Sen. Clinton's
comments suggested to me that she prefers a strongly regulated
market. At most she would be advocating a socialist position, not
a communist position. A communist position would not allow for any
private enterprise.
In addition, it is not at all clear what level of regulation that
Sen. Clinton feels is necessary. She merely states that some add'l
rules are needed to protect workers, &c. In light of Enron, &c.,
one needed not be a socialist to think that perhaps some add'l
regulation or supervision of the market is needed.
Of course, if one were a Ferengi, then perhaps one would not see
any difference between the two b/c either one would prevent you
from maximizing your horde of gold-pressed latium, which would
violate countless rules of acquisition.
violate countless rules of acquisition. And we all know the Rules
of Acquisition are the ultimate way to run a free market b/c they
work so well for the Grand Negus.
work so well for the Grand Negus. -stmg
\_ Regulating markets is not socialism or communism. Until the
government, under the direction of the people, steps into the
marketplace, either as an unfairly subsidized player, or as
a strongarming force to takeover and shut down private players,
it's not socialism. Seriously, everything you add to this
discussion further betrays your misunderstanding of the subject.
--scotsman
\_ Really? I always thought that socialism existed where the
government imposes its judgement in place of what the mkt
under reasonably unrestricted conditions would provide.
But then again everything I know about economics comes from
E120, DS9 episodes and broad generalizations in my Contracts
class, so its not surprising that I'm completely wrong. -stmg
\_ Socialism is where the government/society imposes OWNERSHIP
not judgement. Regulating capitalism is not "socialist".
It's "necessary".
It's "necessary". --scotsman
\_ Is this really true? I was always that Sweden was a
socialist country but they still have private business
over there.
over there. -stmg
\_ Here's a succinct little snippet from a critique
of Swedish Socialism:
http://www.namyth.com/SocialismWORKS!/index.php?sw=Sweden#third_way_home
http://urltea.com/o8e (namyth.com)
Medicine is socialized. Schools are socialized.
The state holds large chunks of the marketplace,
and highly regulates the rest.
I personally believe health care and education
should be considered rights and therefore should
be guaranteed by the state. I also personally
believe that outside of those "common good" bits
of the economy, the government's primary duties
are making sure the marketplace is fair, and that
workers are protected. For that, would you call
me a socialist? Because, really, I'm not.
me a socialist? Because, really, I'm not. --scotsman
\_ They also have some government owned business. But
then, so do we. But actually "socialism" is not as
well defined as the know-it-alls here think. I think
any schemes where the government causes resources
to be redirected to the poor can be classified as
socialist. Countries with high tax rates that provide
lots of public services fit that description
perfectly. It's a matter of degree. Public schools
and libraries ARE socialist institutions. Same with
welfare, medicare, progressive income tax, subsidized
housing projects, food stamps, etc. Government owning
businesses or regulation etc. isn't socialist per se
unless it has socialist goals. (e.g. the gov't could
run the something like the postal service completely
unsubsidized).
\_ Please provide a reference for your know-it-all
definition of "socialism." Preferably one which
includes reference to public libraries being
socialist institutions. -tom
\_ The part after "I think" was merely my opinion.
But some dictionaries and other references will
support my opinion. See:
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9109587/socialism
"there is no precise canon on which the various
adherents of contemporary socialist movements
agree" "property and the distribution of
income are subject to social control rather
than ... market forces" "The uses and abuses
of the word socialism are legion".
Some apply the term interchangeably with
communism. However, in my opinion the term is
most commonly applied today in reference to
"welfare-state" type policies such as those
in Sweden. A public library, ok it's arguable,
but they provide access for the poor to things
the rich can afford to purchase. They take my
tax dollars and buy books for the use of
others.
\_ Okay, so now that you've actually thought
about it, and had your wikipedia brushup,
let's go back to Hilary's quotes. What in
there, without putting words in her mouth,
says "welfare-state"? Though if you think
public libraries are socialistic, there's
really no hope for this discussion.
--scotsman
\_ Hey I just jumped in on this socialism
definition subthread. I wasn't involved
in the HRC stuff. But it is arguable that
"shared responsibility and prosperity"
can imply things like social "safety
nets" and wealth redistribution. How
would you interpret that quote? What
specific political options other than
welfare-state principles would you
infer from that quote? Re: libraries,
\_ As a reassertment of the Social
Contract, a la Rousseau. As a
rejection of the lassaiz-faire
bullshit that Bush et al. espouse.
That we don't change all our
regulations to voluntary guidelines.
That we actually run inspections on
our food supply, workplaces, etc.
That we make decisions rather than
"make reality". --scotsman
\_ You mean we can't count on "The
Invisible Hand" to take care of
everything?!? That sux. He was
my favorite super hero.
I consider them in the same category
as public schools. If they didn't exist,
private citizens could establish their
own libraries either as charity,
private purpose or commercial operations.
Having the government take my money "at
gunpoint" as ilyas liked to say and use
it for a library fits communist views
of the role of government. Note that I
am not arguing about whether they are a
good thing or not.
\_ I don't think I can take credit for
that particular turn of phrase.
-- ilyas
\_ Read Jack London's People of the Abyss
for first-hand accounts of how an
unregulated society treats its poor.
Cf. Low Life, an account of the
history of the poor in NYC around the
same time period. Also review the
plight of shanty-towns in African
countries where industry operates
unregulated. Wealth-based altruism is
nice, but it doesn't work on its own.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=11134
\_ See now, you just admitted "reasonably unrestricted" which
is a fancy way of saying "reasonably restricted" from the
other side. Regulation != communism.
\_ Um, so? My original point was that regulation !=
communism && at most (lots of regulation) == socialism.
\_ Apologies! I must have confused you with op.
\_ Don't you understand, regulating the market is exactly like
building a Gulag and killing millions of people. The SEC
is secretly in the employ of Kim Jong-il. If you believe
otherwise, you are an apologist for Stalinism.
\_ Don't forget the FDA which (until recently) tried to prevent
us from gaining the superhuman strength that Salmonella
confers |
| 2007/5/30-6/1 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:46798 Activity:nil 92%like:46789 |
5/29 http://urltea.com/nx0 (bloomberg.com) "US housing prices decline for first time in 16 years." \_ Congrats! You just discovered the 'Business Cycle'. \_ REAL ESTATE NEVER GOES DOWN! \_ No one with half a brain ever said that. The actual statement is real estate will always go up *over time* and is a good *long term* investment. I hope it makes you feel smart to completely misquote and misrepresent a view you don't agree with and then bash it. That's called a strawman argument. Rhetoric 1A. \_ You may kiss my feet now. -Great Swami \_ for being completely wrong? |
| 2007/5/30-6/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:46799 Activity:nil |
5/29 White house implicity recognizes gay parents:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/images/20070523-4_v052307db-0034jpg-731v.html
(link fixed thanks a lot whoever messed it up). It's a pic of the
Cheneys, the baby, and the caption: "His parents are the Cheneys.
daughter Mary, and her partner, Heather Poe"
\_ I guess they mean "whitehouse" the porn site.
\_ What does this have to do with the White House or whitehouse the
porn site (other than the fact that the pic is porn) or gay parents?
Actual link is this: |