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2007/5/22-24 [Uncategorized] UID:46718 Activity:nil
5/21    Fatwa recommends breast-feeding adult co-workers
        http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1178708655924
        \_ I am coverting to Islam now!
2007/5/22-24 [Computer/HW/IO] UID:46719 Activity:low
5/22    Speaking of Treos, any recommendations for portable keyboards?
        \_ no.  There was a time when ThinkOutside has this triple-fold
           full-size keyboard.  Since then, I couldn't find any keyboard
           that is full-size.  When I say full size, I means 19mm between
           keys.   Most keyboard now are designed by Asians who don't really
            type the way we do... for me, i don't see the point of carrying
           an extra keyboard when it's not full sized.
           \_ hard to beat the cool factor of the I-tech Virtual Laser Keyboard
              http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com
              \_ The cool is undeniable, but what's the typing experience like?
           \_ How do they type?
2007/5/22 [Reference/Religion] UID:46720 Activity:nil 77%like:46727
5/22    We're in trouble:
        http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=329
        The full report shows how many American Muslims think Al Qaeda is just
        fine.
        \_ Go Bush Go!
           \_ ???
           \_ Is that a cheer or a command?
2007/5/22-24 [Consumer/CellPhone, Consumer/PDA] UID:46721 Activity:low
5/22    I'm thinking about getting a PDA phone, specifically the Treo. Is
        there any reason to get the Treo with Windows (700wx) over the Palm
        version (700p)?
        \_ Windows Mobile sucks ass.  inconsistent UI, crashy... just shit.
           though running java apps on palmOS is a pain. --scotsman
        \_ I have the Treo 650p, and I'm immensely happy with it and the OS.
           Have heard horror stories of crashes, lack of connectivity with
           the 700w.
           \_ I'm also a happy 650 PalmOS owner, dreaming of an upgrade to
              680. But if I personally were looking for a Windows based phone
              I'd go with many of the other models that are faster and have
              bigger keyboards and screens.  Oh, and also built-in wifi.
           \_ I've had my Treo 650 (Palm) from the day it came out and I am
              very happy w/ it. The phone rarely crashes (common problem w/
              Win version) and gets fairly good reception. There are hacks
              that allow you to use a SDHC card w/ the 650 which is really
              nice.
              The three things that would make the Treo 650 perfect are (1)
              sd based wifi support; (2) usb 2.0 support; and (3) iTunes
              support/sync (which you can do manually w/ rsync).
              I am seriously considering getting an iPhone b/c I think that
              it will be even better than the Treo.
              \_ I am not yet convinced re: Job's idea that mini-keyboards
                 are bad.  I do a fair amount of typing on my treo and until
                 I get to try out the typing on the iPhone's screen, I will
                 stick with the treo.  And whether or not third party apps
                 are allowed is still up in the air, no?
                 \_ I'm a kool-aid-drinking Mac-a-holic, and when the iPhone
                    was announced, I would have murdered for one. Now, though,
                    prohibition of 3rd party apps is pretty much a deal-killer
                    for me. I'll stick with my Treo 650 until Apple decides to
                    let people develop their own iPhone widgets. -!pp
        \_ Have a Treo 680, and its pretty damn good.
        \_ I'm surprised to see people saying things like the "phone rarely
           crashes" and being happy with that.  Phones should never 'crash'.
           \_ Yes, phones should never crash.  But as it is now, smartphones/
              PDA phones do crash, and I haven't heard of one that *never*
              crashes.  Does that mean I want to wait until all bugs are
              worked out?  My Chatter Email client on my 650 says no.  Will
              that make the vendors think consumers are complacent and not
              work on the problems?  Probably to a degree.  But as people
              start choosing more reliable phones, hopefully manufacturers
              will work on this area more.  In a different light, phones
              shouldn't drop conversations either.  Do you have a wireless
              phone?
2007/5/22-24 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46722 Activity:nil
5/22    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/316612_secondsurge22.html
        Yes, definitely a surge.  Definitely.  Definitely.  Definitely
        not an escalation.  Definitely.
        \_ When do we get another Aircraft Carrier landing?
2007/5/22-24 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:46723 Activity:nil
5/22    Identical Twins sleep with the same woman, neither wants to pay child
        support.
        http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LegalCenter/story?id=3195632&page=1
        \_ "Look, she had a bunch of girlfriends to the rodeo and they got
           drunk and she went banging on Raymon's door trying to have sex,"
           Copeland said. "He says he did reluctantly.but I can't imagine it
           was reluctantly . and that's when the baby was conceived I guess."
           That doesn't sound like judge-talk to me.  She just handed down a
           ruling, and she ended her commend with "I guess."
           \_ It sounds like Judge Judy!
           \_ You ever been in a court?  It sounds just like a judge.  And I
              mean a real court, not watched it on TV.
              \_ I've only been to the Small Claims Court in Oakland once.
                 But the defendant didn't show up, so I won by default and the
                 judge didn't really need to explain his ruling.
2007/5/22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others, Health/Women] UID:46724 Activity:nil 88%like:46728
5/22    Iran beating their women:
        http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/05/my-god-theyre-beating-their-women-to.html
        \_ Obviously we must invade them and convert them to Christianity.
2007/5/22-24 [Reference/Law] UID:46725 Activity:nil 60%like:46700 50%like:46733
5/22    Lurita Doan is GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
        http://www.federaltimes.com/index.php?S=2777859
2007/5/22-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:46726 Activity:low
5/22    Halliburton is *not* the worst company to the public eyes. The
        worst is Wheat Board:
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18805466
        \_ what is wheat board?
           \_ They were apparently involved in the oil-for-food scandal
        \_ Halliburton did what defense related contractors do.  Are you upset
           about the graft and corruption on the ground, at the board level, or
           the no-bid contracts in DC?
           \_ Yes.  A little bit of corruption is fairly inevitable, and a
              natural result of a competitive economy.  The fact that it is
              a culture Halliburton lives in so blatantly is offensive.
2007/5/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:46727 Activity:high 77%like:46720
5/22    We're in trouble:
        http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=329
        The full report shows how many registered Republicans think Al Qaeda
        is just fine.
        \_ Go Bush Go!
           \_ ???
           \_ Is that a cheer or a command?
        \_ http://www.csua.org/u/ir1
           ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!
           \_ I find both of these responses bizarre, as well as the altering
              of the text of the op.  A poll that shows that 5% of American
              muslims think Al Qaeda is A-OK, and 27% decline to answer isn't
              troubling?  Or is worth belittling?  And this was a PEW research
              poll, not Fox News. -emarkp
              \_ 5% is essentially zero in a poll like that.
                 \_ Did you miss the 27% decline to state? That suggests it's
                    higher than 5%.  Furthermore, native-born muslims are more
                    likely to support AQ, with black native-born muslims the
                    most likely. -emarkp
                    \_ On what data are you basing the assumption that
                       "decline to state" == support?
                       \_ Why would you decline to state that you're opposed to
                          Al Qaeda?  Part of it may be the "never criticise a
                          muslim" but what would Mohammad Atta have said?
                          -emarkp
                          \_ I dunno, if I was part of a feared and hated
                             minority and some pollster called me up in the
                             middle of the night to interrogate me about
                             Al Qaido, I might not answer either.  Just
                             a guess, but I don't think "decline to state"
                             can be assumed to be support.
                             \_ How often do pollsters call you in the middle
                                of the night?
             \_ The overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the
                United States in the last thirty years have been by
                Christian terrorist groups. You are worried about the
                wrong group of extremists. But you probably think that
                abortion bombings, like running over cylists, is appropriate.
                \_ Hi anonymous troll!  You're wrong about me (I've never
                   thought abortion bombings or killing abortion doctors was
                   appropriate, and I have only thought "running over cyclists"
                   is appropriate when they're surrounding and/or assaulting
                         \_ So wait, you'd run over an otherwise peaceful
                            group of bikers for simply surrounding your car?
                            I'm not so sure I'd even run over bikers for
                            assaulting my car!  There's a large asymmetry
                            in power if I'm in a car and they're on bikes!
                            Do you think it's appropriate to kick babies who
                            are trying to bite your ankles?  Bikers who
                            assault your car are assaulting your car.
                            Assaulting a biker *with* your car is to risk
                            causing bodily injury to the biker.  Is
                            a possible increase in your car insurance and
                            $500 in deductable a justifiable cause for
                            injuring someone?  I would NOT want that on
                            my conscience.  Further, I'm an athiest--
                            I'm surprised your Mormon conscience allows you
                            to calculate the moral problem the way you do!
                                                           ^ see below, he
                                                           doesn't just mean
                                                           "surrounding" alone.
                   your vehicle).  And I think you're insane to think we face
                   the same risk today from "Christian terrorist groups" as we
                   do from Al Qaeda. -emarkp
                   \_ I recently was at a planned parenthood clinic.
                      Considering the amount of security they had there I
                      suspect that the people who work there take Christian
                      terrorist groups very seriously indeed.
                      Considering the amount of security they had I suspect
                      that the people who work there take Christian terrorist
                      groups very seriously indeed.
                   \_ So wait, you'd run over an otherwise peaceful
                      group of bikers for simply surrounding your car?
                      \_ No. -emarkp
                         \_ But if you happen to be behind a group of them
                            that isn't doing anything at all do you other
                            than making you go slower than you want to,
                            it's OK to run into them intentionally.  Or
                            so emarkp says.  -tom
                            \_ Nope.  If they're agressively stopping traffic,
                               and a driver is in fear of assault, then they
                               should expect to be hit.  Babble your nonsense
                               if you must tom, but don't put words in my
                               mouth.  -emarkp
                               \_ you endorsed the videotaped actions of a
                                  driver who was not in any danger of assault.
                                  Or at least, wasn't in any danger until
                                  he intentionally ran into a bicyclist.  -tom
                                  \_ That was your read of the video.  I
                                     disagreed with your interpretation.
                                     -emarkp
                                     \_ LA LA LA LA LA! THEY WELCOMED US AS
                                        LIBERATORS!  THEY GAVE US THE UNIVERSAL
                                        SIGN OF APPROVAL, THE THUMBS-UP!
                                        THE GOLDEN TABLETS DISAPPEARED!  LA
                                        LA LA LA LA LA!
                  \_ Okay, you think I am insane, I can live with that. If
                     you take out the WTC 9/11 fatalities, which was a one
                     time lucky strike, imo, more people have been actually
                     killed in this country by Christian terrorists than
                     by Al Qaeda. And the number killed by both is so
                     small as to be insignificant. We should focus our
                     time, money and attention on real threats, not bogeymen
                     invented by politicians to scare us into giving them
                     our hard earned tax dollars.
                     \_ If you saw a poll with the same numbers of Christians
                        approving of terrorist groups, would you be concerned?
                        Oh, and speaking of 9/11 did you note the low numbers
                        of muslims believing that 9/11 was committed by
                        muslims? -emarkp
                        \_ What percent of Christians approve of abortion
                           clinic bombings? I am sure it is more than 5%.
                           Yes, I did see the 9/11 numbers and that was
                           more disturbing to me than the ones that concern
                           you.
                           \_ You have a poll to back that up or are you just
                              pulling those numbers out of the air?
                              Considering the juvenile understanding of
                              religion on motd, I'm not surprised at your
                              belief. -emarkp
                            _/
        Googling finds me:
        ""All of the 1985 surveys show condemnation of
        abortion clinic bombings. In the Harris poll,
        81 percent think that such bombings amount
        to terrorism; 83 percent say that such violence
        "is not the American way"; and 71 percent
        say the attacks "are probably being conducted
        by fanatics"; 56 percent do not believe
        that the damage to abortion clinics "is
        minor compared with the fetuses whose lives
        are taken in abortion clinics."
        Eighty-two percent in the CBS News-
        thing as terrorism." Only 14 percent believe
        that "there are a lot of other crimes that are
        just as serious," and just five percent think
        that the bombings "should be treated as a
        forceful kind of political protest" if no one is
        killed or injured.
        Eighty-eight percent in the ABC News
        poll think the clinic attacks are "criminal
        acts"; only 12 percent classlfy them as "civil
        disobedience."
        In the Gallup survey, 95 percent feel that
        bombing clinics hurts the antiabortion cause;
        91 percent believe the same about "destroying
        files and causing other nonviolent disruptions
        at abortion clinics"; but only 54percent
        feel the same way about "personally confronting
        and lecturing pregnant women entering
        abortion clinics" (19 percent, however, have no opinion)."
        (Source: Family Planning Perspectives, Vol. 17, No. 2.
        ""All of the 1985 surveys show condemnation of abortion clinic
        bombings. In the Harris poll, 81 percent think that such bombings
        amount to terrorism; 83 percent say that such violence "is not the
        American way"; and 71 percent say the attacks "are probably being
        conducted by fanatics"; 56 percent do not believe that the damage to
        abortion clinics "is minor compared with the fetuses whose lives are
        taken in abortion clinics." Eighty-two percent in the CBS News- thing
        as terrorism." Only 14 percent believe that "there are a lot of other
        crimes that are just as serious," and just five percent think that the
        bombings "should be treated as a forceful kind of political protest" if
        no one is killed or injured.
        Eighty-eight percent in the ABC News poll think the clinic attacks are
        "criminal acts"; only 12 percent classlfy them as "civil disobedience."
        In the Gallup survey, 95 percent feel that bombing clinics hurts the
        antiabortion cause; 91 percent believe the same about "destroying files
        and causing other nonviolent disruptions at abortion clinics"; but only
        54percent feel the same way about "personally confronting and lecturing
        pregnant women entering abortion clinics" (19 percent, however, have no
        opinion)." (Source: Family Planning Perspectives, Vol. 17, No. 2.
        (Mar. - Apr., 1985), pp. 76-78.)"
        So it actually looks like 12-15 percent support abortion clinic
        So it actually looks like 5-15 percent support abortion clinic
        bombings, or at least do not consider them "terrorism" and another
        19 percent have no opinion. You are worried about the wrong extremists
        if you are really concerned about making America safer and not just
        pushing a misguided GWoT agenda.
        \_ Oh, a poll from 20 years ago.  Well, that settles it. -emarkp
           \_ Do you have more recent information? The ball is in your
              court here to prove that American opinions have significantly
              changed since then. And that was more than one poll, it
              was at least three.
              \_ No, sorry.  We discussed this back in the 80's, and hashed it
                 out.  It's your job to show the danger in the here and now.
                 Go back to your cage. -emarkp
2007/5/22-24 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others, Health/Women] UID:46728 Activity:nil 88%like:46724
5/22    Iran beating their women:
        http://urltea.com/lyp (gatewaypundit.blogspot.com)
        \_ Obviously we must invade them and convert them to Christianity.
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