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2007/5/14-16 [Transportation/Car, Computer/SW/Database, Computer/SW] UID:46615 Activity:nil
5/14    Compare old and new MPG estimates for 2007 and earlier model years:
        http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectYear.jsp
2007/5/14-16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46616 Activity:nil
5/13    Say, speaking of irony, who was head of Public Policy at Chevron when
        it was paying kickbacks to SADDAM under the UN Oil-for-Food program?
        Way to go, Condie!
        http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10741.html
        \_ What's so ironic about members of the Bush administration being
           consistently corrupt?
           \- http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43901
           \_ Does it bother you at all the Pelosi is stuffing public cash
              into her family's businesses?  Or DiFi has been doing the same
              for her husband's?
              \_ Yes, yes, yes, when you have enough evidence, contact your
                 local Bush-appointed US Attorney who will almost certainly
                 leap to indict. Oh, wait, you have no evidence of wrong-
                 doing? Well, don't let that stop you making accusations!
2007/5/14 [Recreation/Humor] UID:46617 Activity:nil
5/13    Why are those GEICO CAVEMAN commercials so funny?
        \_ Looks like I'm not the only one who doesn't get it.  Maybe it's a
           reference to some character in some comic book?
           \_ or SNL's 'Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer' ?   Alas they stopped those
              skits when they lost Phil Hartman.
2007/5/14 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Health/Men] UID:46618 Activity:kinda low
5/14    NSFW. "... who cares what a vagina feels like when you can have your
        hand whenever you want it? However, I do admit that like in the
          \_ The problem with that is I never "want" my hand.
        movie "American Pie," I have used an apple pie to please myself,
        and it felt great! I have also tried using a microwaved banana
        peel, but I liked the apple pie best. "
        http://www.jackinworld.com/qow/q136.html
        \_ I once tried a ripe papaya with the seeds removed.
        \_ Ick.
2007/5/14 [Health/Men] UID:46619 Activity:nil
5/14    Hey psb how big is your penis?
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm
        \_ Why don't you sleep with him to find out?
2007/5/14-16 [Reference/Religion] UID:46620 Activity:nil
5/14    So now that Critical Mass has terrorized moms with kids and elderly
        couples with cerebral palsy, who will be their next target? -emarkp
        \_ pasty computer geeks.
        \_ Mormon necro-converters.
        \_ "So now that Mormons have done <bad thing>, who will be their
           next target?"  "Those [racists|polygamists|slaughterers] were
           not acting under the sanction of the Mormon church.  -emarkp"  -tom
           \_ Problem with that comparison is that CM is a mob, and there are
              some in the mob who are violent, and CM is trying to protect
              them, not expose or eject them. -emarkp
              \_ The SFBC statements after the last psycho motorist incident
                 sound pretty much like Mormon church dissembling.  "They're
                 not really part of us."   -tom
                 \_ Except the LDS church actually excommunicates people, and
                    can document that they aren't part of the group.  So-called
                    "Mormon Fundamentalists" (for instance) have created their
                    own thing. -emarkp
                    \_ Brigham Young got excommunicated?  -tom
                       \_ He didn't break any windshields. -emarkp
                          \_ But he was a racist with 27 wives.  -tom
                             \_ Polygamy was allowed until about 1890. And
                                what he believed about race was pretty
                                mainstream then, and wasn't LDS doctrine.
                                -emarkp
                                \_ great example, thanks.  -tom
                                \_ perfect example, thanks.  -tom
                                   \_ Yes, for your 2nd-grade understanding of
                                      religion, I'm sure it is.  I hope you
                                      learn to manage fractions some day.
                                      -emarkp
                       \_ He was a "foundamentalist."
        \_ I am not a foaming at the mouth Mormon or Romney hater, but
           I think it was weird when he said "polygamy is the worst
           thing I can imagine."  I can imagine a lot worse!
           \_ What does that have to do with Critical Mass? -emarkp
2007/5/14-16 [Transportation/Car] UID:46621 Activity:nil
5/14    I'm strongly considering getting a new VW GTI (based on looks,
        performance, price), but I'm unsure about its long term
        reliability and maintenance costs, as the reason I'm ditching
        my current car is because of very high  maintenance. Does
        anyone have any information on VW's (or a GTI's) reliability
        information? Thanks.
        \_ Needs premium gas.
        \_ I have a GTI, and I'll never buy a VW again.
                \_ Why? Can you explain a little more please? -op
        \_ I know a bunch of people who bought VW.  Every single one
           of them broke down, and most in a major way (tranny gone on
           two, fan coming off shaft, alternator going, etc.).  I
           haven't been in touch with most of them for a while, but
           two of them now drive Honda.  And no, I never had a VW.  I
           drive a Mazda (< 3000 miles per year).  YMMV.
        \_ I owned a VW Golf before my current car. I, too, would never
           buy VW again. Broke down a lot. VW is the auto equivalent of
           IKEA furniture- inexpensive and looks nice, but poorly made and
           not build to last.
        \_ I'm strongly considering getting a new girlfriend (based on looks,
           performance, price), but I'm unsure about her long term
           reliability and maintenance costs, as the reason I'm ditching
           my current g/f is because of very high maintenance. Does
           anyone have any information on a woman's reliability
           information? Thanks.
            \_ STFW for information on that make/model.
        \_ I have a friend w/ a GTI and the routine maintenance is pretty
           expensive. Also everyone I know w/ a VW has had problems w/ the
           electric windows. One guy at work drove around w/ a clear plastic
           bag for his right front window for nearly a year b/c he got tired
           of replacing it whenever electrical failed and the window fell
           into the door.
        \_ Check out the April issue of Consumer Reports.  Volkswagen is pretty
           much the bottom of the barrel reliability wise, along with Mercedes.
2007/5/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46622 Activity:nil
5/14    Who will the crazed motorists run over next? Oh, that's right,
        they run over pedestrians and bicyclists today and every day.
2007/5/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46623 Activity:nil 75%like:46628
5/14    The anti-mormon's on the motd need get fucking lives. -aspo
        \_ They've got to aspolito!
2007/5/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46624 Activity:nil
5/14    The Mormon Necro unit would be a great unit in your
        favorite RTS
2007/5/14-16 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:46625 Activity:nil
5/14    One danger of tabbed-browsing in IE7
        http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/24.66.html#subj6
2007/5/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46626 Activity:low
5/14    How do I sign up for post-death Mormonism?
        Ebay?
        \_ It is automatic, unless you have a Jewish sounding name in which
           case they will do a more thorough research before adding you
           on the list. By the way I wonder if the LDS has a list of
           people in China. They can probably increase their membership 10X.
        \_ Don't worry, we'll get to you eventually. -emarkp
2007/5/14-16 [Reference/BayArea] UID:46627 Activity:low
5/14    vid of Critical Mass vs minivan in Berkeley.
        I assume jnat took this:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUoUF1JrS98
        \_ The voice sounds like him.  -tom
           \_ And what an idiot.  It's clear that the van is trying to escape
              from the mob at this point, while the video labels it as "the
              attack".  Lesson learned.  Carry a gun while riding through SF or
              Berkeley so you can defend yourself against these nutjobs.
              -emarkp
              \- eping: i encourage you to drive around SF and
              \- epong: i encourage you to drive around SF and
                 especially Berkeley armed. if it is not illegal
                 for me to do so, i will make a donation to the mormon
                 church for every critical mass person you beat down.--psb
                 \_ It's "emarkp", and I plan to if I ever go there again.
                    Though they're both such driver-hostile towns I hate
                    driving there. -emarkp
                    \- oh somebody else told me to call you eping, so
                    \- oh somebody else told me to call you epong, so
                       you have been "converted"
                       \_ I don't know who told you that, but I never asked to
                          be called that. -emarkp
                 \_ You can carry a gun legally in your car in CA as long as it
                    is not loaded or concealed.  If you have a CCW, you can
                    carry legally, concealed and loaded. -emarkp
                    \- yes i know but frankly i'm not really interested in
                       your legal exposure. just how much it will cost me
                       based on your volume of beatdowns. --psb
                       \_ Ah, I misread your post. -emarkp
              \_ Yeah that video was pretty lame... these idiots stuff their
                 bikes all around his car and... what, put little kids in front
                 of his bumper? I don't understand the crying kids. They were
                 probably just upset about the bikers yelling and swearing. So
                 of course the cameraman gratuitously films them... lol
                 http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=5301410
             \_ Why carry a gun, emarkp, why not just run someone over, like
                you car drivers do every single day in San Francisco? How many
                people have cyclists killed or injured in the last decade? How
                many have cyclists? If you are planning on assaulting someone,
                please stay in your own town and commit crimes. We don't
                want you here. -ausman
                 \_ USE LINUX!  RIDE BIKE!   SMASH KIDS!
2007/5/14 [Uncategorized] UID:46628 Activity:nil 75%like:46623
5/14    The anti-mormons on the motd need get fucking lives. -aspo
        \_ They've got to aspolito!
           \_ And they've inserted a spurious apostrophe!
            \_ Eeek!  I'm embarassed.  -aspo
2007/5/14-16 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:46629 Activity:nil
5/14    I've started getting into biking recently and started looking
        around at the types of bikes out their in the market. One
        thing I've noticed was that there were these super-expensive
        high-end bikes like Look and Cervelo that looked pretty advanced
        and would empty out your wallet in no time. Many of them had
        the triathlon geometry. Why is it that people like Lance
        Armstrong opt for more conventional bikes like Trek road
        bikes. It seems like someone with so much riding on the line
        would go for something ridiculously expensive but his bike
        isn't even a time-trial bike.
        \_ 1) doesn't Lance have different bikes for different stages?
           2) Lance opts for Trek because Trek pays Lance and makes
              whatever he tells them to make (at least for geometry etc)
        \_ Tri bikes are set up to be aerodynamic and use different muscle
           groups.  They aren't the best for hills or manueverability. Same
           goes for trial bikes.  -scottyg
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        \_ Professional cyclists at that level are constrained in their
           choice of equipment by their governing body, Union Cycliste
           Internationale (UCI).  They're allowed to use more aerodynamic
           bikes in time trials than they are in massed start road races.
           The bikes used in time trials use similar setups to those used
           by triathletes, while those used in massed start road races are
           what you're probably thinking of.  UCI has a long history of
           changing the rules about what's legal (or not) to suit the desires
           of its sponsors (the big companies in the bike industry).  Bikes
           used in triathlons are governed by ITU rules, which aren't as
           backward, but maintain a similarly narrow definition of what
           constitutes a bicycle.  If you're not planning on racing, then
           get whatever you enjoy riding (for me, that's a recumbent -- banned
           by UCI since 1934).                          --alawrenc
2007/5/14-16 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Bicycle] UID:46630 Activity:high
5/14    Hey, Mark is this you running over cyclists?
        http://www.csua.org/u/ip2
        \_ Of course not.  Though this is utterly predictable, and I wouldn't
           have a problem defending that person.  Being attacked like that in a
           mob, I think it's reasonable to flee to safety, and CM's total
           disregard for laws seems to remove them from the safety of law.
           Amusingly, I've biked or bussed for most of the last 10 years.  It's
           not cyclists I have a problem with (I am one), it's the CM mob.
           -emarkp
           \_ Actually, it looks like the car driver hopped a curb to
              deliberately provoke a confrontation with the cyclists.
              Isn't that how you see it?
           \_ Your complete insistence on ignoring evidence to fit your world
              view is incredible.  This video does not show bikes breaking any
              laws at all, and they're not even blocking the car; he just
              intentionally ran into a legitimate road user because he
              wanted to.  To defend actions such as that is completely
              ridiculous.  -tom
              \_ Again we have an edited video. The car hopped a curb, but it's
                 unclear what caused it.  The lane on the other side of the
                 median is going the other way, so it wasn't just driving down
                 the lane and suddenly decided to jump the median.  My guess
                 would be that it swerved to avoid a bike or turned into the
                 lane wide to avoid a bike and was pissed at the cyclists.  But
                 that's just a guess.  Tom will jump in with a guess that he'll
                 declare to be The Truth, but of course we don't know without
                 the full story. -emarkp
                 \_ Your complete insistence on ignoring evidence to
                    fit your world view is incredible.  This video
                    does not show bikes breaking any laws at all, and
                    they're not even blocking the car; he just
                    intentionally ran into a legitimate road user
                    because he wanted to.  To defend actions such as
                    that is completely ridiculous.  -tom
                 \_ So he was clearly not "fleeing to safety" right? I think
                    we can at least agree on that, right? Go back to 00:32
                    in the video and tell me again how the car driver was
                    fleeing for safety.
                    \_ Note that the driver is trying to get out of the way of
                       ONCOMING TRAFFIC.  I don't know how it got there, nor do
                       you.  But it was trying to get out of the way of a car
                       coming right at it. -emarkp
                       \_ And then it was stuck behind some bicylists, so
                          clearly "fleeing to safety" by running over them.
                          Wow, you really do have an odd worldview...
              \_ So these cyclists are hogging the entire road for no reason
                 other than to slow down traffic (thus being assholes) and
                 you think it's the car provoking a confrontation? Then the
                 guy runs over and props his bike against the car's front
                 you think it's the car provoking a confrontation? Then a
                 guy runs there and props his bike against the car's front
                 bumper and acts surprised when it gets run over.
                 \_ They're not slowing down traffic, they *are* traffic.  -tom
                    \_ ^traffic^other traffic
                       \_ how does that modification change anything?  Traffic
                          always slows down other traffic; certianly Critical
                          Mass slows down other traffic a lot less than a
                          similar number of cars does.  -tom
                          \_ Maybe but so what? They are moving slower than
                             the cars, purposefully taking up all the lanes...
                             basically inconveniencing people just to "make
                             a statement" (which is what?) They are there
                             basically for the express purpose of annoying the
                             car drivers.
                             \_ Critical Mass doesn't have an "express"
                                purpose for anything.  I think most people
                                who do it do it because riding in a big
                                group with loud music is fun.  -tom
                  \_ This is typical car driver attitude: anything in front
                     of me going slower than me is "provoking a confrontation"
                     with me. Unfortunately, many people are killed and
                     maimed every day because of this hostile, selfish and
                     immature attitude on the part of automobile drivers.
                     It does not matter who or what is in front of them:
                     another car, a cyclist or a pedestrian, if they are
                     in the drivers way, they are "provoking" them.
                     \_ Actually the average driver is not hostile but
                        apathetic and just trying to get somewhere.  CM is
                        hostile and childish and looking for confrontations.
                        If it keeps up expect to see the PD coming down on
                        them for everything in the book starting with the
                        red light violations.
                        \_ It is the apathetic drivers that run over pedestrians
                           and cylists every single day in San Francisco? Good
                           to know they are not angry when they do it, just
                           indifferent. And if you think the automobile holds
                           the balance of political power in Berkeley and
                           indifferent. And if you think the automobile drivers
                           hold the balance of political power in Berkeley and
                           San Francisco, you haven't been paying attention.
                     \_ No, it doesn't extend to "anything in front".
                        Nice strawman.
                        \_ You obviously have never tried driving the
                           speed limit in the fast lane.
                           \_ Why would I do that?
                              \_ Oh, I don't know, maybe because that is
                                 what is legal, perhaps. Maybe because you
                                 might want to see first hand the maniacal
                                 hostility of your fellow drivers, which the
                                 rest of us have to put up with every single
                                 day.
2007/5/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46631 Activity:high
5/14    I hear there are soldiers captured in Iraq by Al Qaeda.  But Barbara
        Boxer and Nancy Pelosi tell me that Al Qaeda isn't in Iraq, and that
        the war in Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terroism.  How can
        that be?
        \_ Al Qaeda out-sourced the jobs to Iraq amid rising health-care costs
           and growing influences from labor unions in Afghanistan.
           \_ Few jobs are harder than being a strike breaker in Afghanistan.
              The last I heard the strike breakers went on strike due to low
              wages and poor health care plans.
        \_ What else do the voices in your head tell you?
           \_ Which part do you think are voices in my head?
              \_ You have a URL where Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi tell you
                 this right?
                 \_ Here's Pelosi:
   http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pelosi_Its_sad_Bush_blaming_Iraqi_1128.html
                    http://urltea.com/k25 (rawstory.com)
                    \_ But wait, you said Pelosi told you that there were
                       no Al Qaeda in Iraq, but she says that they are there.
                       Are you hallucinating again?
                       \_ House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told
                          reporters on Wednesday that she feels it is "sad"
                          that President Bush continues to blame Iraqi
                          insurgent violence on al Qaeda.

                          "My thoughts on the president's representations are
                          well-known," Pelosi said. "The 9/11 Commission
                          dismissed that notion a long time ago and I feel sad
                          that the president is resorting to it again."
                          \_ "What proportion of the Sunni resistance do you
                              think al Qaeda in Iraq is responsible for? It's
                              a handy tag, but in reality is it 10 percent,
                              50 percent of what we would loosely call Sunni
                              resistance or insurgency?" -Pelosi
                              You really have a reading comprehension problem.
                              \_ No, that was the question a reporter asked the
                                 spokesman.  I think you have the problem.
                                 \_ Fair enough, but you still haven't given
                                    me a quote where Pelosi denies the
                                    existence of Al Qaeda in Iraq.
                                    \_ Try reading.
                                        \_ I read the article, it says we
                                           shouldn't blame the violence on
                                           Al Queda because most of it is
                                           sectarian.  How is it possible to
                                           interpret Pelosi's statement
                                           and come out with "there is no Al
                                           Queda" in Iraq? Show us your balloon
                                           animal twisting skills ...
                    And Boxer:
                    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/21/lkl.01.html
                    \_ Where exactly does she say that there are no Al Qaeda
                       in Iraq?
                       \_ "I think the reason so many of us feel strongly that
                       we need to change what's going on in Iraq is, we need to
                       free up some resources to get back to getting al Qaeda.
                       You know, the other side keeps saying the war on terror
                       is the war in Iraq. Not true."
                          we need to change what's going on in Iraq is, we need
                          to free up some resources to get back to getting al
                          Qaeda.  You know, the other side keeps saying the war
                          on terror is the war in Iraq. Not true."
                          \_ that doesn't say there are no al qaeda in Iraq.
        \_ I think fuckers have kidnapped our soldiers.  Do I think it's
           "al-queda"?
        \_ I think fuckers have kidnapped our soldiers.  Do I think it's "al-queda"?
           Doubt it.  Al-Queda would have thought a less stupid name than
           "Al-queda in Iraq".  It's probably Shiites or Sunnis who ALREADY
           LIVED IN IRAQ WHO HATED EACH OTHER FOR DECADES BUT SADDAM KEPT
           THEM QUIET.  fuck.
           THEM QUIET.  fuck.  I wish the Mormon Necro-Bot would lay waste
           to the Sunni Triangle.
           \_ Saddam didn't 'keep them quiet'.  He butchered them but you knew
              that, trollboy.
        \_ If the difference between Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda in Iraq confuses
           you, you probably missed the variable declarations. Research harder.
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